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RE: Trespassing - Malarkey - 08 Nov 2013
I bumped into Gary Devlin earlier on at Gateshead and we both took a photo of a Nexus Solo SR on the 93, and the woman who I mentioned Yesterday came over from out of no where and asked us we had permission etc and started banging on about Health and Safety, Baring in mind we were both standing on the Pavement on the Concourse next to the Quaylink stand not doing any harm. I didn't say anything but Gary had a go at her as she was quite aggressive in her tone of voice. She decided to go inside the Bus Station and stand literally right behind us on the opposite side of the Glass, so we moved a little bit further along so that she couldn't see us as there was a Post in the way. We stopped there talking for a good 20-25 Minutes and she didn't move an inch. She was still there when I came back after going to Tesco to get a few bits and bobs, Which would of meant she hadn't moved for about an Hour.
RE: Go North East - Latest - R838PRG - 14 Nov 2013
See we've had another idiot spoiling it for enthusiasts by going into no go areas for photos!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bazza90/10861004696/
RE: Go North East - Latest - stagecoachbusdepot - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:07 pm)R838PRG wrote See we've had another idiot spoiling it for enthusiasts by going into no go areas for photos!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bazza90/10861004696/
This is a better shot of it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77351420@N04/10855369733/
The side looks good but the lack of anything on the front panel or the bit of it that bends round to the front side makes it look like they missed a bit!
Re: RE: Go North East - Latest - Adrian - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:07 pm)R838PRG wrote See we've had another idiot spoiling it for enthusiasts by going into no go areas for photos!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bazza90/10861004696/
It would seem he's not the only one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77351420@N04/10855369733/
RE: Go North East - Latest - R838PRG - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:18 pm)aureolin wrote It would seem he's not the only one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77351420@N04/10855369733/
Yes but that is clearly taken from 58 stop the first link has been taken from a non public area and nexus are getting annoyed at bus spotters in Gateshead going where they should not.
RE: Go North East - Latest - Rapidsnap - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:18 pm)aureolin wrote It would seem he's not the only one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77351420@N04/10855369733/
I cannot see anything wrong with this photo. It was clearly taken from the pavement rather then dancing about in the middle of the road like a complete loon.
RE: Go North East - Latest - tyresmoke - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:18 pm)aureolin wrote It would seem he's not the only one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77351420@N04/10855369733/
Think you'll find that one was taken from the pathway at the stand where the 58 picks up. The Exif data gives a focal length of 48mm as opposed to just 7.8mm for the 'other' shot, not to mention the different angles.
Re: RE: Go North East - Latest - Adrian - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:29 pm)R838PRG wrote Yes but that is clearly taken from 58 stop the first link has been taken from a non public area and nexus are getting annoyed at bus spotters in Gateshead going where they should not.
'should not' being the entire bus station, as photography is in all Nexus bus stations prohibited?
RE: Go North East - Latest - atlantean542 - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:18 pm)aureolin wrote It would seem he's not the only one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77351420@N04/10855369733/
This photo looks more likely to have been taken from the 58 stand where it looks over to there.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99435494@N02/
RE: Go North East - Latest - gtom - 14 Nov 2013
This again?
As my politics professor used to say 'same old shit'
RE: Go North East - Latest - R838PRG - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:31 pm)aureolin wrote 'should not' being the entire bus station, as photography is in all Nexus bus stations prohibited?
is it? that will be a real bummer to some people if enforced as some virtually live in Gateshead bus station day in day out
RE: Go North East - Latest - Rapidsnap - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:31 pm)aureolin wrote 'should not' being the entire bus station, as photography is in all Nexus bus stations prohibited?
I went on the internet and I found this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aureolindn/9322071038/
Re: RE: Go North East - Latest - Adrian - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:34 pm)R838PRG wrote is it? that will be a real bummer to some people if enforced as some virtually live in Gateshead bus station day in day out
It is enforced to some degree. There's days I've seen people pulled right left and centre, and others when they've been completely ignored. I've got a big email chain somewhere from Nexus confirming it, from when I questioned their policy.
Re: RE: Go North East - Latest - Adrian - 14 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:36 pm)GMitchelhill wrote I went on the internet and I found this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aureolindn/9322071038/
Let's just say taking that photo is what led me to contact Nexus to question what their policy was.
RE: Go North East - Latest - Rapidsnap - 15 Nov 2013
I found the best policy is to keep moving or stay out of sight. Always be aware of your surroundings too.
RE: Go North East - Latest - Dan - 15 Nov 2013
(15 Nov 2013, 12:35 am)GMitchelhill wrote I found the best policy is to keep moving or stay out of sight. Always be aware of your surroundings too.
I'd personally prefer Nexus to know I'm in the bus station just for safety reasons and the like?
Can't just be me - if I'm at one spot in a bus station and a Nexus supervisor knows I'm there, s/he will be keeping an eye out for me. If they think I'm in any danger whatsoever, they will ask me to move elsewhere.
Regarding the photos, as aureolin says, bus station photography is all prohibited. We've all taken at least one photo in a bus station so I don't think any of the photographers on here can play the innocent card.
In Gateshead, you are allowed to take photos next to the grit box (where buses depart the station) and the corner nearby the Saltwell Park stand.
Are both photos not as bad as each other therefore? I remember when I first started taking photos last year, I used to go to that little layover all the time because there weren't any notices which suggested I could not take photographs there... Maybe a little effort from Nexus to put up a few signs etc would go a long way?
It's certainly not the first time people have taken photographs from that layover bit or indeed the little crossing in the middle of the 58 stand and the layover, and I'm sure as hell it won't be the last - as it hasn't been condemned by all Nexus staff in the past. This photo shows someone standing there way back in 2005, an enthusiast who I believe is still around today.
RE: Trespassing - Malarkey - 15 Nov 2013
It's certainly not the first time people have taken photographs from that layover bit or indeed the little crossing in the middle of the 58 stand and the layover, and I'm sure as hell it won't be the last - as it hasn't been condemned by all Nexus staff in the past. This photo shows someone standing there way back in 2005, an enthusiast who I believe is still around today.
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There is nothing wrong with that photo Daniel, As said Person is not in the Bus Station (Technically) as you can clearly see he is standing above that layover, possibly standing in the Bushes judging by the angling of the shot itself. Compared to Bazza's where he actually crossed the crossing and took a photo, You could also argue after a few looks that Sean's Photo may have been taken from the middle of the Road next to the 58 Stand rather than the Pavement as many have suggested including myself upon first glance at it.
Which would makes both photos just as bad as each other. But because it's Bazza and the fact he a chequered past when comes to following the Guidelines and the also fact very few people like him. He is the one is then targeted and given grief to by other Enthusiasts who are no better than him for following the rules. I think this Trespassing Conversation really needs putting to bed once for all as it's getting out of hand from a personal point of view.
From experience of this kind of grief at the Start of this Year, I got accused Left, Right and Centre by other Enthusiasts for Trespassing in the Depots etc, But the thing is I always had Permission to take a few Photos. This sort of grief when multiple people are involved, could be classed as Bullying in some cases and when everyone gangs up on one person it's not very nice and leave people like Bazza feeling Insecure and Lacking Confidence in themselves as a Result.
I am not Defending Bazza at all here as he Big Enough and Old Enough to do that Himself as he is an Adult and he makes his own Decisions, I am merely pointing out that this Page isn't helping the matter in any shape or form, as it seems just about everyone has been slagging him off on this Page rather than it being about a Group of people Trespassing. When other Enthusiasts are no better than him.
I think it would only be right if the NEB Admin Team were consider to removing this Page as they have done in Past with Pages where Conversation has gotten out of hand.
RE: Trespassing - Rapidsnap - 15 Nov 2013
There probably wouldn't be so much of an issue with Bazzas photo if he had used the proper crossing point. But I've been told he ran accross the road in front of a oncoming bus.
I must admit, I don't care where people photo in the bus station, as long as they do it without endangering themselves or other people.
And amazingly, it's not the tresspassing that gripes me the most about Bazza. It's the fact that he has sent malicious letters full of lies to bus companies trying to get innocent drivers the sack (I know of 2 drivers he done this to). In my opinion, there is no place in the hobby for people like that, and would probably explain why a lot of people don't like him.
RE: Trespassing - atlantean542 - 15 Nov 2013
(15 Nov 2013, 6:49 am)Dan wrote Regarding This photo shows someone standing there way back in 2005, an enthusiast who I believe is still around today.
As it was me that took this photo in 2005 I can state that the photo and many others were taken by the fence on Prince Consort Road looking down towards the Interchange and that parking area.
If you look in the collection I also took this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99435494@N02/10860881435/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99435494@N02/
RE: Trespassing - Dan - 15 Nov 2013
(15 Nov 2013, 10:03 am)atlantean542 wrote As it was me that took this photo in 2005 I can state that the photo and many others were taken by the fence on Prince Consort Road looking down towards the Interchange and that parking area.
If you look in the collection I also took this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99435494@N02/10860881435/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99435494@N02/
I wasn't talking about you taking the photograph, but the enthusiast who you pictured in your photograph (hence 'this photo shows').
RE: Trespassing - Malarkey - 15 Nov 2013
(15 Nov 2013, 10:31 am)Dan wrote I wasn't talking about you taking the photograph, but the enthusiast who you pictured in your photograph (hence 'this photo shows').
I would say that's a Bus Driver Daniel as you can see the Old Red Case they used to carry about when going to change Drivers, Plus the Clothing is big give away I think.
RE: Trespassing - Rapidsnap - 15 Nov 2013
Definatley the driver. It was a regular occurance for drivers to stand at that location when the section of pavement was still there.
RE: Trespassing - busmanT - 15 Nov 2013
(14 Nov 2013, 11:13 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote This is a better shot of it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77351420@N04/10855369733/
The side looks good but the lack of anything on the front panel or the bit of it that bends round to the front side makes it look like they missed a bit!
The front is yet to be completed!
RE: Trespassing - Adrian - 15 Nov 2013
(15 Nov 2013, 9:23 am)GMitchelhill wrote There probably wouldn't be so much of an issue with Bazzas photo if he had used the proper crossing point. But I was informed by a driver that he darted accross the road right in front of the bus he was driving. Said driver also said the GNE Health and Safety representitive was going to have words with Bazza whom quickly scarpered when he saw the guy approaching him.
A GNE Health and Safety rep is nothing more than a workplace safety rep. They have no authority over a member of the public, and it's not their place to confront someone. Anything like that should be reported to Nexus. This is what leads to people like the person you've mentioned making complaints and I'd hate to think someone would be daft enough to put themselves in that position.
RE: Trespassing - MrFozz - 16 Nov 2013
I think the demonisation of Bazza has to stop, I am not defending his actions whatsoever(I have been critical of him myself), I strongly condemn the way he gets some of his photos, trespassing is against the law and running across bus stations to get a good shot is downright stupid and dangerous and if he gets nicked or run over, there is only one person to blame, himself...
As for things like reporting drivers for whatever and trying to get them sacked, I agree with Mr Mitchellhill, that is downright sneaky and sly, lower than a rattlesnakes arse, no call for it without a bloody good reason.
However, I think it has been made plain in the past that Baz has learning disabilities, probably somewhere on the autism spectrum and I think we can figure out that he may have a different concept on things to the rest of us, what we see as criticism, even if it comes across as harsh, he sees as bullying, unfortunately I dont think anyone anytime soon will be able to help him figure that out...
I have said it before, I will say it again, deep down in Bazza, there is something good, I dont see anything in him that is evil and one thing is clear, the kid loves his buses, maybes a little too much when we have seen the lengths he goes to to get the picture, and I genuinely dread the day either he gets hurt or someone else does because of his actions
RE: Trespassing - Andreos1 - 16 Nov 2013
(16 Nov 2013, 2:16 am)fozzovmurton wrote I think the demonisation of Bazza has to stop, I am not defending his actions whatsoever(I have been critical of him myself), I strongly condemn the way he gets some of his photos, trespassing is against the law and running across bus stations to get a good shot is downright stupid and dangerous and if he gets nicked or run over, there is only one person to blame, himself...
As for things like reporting drivers for whatever and trying to get them sacked, I agree with Mr Mitchellhill, that is downright sneaky and sly, lower than a rattlesnakes arse, no call for it without a bloody good reason.
However, I think it has been made plain in the past that Baz has learning disabilities, probably somewhere on the autism spectrum and I think we can figure out that he may have a different concept on things to the rest of us, what we see as criticism, even if it comes across as harsh, he sees as bullying, unfortunately I dont think anyone anytime soon will be able to help him figure that out...
I have said it before, I will say it again, deep down in Bazza, there is something good, I dont see anything in him that is evil and one thing is clear, the kid loves his buses, maybes a little too much when we have seen the lengths he goes to to get the picture, and I genuinely dread the day either he gets hurt or someone else does because of his actions
Whilst I agree with you to a point, the lad doesn't seem to do himself any favours.
I don't know him personally - but have heard a lot of him and unless Nexus or GNE act, then as you say, it could end badly.
People sitting slagging him off on here, doesn't help him or anyone else.
However, @sibbers85 from Real Radio has a photo on his twitter feed of the first contestant in 'toot for the route' of Barry standing with his frisbee and horn.
Having heard how much Bazza hates being called Barry, I wonder if Sibbers knows about him too?
Re: RE: Trespassing - MrFozz - 16 Nov 2013
(16 Nov 2013, 1:58 pm)andreos1 wrote 7
Whilst I agree with you to a point, the lad doesn't seem to do himself any favours.
I don't know him personally - but have heard a lot of him and unless Nexus or GNE act, then as you say, it coul0* ((,,? (??
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People sitting slagging him off on here, doesn't help him or anyone else.
However, @sibbers85 from Real Radio has a photo on his twitter feed of the first contestant in 'toot for the route' of Barry standing with his frisbee and horn.
Having heard how much Bazza hates being called Barry, I wonder if Sibbers knows about him too?
I know him, sort of, met him at Park Lane last June and again this at the MetroCentre Rally
, while he was a good lad with me, very talkative, quite chirpy and his love for the hobby shone right, I am only speaking for myself, but I dont think must people would know
RE: Trespassing - Malarkey - 16 Nov 2013
I have bumped into Bazza on Numerous Occasions over the Past 10 Months since I met him on a Freezing Cold Snow Hit Day in Stanley whilst waiting for the Versa Demo 9133 back in January. I have had no problems with him Personally as Fozza said he always Talkative and rather Enthusiastic when it comes to Buses which I can understand as I been the same since I was 4 Years Old.
Obviously I haven't gone to the extent Bazza has by going to Depots and into Out of Bound Areas of a Bus Station to get photo which he could of got from the Pavement, Like I said Yesterday and other Members have since, I think people need to back off and leave him alone, As it isn't helping either way, from my point of view it's making the Situation even worse than it already is.
Now I think after talking to the Gateshead Bus Station Manager and the GNE Health and Safety Rep whilst taking a few photos in Gateshead Yesterday of the Citylink Versa, I was firmly warned not to go on the roads after Thursdays Incident and I think other Enthusiasts should take note of this, as looks like Nexus are clamping down. Now I Nexus should come down on Bazza like a ton of bricks as he now done it on Numerous Occasions and got away with it as he has done a runner and I have witnessed him do it at Park Lane on few Occasions also, whilst myself (Yesterday) and other Enthusiasts get the Brunt of it which I think is unfair to be honest, as most of us do actually follow the Rules to some extent. Myself i'll take photos in a Safe Location of the Bus Station.
Next to the 58 Stand
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10874549915/
Next to the Blaydon Racers/Quaylink Stand
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10839206856/
Across from the 58 Stand next to the Traffic Lights
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10823315573/
Entrance from Jackson/High Street West
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10811305335/
I am no saint I have on a few occasions took a few photos in the middle of the road, but only when it is safe to do so, not when there has been 4 or 5 Buses coming towards me. But I am not the only one who has done this either.
RE: Trespassing - Rapidsnap - 17 Nov 2013
(16 Nov 2013, 5:34 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote Now I think after talking to the Gateshead Bus Station Manager and the GNE Health and Safety Rep whilst taking a few photos in Gateshead Yesterday of the Citylink Versa, I was firmly warned not to go on the roads after Thursdays Incident and I think other Enthusiasts should take note of this, as looks like Nexus are clamping down.
Interesting. Would have been half expecting for the bus station manager to turn around to say no photographing in Nexus bus stations. But.... I'm guessing this may depend on what staff are on duty or who you are. Or probably how you are going about photographing. I'm sure they would tell you to stop if you were jumping out on the roads.
Re: RE: Trespassing - MrFozz - 17 Nov 2013
(16 Nov 2013, 5:34 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote I have bumped into Bazza on Numerous Occasions over the Past 10 Months since I met him on a Freezing Cold Snow Hit Day in Stanley whilst waiting for the Versa Demo 9133 back in January. I have had no problems with him Personally as Fozza said he always Talkative and rather Enthusiastic when it comes to Buses which I can understand as I been the same since I was 4 Years Old.
Obviously I haven't gone to the extent Bazza has by going to Depots and into Out of Bound Areas of a Bus Station to get photo which he could of got from the Pavement, Like I said Yesterday and other Members have since, I think people need to back off and leave him alone, As it isn't helping either way, from my point of view it's making the Situation even worse than it already is.
Now I think after talking to the Gateshead Bus Station Manager and the GNE Health and Safety Rep whilst taking a few photos in Gateshead Yesterday of the Citylink Versa, I was firmly warned not to go on the roads after Thursdays Incident and I think other Enthusiasts should take note of this, as looks like Nexus are clamping down. Now I Nexus should come down on Bazza like a ton of bricks as he now done it on Numerous Occasions and got away with it as he has done a runner and I have witnessed him do it at Park Lane on few Occasions also, whilst myself (Yesterday) and other Enthusiasts get the Brunt of it which I think is unfair to be honest, as most of us do actually follow the Rules to some extent. Myself i'll take photos in a Safe Location of the Bus Station.
Next to the 58 Stand
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10874549915/
Next to the Blaydon Racers/Quaylink Stand
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10839206856/
Across from the 58 Stand next to the Traffic Lights
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10823315573/
Entrance from Jackson/High Street West
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/10811305335/
I am no saint I have on a few occasions took a few photos in the middle of the road, but only when it is safe to do so, not when there has been 4 or 5 Buses coming towards me. But I am not the only one who has done this either.
None of us are saints, I am certainly not, I am like a kid sometimes, I like to take a crafty photo in a place where I should not, if I see something in, say, Park Lane, I will quickly whip my phone out, but like a kid, it is because we know we are ultimately not supposed to, I myself have been ticked off for taking pics there when I first started about 3/4 years ago, but these days find I dont get bothered as long as I keep myself to myself and not bother anybody, then I am left alone, as long as I am just off a bus station
This thread has made one thing clear, it has scapegoated one person for everything that is bad in bus-enthusiasm, 1 individual is picked out for it all, and I dont think that is fair, pick up on it, yes, but do we really need to go into what I feel is character assassination, Bazza firmly has hold of his own rope, should we really be tightening it for him, he is doing that himself, he does need to learn a lesson and it seems it may only be harsh when he finally learns.
As for the trespassing, GNE have in a way brought it on themselves, they need to sit down and start dealing with the incidents at Saltmeadows, they need to either up there security or look at using more CCTV and when an offender is identified, throw the book at them and it known that at all times there will be a zero tolerance policy will be in place with the full weight of the law behind them, same with Nexus in Bus Stations