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RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - tyresmoke - 18 Feb 2016

2805 on 15s this evening. 1486 out on 7A tonight


Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Davie - 19 Feb 2016

6 branded Sapphire E400 - 23


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - omnicity4659 - 19 Feb 2016

(18 Feb 2016, 6:47 pm)mb134 Think I'd still go with the E400, the last time I saw one of the 'Pronto' vehicles, it looked like it wanted to just give up,

Though I agree, Arriva need to take a serious look at the X21/22 stock, Streetlites have been on there for the past three days (and more than one on each day, according to posts on here), which is unacceptable.

Ashington are back at square one with these stupid E400s, approaching 1 1/2 years since the problems started. Thank goodness that there is similar spec vehicles that can be used to keep the service with the standard of WiFi.

The X20 should be fully MAX until tomorrow, after the free vouchers are no longer valid, sadly over the last couple of weeks, this means that long-haul services like the X15/8 suffer when they want a full MAX allocation on the X20.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - biglugs@yahoo.com - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 12:31 pm)Davie 6 branded Sapphire E400 - 23

Oh dear what is on the 6 1595?


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - South Tyne Lad - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 12:31 pm)GX03 SVC Ashington are back at square one with these stupid E400s, approaching 1 1/2 years since the problems started. Thank goodness that there is similar spec vehicles that can be used to keep the service with the standard of WiFi.

The X20 should be fully MAX until tomorrow, after the free vouchers are no longer valid, sadly over the last couple of weeks, this means that long-haul services like the X15/8 suffer when they want a full MAX allocation on the X20.


Is it the Engines that are playing up? The Euro 4 Cummins in the 57s are rubbish at Heavy Demanding work ( Which most have done all their lives )
The Euro 5s are however a lot more Robust and can handle anything.


Is that why DAFs have been sighted on the X18 recently?


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Andreos1 - 19 Feb 2016

(18 Feb 2016, 5:28 pm)Cock Robin 1105, 1561,4513 all on 63s.

1105 was on 64s earlier.

Noted an X3/X4 branded vehicle approaching Greytones Roundabout about 15mins after you posted this.
No idea if it was the same one.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Stuartphin1639 - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 12:39 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com Oh dear what is on the 6 1595?

Well it's not 1479 as that's on the 7 along with 1522

1523 been missing for the last couple of days


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - mb134 - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 12:31 pm)GX03 SVC Ashington are back at square one with these stupid E400s, approaching 1 1/2 years since the problems started. Thank goodness that there is similar spec vehicles that can be used to keep the service with the standard of WiFi.

The X20 should be fully MAX until tomorrow, after the free vouchers are no longer valid, sadly over the last couple of weeks, this means that long-haul services like the X15/8 suffer when they want a full MAX allocation on the X20.

I think its time for Arriva to bite the bullet and buy 9 brand new E400's for the X21/22, to go alongside 7522-8. These reliability issues will just get worse as the 57-reg ones get older (if they're this bad at 8 years old, imagine them in a couple of years!), and that isn't great for a 'premium' service is it?!

It's also time for Arriva to buy vehicles suited to the routes they'll be allocated to. Lets not forget that, soon after the E400's were bought for the X31/2/3, 10+ year old Olympians were still appearing at a higher frequency than they should have been, and for a year or two prior to their withdrawal, they made up pretty much the full allocation.

Oh, and for anyone who doesn't think the X21/22 justifies brand new vehicles, I suggest you take a ride on any of the peak time runs, and try to find a seat.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Jimmi - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 2:24 pm)mb134 I think its time for Arriva to bite the bullet and buy 9 brand new E400's for the X21/22, to go alongside 7522-8. These reliability issues will just get worse as the 57-reg ones get older (if they're this bad at 8 years old, imagine them in a couple of years!), and that isn't great for a 'premium' service is it?!

It's also time for Arriva to buy vehicles suited to the routes they'll be allocated to. Lets not forget that, soon after the E400's were bought for the X31/2/3, 10+ year old Olympians were still appearing at a higher frequency than they should have been, and for a year or two prior to their withdrawal, they made up pretty much the full allocation.

Oh, and for anyone who doesn't think the X21/22 justifies brand new vehicles, I suggest you take a ride on any of the peak time runs, and try to find a seat.

Thought it was a bit silly to put 7 year old buses on a 'premium quality' branded service.

The thing with passenger numbers on the X21/X22 is it probably does very well on the peak time runs but it doesn't seem to carry as much out of peak times based on my experiences of the services, in fact in my experiences of off peak X21/X22's the journeys have often carried less passengers between Newcastle and Ashington than the Sapphire 7 often carries just between Darlington Town Centre and Harrowgate Hill. Mind the same could probably be said for the likes of the X7/X8, X10/X11 and the 308.

The fact that there isn't really anything in the way of appropriate spares for the route doesn't really help matters either, don't know what's worse, a double decker with non of the additional features of the Sapphire buses but has enough seats to carry the passengers or putting the 35 branded StreetLite's on with some of the advertised features but less seats with passengers on the 35/35A getting older lower specification as a result of being allocated elsewhere.

The other issue is where would the Enviro 400's go if they were to take them off the X21/X22? Especially with money being spent on them being refurbished to Sapphire specification.

As much as it is a terrible situation, I think it's just going to continue for a while longer, as I can't see them being taken off the X21/X22 anytime soon. In fact, I think if any service currently in the Sapphire brand within the North East is to receive more new Enviro 400's, it will be the 7.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - mb134 - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 2:46 pm)Jimmi Thought it was a bit silly to put 7 year old buses on a 'premium quality' branded service.

The thing with passenger numbers on the X21/X22 is it probably does very well on the peak time runs but it doesn't seem to carry as much out of peak times based on my experiences of the services, in fact in my experiences of off peak X21/X22's the journeys have often carried less passengers between Newcastle and Ashington than the Sapphire 7 often carries just between Darlington Town Centre and Harrowgate Hill. Mind the same could probably be said for the likes of the X7/X8, X10/X11 and the 308.

The fact that there isn't really anything in the way of appropriate spares for the route doesn't really help matters either, don't know what's worse, a double decker with non of the additional features of the Sapphire buses but has enough seats to carry the passengers or putting the 35 branded StreetLite's on with some of the advertised features but less seats with passengers on the 35/35A getting older lower specification as a result of being allocated elsewhere.

The other issue is where would the Enviro 400's go if they were to take them off the X21/X22? Especially with money being spent on them being refurbished to Sapphire specification.

As much as it is a terrible situation, I think it's just going to continue for a while longer, as I can't see them being taken off the X21/X22 anytime soon. In fact, I think if any service currently in the Sapphire brand within the North East is to receive more new Enviro 400's, it will be the 7.
I know it was half term this week, but on Monday I used the X21 for only the third time since December, and the amount of passengers surprised me. It would have been the 14:54 from Newcastle, and when I boarded in Bedlington, both decks were at least half full.

In my view, they could use the ones that have less problems as spares, however I've got no clue where the worst ones (7501/4 seem to be the main culprits) would go.

In my experiences, peak time on the X21/22 starts earlier and finishes later than most other services. The amount of passengers that get on/off in Bedlington in peak time surprised me, although I guess that is down to the fact most residents there commute to Newcastle to work, with very little on offer in the town itself?


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Jimmi - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 2:59 pm)mb134 I know it was half term this week, but on Monday I used the X21 for only the third time since December, and the amount of passengers surprised me. It would have been the 14:54 from Newcastle, and when I boarded in Bedlington, both decks were at least half full.

In my view, they could use the ones that have less problems as spares, however I've got no clue where the worst ones (7501/4 seem to be the main culprits) would go.

In my experiences, peak time on the X21/22 starts earlier and finishes later than most other services. The amount of passengers that get on/off in Bedlington in peak time surprised me, although I guess that is down to the fact most residents there commute to Newcastle to work, with very little on offer in the town itself?

Hmm... I don't think many people would want to vist Bedlington and Ashington who don't live or know people who live there, especially as there isn't that much on offer to see in those places that couldn't be gotten elsewhere, mainly in regards to shopping and such. This is probably why it's been deserted when I've been using the services as I imagine most of the passengers would be heading in the opposite direction to me, at 10am more passengers are probably heading into Newcastle than there would be from Newcastle.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Lee - 19 Feb 2016

1517 & 1595 on the Sapphire 6. Smile Exclamation


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - John_R - 19 Feb 2016

(18 Feb 2016, 7:33 pm)Stuartphin1639 Eventually replaced 2843

In other news 1906 could have spent it's last day in Darlington today (will confirm tomorrow) as it was replaced by 1414 on the 12/12A around 3pm

1906 must have been out in service this morning, as it was driven back to Faverdale by a fitter at around 11am.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Kuyoyo - 19 Feb 2016

1512 replaced 1404 on X66/X67 earlier. 1404 is now on 17s


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Lee - 19 Feb 2016

1479 on the Sapphire 7. Cool Exclamation


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Stuartphin1639 - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 3:47 pm)John_R 1906 must have been out in service this morning, as it was driven back to Faverdale by a fitter at around 11am.

Ah that explains why 4809/10 were on the 12/12A


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Davie - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 3:46 pm)Lee 1517 & 1595 on the Sapphire 6. Smile Exclamation
Meanwhile 7521? Was on the 48.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - DanPicken - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 3:47 pm)Kuyoyo 1512 replaced 1404 on X66/X67 earlier. 1404 is now on 17s

Me and Davie saw 1404 on the X67 earlier heading to Darlington.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - Kuyoyo - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 4:34 pm)DanPicken Me and Davie saw 1404 on the X67 earlier heading to Darlington.

It was taken off the X66 at 1422. It then replaced something on the 17 that left Kingsmead at 1414 (en-route breakdown as it arrived in Middlesbrough 20-ish late) then worked the 1530 to Sober Hall.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - February 2016 - BusLoverMum - 19 Feb 2016

(19 Feb 2016, 4:09 pm)Davie Meanwhile 7521? Was on the 48.

It was on the 6, this afternoon, so back to normal.