(29 Mar 2014, 10:23 pm)robisdave wrote Any reason why we are wasting mileage and money by running service 5 through to Easington ( from Middlesbrough) on an evening when there is a perfectly acceptable and reliable local service, provided by Redcar and Cleveland Council, paid for by it's residents? Makes sense to terminate the 5 trips at Guisbborough and let those that want to travel through use the service so provided.

(30 Mar 2014, 12:34 am)aureolin wrote Doesn't help Arriva's customers with their multi trip products, does it? Good on Arriva I say.

(29 Mar 2014, 10:41 pm)robisdave wrote Same as the connections don't work between the 5 and 4 ? I've tried talking to Arriva but seemingly it's not an issue?

(30 Mar 2014, 12:37 pm)robisdave wrote And before anyone says it can't work or isn't possible then I'll just go back to the time when we had real bus services but driven by greed and shareholders. Four services used to connect at Skelton, serving all of East Cleveland. The timetables were such that you got from one service across to another with no delays. There was odd times when certain services could be s few minutes late but the rules were that drivers waited until every service was present. It wouldn't work now of course because guaranteed punctuality and reliability are a thing of the past along with tthe imagination of just how things could work.

(30 Mar 2014, 2:19 pm)VolvoMarkII wrote Let me guess, another person stuck in 1985?

Until people wake up and realise that the days of buses to everywhere and anywhere, running all hours is gone, there is no point trying to explain.

Put it this way, there are a lot less passengers around these days, especially as car ownership has soared in the past 25 years.
Traffic on our roads is higher now than any other time in history.

Yet, with those two points, people still think buses should run all day, at unrealistic frequencies, to carry fresh air, but also with the added requirement to float over the traffic to maintain timetables.

A business is a business, doesn't matter what the product is. A business is there to make money. Nobody has a given right to a bus service, so if you have one, be thankful for what you have.

It will never go back into public hands, as the cost is disproportionate to the demand.

If demand existed, the same level of services would exist.

(30 Mar 2014, 2:44 pm)robisdave wrote No one here is living in 1985 ! That's for sure.
I understand perfectly how the bus operators manage and do what they can with what they've got, the situations they face and demands required. Sometimes, quite frankly I don't really care what happens where for so long I get where I need to be; I'm pleased in that respect that I no longer have to rely on them to commute. We are lucky in our area to have the
provision that we have, my friend in Halifax, for example, tells me they have no services at all on an evening and weekend? I can't really see that being completely accurate but then I could live in North Yorkshire, where I would need a car. So yes I do see the bigger picture and it nice, useful, whatever to have these conversations to hear what others think.

(30 Mar 2014, 4:11 pm)robisdave wrote Anyone know if Redcar have managed to get their 2 B7TL's running properly on the X93? I'd like 2 try and pencil in a journey this week, see how they perform so any heads up will be appreciated.

(30 Mar 2014, 5:13 pm)robisdave wrote Your the one that works for the company, albeit not at Redcar. If ever the 81/81a requires complete PVR Decker allocation then it's only something that whoever does the allocation knows? It could be something to do with keeping the best buses for the Redcar drivers or there could even be s logical reason? I know I'm not travelling until I know it's a B7TL! Not getting a sore **** riding on s Temsa!

(30 Mar 2014, 5:33 pm)robisdave wrote Nothing Redcar do makes sense apart from this business of allocating the worst buses to Whitby. I would say that the entire operation should work out of your depot but guess there are complications on that front?

(30 Mar 2014, 5:53 pm)robisdave wrote Can see that about your depot now? Passed by y'day on way to Darlo. Are the X4/4's operated throughout by Whitby staff? Just wondered if they maybe changed over at Redcar hence the need to keep the Redcar drivers sweet with Pulsars?

(30 Mar 2014, 6:13 pm)robisdave wrote The sheer logistics of keeping the Whitby out-station/operation must be a blight on revenue? The constant changing of vehicles fir example? As we've said 7494 was there the one day (that I know of) then back at Redcar the next day and this must happen regularly as I travel into M'bro service 5 and X93 hardly see the same fleet 2 days running? You expect this at depots like yours but the dead mileage has gotta be high? Obviously the operation can't be closed down - I'm sure Arriva would like this- but operation of the short X93's, town service and now the park and ride must preclude this?

(30 Mar 2014, 3:41 pm)Tom wrote Out of interest, is the X4/X5 busy at peak times between Qourum and Newcastle? If so, how do the Commanders cope?

(30 Mar 2014, 7:54 pm)robisdave wrote Just been looking at the latest fleet news? Why do all these seemingly pointless transfers between Redcar and Whitby? Scanias 4648 etc move Whitby to Redcar but still operate x93? Pulses 1438 - 40 go Redcar to Whitby yet will work Redcar based duties. There is then the mystery of the E400's and now B7TL's which find themselves on Redcar operated 81/81A's. As for the Temsa's? Well anything seems to happen there!

(30 Mar 2014, 8:06 pm)robisdave wrote Crazy really but think I understand? I'm sure as drivers you find it as equally baffling? Question now is Will I need a cushion or a book when I go out for the X93 in the morning?

(30 Mar 2014, 8:56 pm)robisdave wrote Just s thought before I get off? Unrelated and probably in the wrong place but I did pick up on something related to the late Moorsbus someplace else in the forum and just wondered if anyone had any updates / anything to add?