(07 Dec 2021, 11:29 pm)Keeiajs wrote Does anyone think there will be a Euro 7,

(08 Dec 2021, 8:30 am)54APhotography wrote https://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/200709-AECC-position-on-Euro-7.pdf

(09 Jan 2022, 11:40 pm)col87 wrote Have heard from a few people now that the Enviro 200 MMC at Stockton are going to Newcastle been swapped with the older Man Alexander 300s. That would mean Stockton gets a downgrade while Newcastle is upgraded further.

(09 Jan 2022, 11:52 pm)peter wrote It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole CAZ initiative if vehicles aren't upgraded or replaced and are pushed about elsewhere. It's not just Stagecoach of course Go North East have done it too. Would be interesting to know what the air quality impacts are for Stockton and Sunderland.

(10 Jan 2022, 10:29 am)Ianthegoon wrote Indeed; it's really not what the Council's objective is!

However, if the air quality in Stockton and Sunderland is OK, whereas that in Newcastle is poor, then the quality in Newcastle needs to be improved.  If the means of achieving this then means that Stockton and Sunderland's air quality falls below that required, then those locations will also get CAZs proposed, which in turn WILL require expenditure on new vehicles as there's no more spare capacity for the merry-go-round to continue.

(10 Jan 2022, 11:11 am)Rob44 wrote 100% agee with this.  It would be hardly an option to say that every but in england need to meet the require standard by xxx date. so start in the worst place which include Newcastle. Now if SCNE and other want to move there buses around then that really a matter for them and as Ian says if stockten/5under1and get them and there quality decreases they will get new buses and the buses they received will be moved onto another area i would guess and so forth.  Not ideal by any means...

(09 Jan 2022, 11:52 pm)peter wrote It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole CAZ initiative if vehicles aren't upgraded or replaced and are pushed about elsewhere. It's not just Stagecoach of course Go North East have done it too. Would be interesting to know what the air quality impacts are for Stockton and Sunderland.

(11 Jan 2022, 12:27 pm)Adrian wrote I think you're right that it makes a mockery of a CAZ scheme, when it results in neighbouring Towns and Cities suffer as a result, but Councils are largely very parochial by nature and quite frankly won't care less. One of the biggest reasons that the North East devolution has never really progressed.

And whilst some places have ended up with big downgrades and a lesser service for customers there, I do think at the same time it should be recognised the substantial investment that has gone into preparation for the Newcastle CAZ. Walkergate and Slatyford have had 47x E400MMCs and 18x E200MMCs between them. Then there's the original 19x Streetdecks for the Angel, 20x Streetdecks across the X1/X45/X46, 18x E400MMCs and and 11x E200MMCs that Go North East have brought into service.
 
The ideal would be to regulate against the use of older buses in service work, but in reality it's going to be a problem that solves itself in the next couple of years, as some of these older buses are already on their last legs. 

(11 Jan 2022, 12:27 pm)Adrian wrote I think you're right that it makes a mockery of a CAZ scheme, when it results in neighbouring Towns and Cities suffer as a result, but Councils are largely very parochial by nature and quite frankly won't care less. One of the biggest reasons that the North East devolution has never really progressed.

And whilst some places have ended up with big downgrades and a lesser service for customers there, I do think at the same time it should be recognised the substantial investment that has gone into preparation for the Newcastle CAZ. Walkergate and Slatyford have had 47x E400MMCs and 18x E200MMCs between them. Then there's the original 19x Streetdecks for the Angel, 20x Streetdecks across the X1/X45/X46, 18x E400MMCs and and 11x E200MMCs that Go North East have brought into service.

The ideal would be to regulate against the use of older buses in service work, but in reality it's going to be a problem that solves itself in the next couple of years, as some of these older buses are already on their last legs.

(12 May 2022, 1:18 pm)N1cholas wrote All the recent re allocations and re paints now wasted as the Clean air zone has been postponed, might as well scrap the idea all together https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-clean-air-zone-tolls-23936406?fbclid=IwAR0iflxFHRze7fFxXGTot0jdK-mGFwkDUeNOImtUGCpPXgtyIPPddAw2TXQ

(12 May 2022, 5:53 pm)V514DFT wrote I'd rather see the money spent on the Tyne Bridge to be honest,something much more deserving of the money

(12 May 2022, 6:28 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Postponed not scrapped, so not wasted at all.

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Life’s not that simple, you can’t just spend an allocated pot of funding on a completely different thing.

Tyne Bridge is deserving, but is it really “much more deserving” than our health and the health of future generations?

(12 May 2022, 6:33 pm)Aaron21 wrote It'll happen again. It'll keep getting postponed

(12 May 2022, 5:53 pm)V514DFT wrote I'd rather see the money spent on the Tyne Bridge to be honest,something much more deserving of the money

(12 May 2022, 8:35 pm)Ambassador wrote It’s electoral suicide to introduce it no matter how much they blame central government. In good economic conditions you can take it on the chin but not now.

They can’t justify a charge during the current cost of living pressures and that won’t go away for a long time, priorities have changed and the green agenda is slipping below peoples needs to well….live

(12 May 2022, 7:29 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Maybe. My point still stands though.

“” “All preparations for the Clean Air Zone remain ongoing, including work on the installation of technology and signage and systems testing. All will progress significantly over the summer.”

(21 May 2022, 2:47 pm)Metroline1511 wrote This suggests that the introduction of the Clean Air Zone could go ahead (no pun intended) later this year or early next year for example.

(28 May 2022, 4:12 pm)ne14ne1 wrote So GNE are well on their way to a CAZ-compliant fleet for their services that will enter the CAZ.

I think I saw a post in the Stagecoach area of the forum saying only a single-digit number of vehicles are not compliant but they’ll probably be sent off soon and replaced with Euro6 vehicles. I think that’s been said about Walkergates Depot.
Is that pretty much the case for Slatyford depot too?

And once Arriva North East take delivery of their new E400MMCs and cascade vehicles around is that them CAZ-compliant for all their CAZ routes too?

Suppose put simply my question is, are the ‘big 3’ operators pretty much ready now/will be soon?

(28 May 2022, 4:16 pm)Storx wrote It's the Enviro 200 MMC's Arriva need more than the Enviro 400 MMC's to replace the Solo's at Jesmond on the 46, 51/51A and 55. Haven't heard much about them for awhile though, assuming they'll be coming at the same time though.