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RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - L469 YVK - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 9:14 pm)Malarkey wrote x7 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Castles Express
x11 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Durham Diamond
x15 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Red Arrows
x11 Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC's for the Connections4
As much as we'd love to see something better than the StreetDecks on the Castles Express, I think they will stay put for the time being.
If GNE really wanted them off the Castles Express, they would've went with a mixed fleet allocation for the Cobalt Clippers (sending 7x refurbed B9TLs to Crook) and allocated them primarily to boards running late into the evening.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Michael - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 9:22 pm)L469 YVK wrote As much as we'd love to see something better than the StreetDecks on the Castles Express, I think they will stay put for the time being.
If GNE really wanted them off the Castles Express, they would've went with a mixed fleet allocation for the Cobalt Clippers (sending 7x refurbed B9TLs to Crook) and allocated them primarily to boards running late into the evening.
Why Cobalt, could swap them with Deptfords B9's for the 56?
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Malarkey - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 9:22 pm)L469 YVK wrote As much as we'd love to see something better than the StreetDecks on the Castles Express, I think they will stay put for the time being.
If GNE really wanted them off the Castles Express, they would've went with a mixed fleet allocation for the Cobalt Clippers (sending 7x refurbed B9TLs to Crook) and allocated them primarily to boards running late into the evening.
I think they'll take them off the X21 as they are poor reliability wise, they seem to spend more time at Chester-Le-Street than anywhere else which maybe the best place for them on the 13/14 & X25.
It would also help standardise the fleet at Chester also.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - NewcastleOne - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 9:32 pm)Michael wrote Why Cobalt, could swap them with Deptfords B9's for the 56?
Nope 7x Streetdecks would go perfect on 310 PVR and that’s not the case for the 56. Not everything can go to Deptford.
(13 Mar 2019, 9:14 pm)Malarkey wrote x7 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Castles Express
x11 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Durham Diamond
x15 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Red Arrows
x11 Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC's for the Connections4
Can’t see them going on either Durham Diamond or Castle Express yet as both are sort of new 16 Regs may be 1 or 2 years then possibly as some reported the Durham Diamond has seen increasing passenger numbers. (Believe so)
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - JM03 - 13 Mar 2019
Are GNE starting to focus mainly on the enviros now?
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Michael - 13 Mar 2019
[quote="NewcastleOne" pid='226807' dateline='1552516444']
Nope 7x Streetdecks would go perfect on 310 PVR and that’s not the case for the 56. Not everything can go to Deptford.
Not everything can go to Percy Main either....
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Rapidsnap - 13 Mar 2019
Optare MetroDeckers for 56 / X1 / 327 (Be hints on for years that it's getting new buses).
Optare MetroCity (or Versa) for the 4
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Michael - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 10:44 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Optare MetroDeckers for 56 / X1 / 327 (Be hints on for years that it's getting new buses).
Optare MetroCity for the 4
Interesting move if true
Can't comment on performance of them, never been on them.. never had a chance to go on the demo's due to work...
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Rapidsnap - 13 Mar 2019
Well I have heard an unnamed Operator (in addition to those ordered by Metroline and Reading Buses) has ordered some Optare MetroDeckers.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Michael - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 10:59 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Well I have heard an unnamed Operator (in addition to those ordered by Metroline and Reading Buses) has ordered some Optare MetroDeckers.
Hopefully Go North East then, need something different after all the Wright stuff they've had in the last few years!!
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - L469 YVK - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 10:44 pm)Michael wrote [quote="NewcastleOne" pid='226807' dateline='1552516444']
Nope 7x Streetdecks would go perfect on 310 PVR and that’s not the case for the 56. Not everything can go to Deptford.
Not everything can go to Percy Main either....
It wouldn't matter if they were allocated to the 309 or 310 as some boards will still probably (need Dan to confirm this)interwork during the early evening between 4.30 and 6.30. The B9TLs although fab on the Cobalt Clippers are a little on the heavy side in terms of fuel. Going by what drivers have mentioned, the B9TLs will only be getting a refurb. No vehicle movements or swaps.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Malarkey - 13 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 10:42 pm)JM03 wrote Are GNE starting to focus mainly on the enviros now?
I think so given they've ordered Enviros for the East Yorkshire network.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Rapidsnap - 14 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 11:37 pm)Malarkey wrote I think so given they've ordered Enviros for the East Yorkshire network.
Thing is EYMS has had ADL Enviros of various shapes and sizes in their fleet for a good number of years now plus with the ADL factory at Scarborough being in the EYMS operating area, it would make the company image better if they are supporting local jobs. West Midlands did it for a number of years with MCW until they went kaput (MCW that is), Fishwicks were same with Leyland vehicles.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Stanleyone - 14 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 9:14 pm)Malarkey wrote x7 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Castles Express
x11 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Durham Diamond
x15 Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's for the Red Arrows
x11 Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC's for the Connections4
I would agree with the amount of trials the 4 has had in the last few weeks, this route will most likely get new buses, whether 200MMC or Metrocity i'm not sure, although i did have a drive or the Metrocity when Stanley had it and its a much better drive than the current streetlites. With the red arrows not getting refurbed (just internal update), i again think that this will get 400MMCs. But something mentioned on our grapevine at Stanley is the "new depot new buses" theory, so i wouldn't rule out the Red Kite from going all double deck in the form of either 400MMC or Metrodecker. Some might argue that the 45/46/47 doesn't need the capacity, but in my opinion at peak times, loadings would suggest and thinking of those routes with older vehicles 6/35/93/94/97/97A/X30/X31 are GNE willing to spend money on brand new buses when the figures might not add up, or cascade from routes that are making money?.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Panasonic44 - 14 Mar 2019
Would Crusader get DD off the other routes when they get newer buses.
Was hoping for environs for Crusader DD for 27 and e200s for 26.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Dan - 14 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 7:02 pm)cbma06 wrote Dan, are any of these 44 new buses destined for EYMS?, just EYMS comes under GNE name.
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No, all of these vehicles are purely for the North East operations.
East Yorkshire also have new vehicles on order, although they are separate.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - NewcastleOne - 14 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 10:44 pm)Michael wrote [quote="NewcastleOne" pid='226807' dateline='1552516444']
Nope 7x Streetdecks would go perfect on 310 PVR and that’s not the case for the 56. Not everything can go to Deptford.
Not everything can go to Percy Main either....
Didn’t say that
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - RM2186 - 14 Mar 2019
If the Red Arrows B9's are receiving re-trims in standard Go Ahead trim, maybe they are being cascaded to EYMS. Just a thought!
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - GNE6312 - 14 Mar 2019
(13 Mar 2019, 5:48 pm)Dan wrote It's been a while since we've last had some activity in this thread...
Go North East MD Martijn Gilbert was the guest speaker at a group meeting of the Northern Group Enthusiasts Club yesterday evening. During the talk, Martijn confirmed that Go North East have placed an order for 44 new vehicles this year (33 double-deck and 11 single-deck).
With this extra detail now in our hands, does anyone want to have another guess at which vehicles may have been ordered, and for which services?
Does this include the 9 electric buses for the q3 or saltwell park.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Stanleyone - 14 Mar 2019
(14 Mar 2019, 3:45 pm)GNE6312 wrote Does this include the 9 electric buses for the q3 or saltwell park.
No dan has confirmed they’re separate
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Rapidsnap - 14 Mar 2019
Right I'm going to have a little go at this. Numbers might be slightly off and not all movements mentioned.
In
11x Optare MetroCity or Optare Versa to Washington for service 4.
14x Optare MetroDeckers to Washington for services X1 / X1A
14x Optare MetroDeckers to Deptford for 56.
4x Optare MetroDeckers to Riverside for X66 with the service no longer using the Centrelink upper section under Metro Bridge.
13x Scania N94UD / ELC Omnidekka (Long) for various depots.
9x Optare MetroCity EV or Optare Versa EV for Riverside depot for 53 / 54.
Total In - 65
Additionally MetroDecker 9083 and 9084 taken on as a Permament fleetmembers.
Out
16x Volvo B9TL / Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 to Scarborough
10x Volvo B7TL / ELC Myllenium Vyking to Disposal
3x Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President to Disposal (6010 / 6017)
31x Scania L94UB / Wright Solar to Disposal
5x Volvo B7RLE / Wright Eclipse to Disposal
Total Out - 65
Movements
11x Mercedes Benz Citaro from Washington to Riverside for 97
11x Volvo B9TL / Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 to Consett depot for 45/46/47
4x Volvo B9TL / Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 to Percy Main depot to upgrade 327
4x Scania N94UD / ELC Omnidekka from DFDS into Misc Fleet
2x Volvo B9TL / Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 to Percy Main as spares.
8x Wright Streetlite (Short version) remain at Riverside for 93 / 94
6x Wright Streetlite (ex Red Kite) to Deptford depot to replace Black Cat Solars.
5x Wright Streetlite (ex Red Kite) to Percy Main to replace Volvo B7RLE / Wright Eclipse on 19
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - JP6004 - 14 Mar 2019
15xStreetdeck for Red Arrows
18xStreetdeck for TVT
11xE200 for Toonlink
10+2 spare B9TL to Stanley for Red Kite
12+2 spare B9TL for 50
1 B9TL to Percy Main as spare
Remaining B9TLs replace older DD
10+1 spare Streetlite Stanley to Riverside for 97
Displaced Omnis to remove L94 from Deptford/Percy Main/Chester
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - JP6004 - 14 Mar 2019
Or
13+2 spare Streetdeck for 56
16+2 spare for TVT
11 E200 for 4
15x B9TL refurbed for X1 and 1 spare for Cobalt
10xB9TL for Red Kite
12+2 spare B9TL for 50
11x Citaro to Riverside to displace Green Arrow L94
11 Streetlite from Red Kite to Toonlink
Omni from 50 and Toonlink to displace L94 from Deptford/Riverside
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - GNE6312 - 14 Mar 2019
4x volvo B8TL/E400 XLBs for the X66+2x spares
8x volvo B8RLE wright eclipse 3s for the 11+3 spares
5264-74 displced to CLS for the 13/X25
7x volvo V8TL/E400 XLB for the X9/X10+2 spare
6308-14 to percy main with 6308-11 being allocated to the 327 displcing 6144/5/7/8 to the special events fleet with 6312-4 being spares for the cobalt clipper displacing 6134/5/6 to the special events fleet
6x E40D/E400 MMCs for the X70/X71+2 spare
This will displace 8 omnicities from stankey to elsewgere in the GNE/EYMS fleet
This is all I could suggest for now.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Malarkey - 14 Mar 2019
(14 Mar 2019, 8:33 pm)GNE6312 wrote 4x volvo B8TL/E400 XLBs for the X66+2x spares
7x volvo V8TL/E400 XLB for the X9/X10+2 spare
6308-14 to percy main with 6308-11 being allocated to the 327 displcing 6144/5/7/8 to the special events fleet with 6312-4 being spares for the cobalt clipper displacing 6134/5/6 to the special events fleet
This is all I could suggest for now.
No way these could go around by Asda/Ikea and the Debenhams/House of Fraser end of the MetroCentre car park on the X66 or intu Eldon Square/Peterlee Bus Station for that matter, then you have the u-turn outside Billingham Asda to contend with also.
Standard sized deckers would be more suited for these services.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - GNE6312 - 14 Mar 2019
(14 Mar 2019, 8:42 pm)Malarkey wrote No way these could go around by Asda/Ikea and the Debenhams/House of Fraser end of the MetroCentre car park on the X66 or intu Eldon Square/Peterlee Bus Station for that matter, then you have the u-turn outside Billingham Asda to contend with also.
Standard sized deckers would be more suited for these services.
Withdrawing the X66 there and bring the S1 back
As far as eldon square goes they could change the Newcastle stop to market street however I don't know about peterlee and billingham
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Rapidsnap - 14 Mar 2019
Volvo B8TL / ADL Enviro 400XLB for X9 / X10 maybe in the future, but I don't think it be in the next 2 years.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - RBZ 5459 - 15 Mar 2019
15x StreetDeck for the X1 (plus 2 spare)
13x StreetDeck for 56 (plus 2 spare)
1x StreetDeck left over... so Chester/Crook spare.
11x E200 for the 4
B9TL replace Omnidekka at Stanley/Chester where necessary, perhaps some cascades to EYMS too.
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - L469 YVK - 15 Mar 2019
(15 Mar 2019, 1:58 pm)RBZ 5459 wrote 15x StreetDeck for the X1 (plus 2 spare)
13x StreetDeck for 56 (plus 2 spare)
1x StreetDeck left over... so Chester/Crook spare.
11x E200 for the 4
B9TL replace Omnidekka at Stanley/Chester where necessary, perhaps some cascades to EYMS too.
PVR of 56 is 14x vehicles
RE: Go North East: 2018/19 Financial Year Order Predictions - Michael - 16 Mar 2019
Think the numbers are right:
Allocations:
11 Enviro 200MMC to Deptford for the 9 although no spares of the type, Citaro's would be used instead.
15 E400 MMC’s for Red Arrow (2 spare)
14 E400 MMC’s for FAB 56 (2 spare)
Double decker’s to have tables and wireless USB charging ports.
Others:
13 Omnidekka’s from Brighton
9 Electric buses
Electric buses
Saltwell Park - 8 + 1 spare.
Cascades:
11 Citaro to stay at Deptford to get rid of the Scania's.
Red Arrow B9’s
11 B9’s from Red Arrow to Chester to replace the Omnidekka’s
1 B9 Red Arrow to replace 6146 at Crook
1 B9 to replace 6017 at Washington
2 B9’s replace 6920 and 6921 at Riverside
FAB 56 B9’s
10 to Percy Main to replace 3995, 3996, 6132, 34, 35, 44, 45, 47, 48
4 b9’s to be branded for the DFDS Seaways
Omnidekka’s
10 Chester Omnidekka’s to Riverside to replace the Vykings
1 Omnidekka to Riverside to replace 6922
10 Omnidekka from Percy Main to replace 6923-6932
9 Omnidekka’s from Brighton to replace 6933-6941
4 Omnidekka’s from Brighton as spares.
Saltwell Park Streetlites:
8 Streetlites to the Loop
Withdrawals:
19 Scania L94
10 Vykings
Presidents - 6920 - 6941