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RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 10:05 pm)Tom How? - It would be a spare to the X7?
I don't think that's what Rob means...
By 'spare role', you mean a route with lesser priority than a branded service - vehicles which fall under the "Northern" brand (or "Go North East" corporate liveried services, for future repaints).
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Tom - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 10:07 pm)Dan I don't think that's what Rob means...
By 'spare role', you mean a route with lesser priority than a branded service - vehicles which fall under the "Northern" brand (or "Go North East" corporate liveried services, for future repaints).
Ah right - I getcha now
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 31 Dec 2013
An update:
List:
Lime
X66
Laser
Crusader
Washington Street Shuttle
All comes to 60 PVR
Rob has said in his latest post:
I do doubt Citaro will be purchased to make the Laser a full Citaro operation. It is more likely that deckers will be purchased, as you suggest.
Citaro is likely for the Lime
Then Rob said: New vehicles are potentially a viable option on the Toonlink services. The B7s are more likely to be moved to a spare vehicle role.
That could mean Toonlink has being added to the list - 13 PRV
So far, (What has said by our GNE Representative)
Lime - Citaro
X66
Laser - Deckers
Crusader
Washington Street Shuttle
Toonlink
Rest we are unsure, any news on them Rob?
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 31 Dec 2013
Remove "Washington Street Shuttle". I did strongly hint at this yesterday, but how about QuayLINK Versa cascades in 2015, if the Cadets prove to be successful on those services? I feel like a broken record, but remember depot standardisation. Washington have already received similar vehicles for "South Tyne" service 88.
busmanT gave a very clear image of the top priorities for next year, with Rob filling in the gaps.
- X66 (11.7m Versa)
- Lime (Citaro)
- Crusader (Double decker - B5TL/Optare Integral?)
- Laser (As above)
- Toon Link (As above, or Citaro).
- Fab57 (11.7m Versa).
Demonstration vehicles will be required for some of next year's orders as some products have now been discontinued by manufacturers, and it will be difficult to meet the £11m budget if we have such a large order of heavy weight double decked vehicles again.
80 buses, sorted.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 31 Dec 2013
(31 Dec 2013, 11:13 am)Dan Remove "Washington Street Shuttle".
- X66 (11.7m Versa)
- Lime (Citaro)
- Crusader (Double decker - B5TL/Optare Integral?)
- Laser (As above)
- Toon Link (As above, or Citaro).
- Fab57 (11.7m Versa).
80 buses, sorted.
I was thinking about removing it but i just hoyed it on because it was on Rob's list but now i'm thinking they wont get new buses with the info about the Toonlink services.
I defiantly think your list is correct for what will go where - i think the ToonLink and FAB 57 will get Citaro/Streetlite or Versa.
I'm looking forward to seen this - Optare Integral decker!
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Question... Should we call the M2/M3/W5/W6 - Washington StreetShuttle - since its all Northern based spares now?
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 31 Dec 2013
(31 Dec 2013, 11:21 am)Michael Question... Should we call the M2/M3/W5/W6 - Washington StreetShuttle - since its all Northern based spares now?
I think if/when they do make a return, the brand will be spiced up and it'll be a lot better (similar to Connections 4).
The lettered routes for services M2/M3 could go, given that they promote links to the Metro (why advertise your competition?) and it would allow for a more simplistic network, with no letters.
At this stage, I would not yet include the W5/W6 in the aforementioned "WSS" upgrade.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - CatsFast101 - 31 Dec 2013
I've heard that laser will get deckers, although personally I'm not sure it justifies them. I've never had to stand on a 35, I have on say the 20 etc. I'm think the Optare buses may be an idea. For ToonLink I'd suggest Versas with I'd like to see Citaros on the fab 57.
Also,can any service be ruled out of receiving new vehicles? I mean venture was a surprising option to receive new buses. I mean obviously with venture and other mini bus routes there is little in the way of cascades.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 31 Dec 2013
(31 Dec 2013, 11:29 am)Dan I think if/when they do make a return, the brand will be spiced up and it'll be a lot better (similar to Connections 4).
The lettered routes for services M2/M3 could go, given that they promote links to the Metro (why advertise your competition?) and it would allow for a more simplistic network, with no letters.
At this stage, I would not yet include the W5/W6 in the aforementioned "WSS" upgrade.
Ye i hate letter based number bus routes... their pointless, they could re-number them
62/63 - M2/M3
75/76 - W5/W6
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 31 Dec 2013
(31 Dec 2013, 11:29 am)CatsFast101 I've heard that laser will get deckers, although personally I'm not sure it justifies them. I've never had to stand on a 35, I have on say the 20 etc. I'm think the Optare buses may be an idea. For ToonLink I'd suggest Versas with I'd like to see Citaros on the fab 57.
Well at least someone wasn't 'pulling your leg' about that one.
I doubt double deckers would have been discussed if the "Laser" network cannot justify them. You're at the stage whereby the "Laser" network has the best single deckers in the fleet, you cannot upgrade it any further from a single decker perspective, and if some journeys in and outside of peak hours can justify double decked vehicles...?
You'd have the Fab57 with better vehicles than Citylink service 58? Don't the Citaro vehicles cost £15-£20k more than a Versa?
Remember, both of those services share fairly common ground too...
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - CatsFast101 - 31 Dec 2013
(31 Dec 2013, 11:33 am)Dan Well at least someone wasn't 'pulling your leg' about that one.
I doubt double deckers would have been discussed if the "Laser" network cannot justify them. You're at the stage whereby the "Laser" network has the best single deckers in the fleet, you cannot upgrade it any further from a single decker perspective, and if some journeys in and outside of peak hours can justify double decked vehicles...?
You'd have the Fab57 with better vehicles than Citylink service 58? Don't the Citaro vehicles cost £15-£20k more than a Versa?
Remember, both of those services share fairly common ground too...
No ones 'pulled my leg' so to speak at all, I've heard this from a depot manager. And with regards to the fab 57, unlikely to receive citaros yes. But ToonLink with better vehicles than cityLink?
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 03 Jan 2014
Anyone got any idea's when these orders will be made?
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:22 pm)Michael Anyone got any idea's when these orders will be made?
I think orders are usually finalised in April, with the first arrivals to the fleet in August.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:24 pm)Dan I think orders are usually finalised in April.
Cheer's wasn't sure of the date.
Don't think some of the buses will last that long..
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:25 pm)Michael Cheer's wasn't sure of the date.
Don't think some of the buses will last that long..
Don't quote me on that though, haha...
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Kuyoyo - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:24 pm)Dan I think orders are usually finalised in April, with the first arrivals to the fleet in August.
If that is the case, it means 6117 will be the final B9 in the fleet whle 5368 will be the final Citaro in the current styling. As now, all orders will be built to Euro6 specifications whereas all orders places prior to New Years Eve 2013 will be built with Euro5 engines.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:31 pm)Dan Don't quote me on that though, haha...
I won't
, hopefully some orders will be made so buses will start to arrive around the June/July mark.Don't think the B10's can cope anymore on the lime
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:34 pm)Kuyoyo If that is the case, it means 6117 will be the final B9 in the fleet whle 5368 will be the final Citaro in the current styling. As now, all orders will be built to Euro6 specifications whereas all orders places prior to New Years Eve 2013 will be built with Euro5 engines.
Haha, well they certainly don't finalise orders this soon - that's for sure!
Re: RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Adrian - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:35 pm)Michael I won't
Don't think the B10's can cope anymore on the lime
Disagree with the statement on B10's. They're still solid on the Lime, and in my opinion, one of the nicest rides.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Kuyoyo - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 6:37 pm)Dan Haha, well they certainly don't finalise orders this soon - that's for sure!
Funny, Arriva have managed to, and likely Stagecoach have already done the same with their order for the group normally announced in the next few weeks.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 03 Jan 2014
(03 Jan 2014, 7:21 pm)Kuyoyo Funny, Arriva have managed to, and likely Stagecoach have already done the same with their order for the group normally announced in the next few weeks.
I thought Stagecoach finalised all offers in April or June? As that's why I said don't quote me on that one... Positive one is April and one is June.
With vehicles arriving so late in the year too...