City centre - Chester Road - A19 - Newcadtle. 56 minutes end to end. Pvr of two, the two buses that will be dropped from the 8.

(09 Nov 2016, 12:06 am)Deleted wrote City centre - Chester Road - A19 - Newcadtle. 56 minutes end to end. Pvr of two, the two buses that will be dropped from the 8.

I can see this service being held up in traffic on Chester road at peak times, should of served Sunderland south estates.


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(08 Nov 2016, 11:58 am)RBZ 5459 wrote Has it been mentioned? You'd have to point me at that one.

As an 'X24', going via The Boldons/A184 would mean that the service would shadow west parts of the X34 route, meaning perhaps more chance of it surviving - plus links to Shields+Market of course.
More testing the water by connecting the network rather than hugely competing in my view, especially if its starting off at a low PVR.

(09 Nov 2016, 12:06 am)Deleted wrote City centre - Chester Road - A19 - Newcadtle. 56 minutes end to end. Pvr of two, the two buses that will be dropped from the 8.

So are we proposing that the service is serving Boldon or not...? Bit lost off on what is speculation and what is confirmation?

I for one don't think there's demand for any more buses along the Boldon - Newcastle corridor; if the proposed X24 was to come into fruition, it would have to be paired with a reduction in frequency on the X34 to compensate for it. I'm doubtful this reduction in frequency could be achieved, given the volume of passengers on the Harton Nook - Boldon stretch.

If we're proposing it's going to serve Chester Road, I perish the thought of what the reliability of the service will be like at peak times near The Broadway. Stagecoach are well aware of the issues at peak times in this area - they've been ongoing for years. A four minute layover at either end, whilst likely to be sufficient during the day, won't provide a reliable service at peak times (unless the headway is dropped back by five or so minutes to compensate and there's not a streamlined frequency after a certain time), if the service runs via Chester Road.

Could it not be operating the 5 route between the town and the Broadway? Since ive read somewhere the 8 is going to be partly replaced by the 5- I'm assuming that means around the Helmsdale Road area. That could allow the 5 to run via Hylton Road, Helmsdale Road, Holborn Road and then normal route to Gilley Law. Otherwise it is abit of a diversion to loop around Helmsdale Road on its current route.

(08 Nov 2016, 9:44 am)cbma06 wrote Originally it was VFM buses X23 via Felgate then turned into X23 and X24 with the X24 via Boldon


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Just one of the many failed attempts at a Sunderland - Newcastle via Newcastle Road/Boldon service.

I can't see SNE giving the same route a go at all.

From what I can make out so far, user 'deleted'  is a Sunderland based SNE employee so his statement of the X24 going City Centre -Chester Road -A19 - Gateshead and Newcastle appears to be the confirmation.

No more need for speculation on the Boldon corridor.

As Dan said... Chester Road will be one of the main problems for time keeping, along with Newcastle. I do hope they've thought about that!

If the 18/19 is dropping to hourly, then at least 1 bus will come from that service, Stagecoach might make it a 3 PVR so extra layover time can be added.

GNE 78 has a time of 14 minute from City Centre to Hastings Hill. Deleted has quoted 56 mins end to end which gives approx 42 mins for the express part of the route. would like to think there shouldn't be too much timekeeping issues.

Just got a email from Stagecoach:

Proposed Changes in Sunderland

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...ed-changes

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NEW Service X24 - Sunderland to Newcastle

As part of these proposed changes, we're thinking about introducing an inter-urban express route between Sunderland and Newcastle!
Buses would operate from Sunderland City Centre along Chester Road and then direct to Newcastle City Centre.

Service X24 would operate up to every 30 minutes during Monday to Saturday daytimes. The route in Sunderland City Centre would operate clockwise from Chester Road via St.Michael's Way, St.Mary's Way, John Street, Holmeside, Green Terrace and Chester Road. The timetable details are currently undergoing refinement and will be subject to the feedback we receive from you.

(09 Nov 2016, 11:23 am)Michael wrote Just got a email from Stagecoach:

Proposed Changes in Sunderland

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...ed-changes

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NEW Service X24 - Sunderland to Newcastle

As part of these proposed changes, we're thinking about introducing an inter-urban express route between Sunderland and Newcastle!
Buses would operate from Sunderland City Centre along Chester Road and then direct to Newcastle City Centre.

Service X24 would operate up to every 30 minutes during Monday to Saturday daytimes. The route in Sunderland City Centre would operate clockwise from Chester Road via St.Michael's Way, St.Mary's Way, John Street, Holmeside, Green Terrace and Chester Road. The timetable details are currently undergoing refinement and will be subject to the feedback we receive from you.

Very interesting... different to what I'd heard a bit ago unless that was another proposed idea shelved.

(09 Nov 2016, 3:43 pm)RBZ 5459 wrote Very interesting... different to what I'd heard a bit ago unless that was another proposed idea shelved.

Ye, wouldn't be surprised if it changed again after the questionnaire has finished.



At the minute i expect to see a lot of complaints about the proposed changes - meaning Stagecoach could change their idea's, no idea when it finishes though.

Without seeing any timetables it looks like Sunderland's overall PVR is going to be reduced by 2.

(09 Nov 2016, 4:29 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote Without seeing any timetables it looks like Sunderland's overall PVR is going to be reduced by 2.

Hopefully means that dart will finally go!

(09 Nov 2016, 4:30 pm)Michael wrote Hopefully means that dart will finally go!

Hopefully, I think 39709 will probably be leaving

(09 Nov 2016, 3:43 pm)RBZ 5459 wrote Very interesting... different to what I'd heard a bit ago unless that was another proposed idea shelved.

Think Chester Road brings hospital passengers into play, both from Sunderland and Newcastle, so gives them some guaranteed passenger flow, having recenly been a patient, I have heard a few visitors from newcastle end moaning about transport links.

(09 Nov 2016, 3:47 pm)Michael wrote Ye, wouldn't be surprised if it changed again after the questionnaire has finished.



At the minute i expect to see a lot of complaints about the proposed changes - meaning Stagecoach could change their idea's, no idea when it finishes though.

Feedback ends 27th November.

(09 Nov 2016, 9:09 am)ifm001 wrote From what I can make out so far, user 'deleted'  is a Sunderland based SNE employee so his statement of the X24 going City Centre -Chester Road -A19 - Gateshead and Newcastle appears to be the confirmation.

No more need for speculation on the Boldon corridor.

Yeah, in this instance I agree.
However my comments were about the corridor in general, not in relation to the X24 service.

Maybe I should have worded the post better.

(09 Nov 2016, 8:01 pm)cbma06 wrote Feedback ends 27th November.

Better get our views in quickly! 

Hopefully they do take peoples views seriously.

PB0001987/5 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Port Clarence and Hardwick given service number 58A effective from 11-Dec-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0001987/21 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stockton High Street and Stockton High Street given service number 58 effective from 11-Dec-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.

This will be the Durham Road reopening.

(09 Nov 2016, 4:29 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote Without seeing any timetables it looks like Sunderland's overall PVR is going to be reduced by 2.

Also looking at a frequency increase on one service that is not mentioned.

(10 Nov 2016, 10:14 pm)Deleted wrote Also looking at a frequency increase on one service that is not mentioned.

Wonder why Stagecoach didn't put it on the proposal thing.

(10 Nov 2016, 10:26 pm)Michael wrote Wonder why Stagecoach didn't put it on the proposal thing.

Because no one is going to object to an increase in frequency?

(11 Nov 2016, 12:00 am)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Because no one is going to object to an increase in frequency?

Never know these days!

(09 Nov 2016, 11:23 am)Michael wrote Just got a email from Stagecoach:

Proposed Changes in Sunderland

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...ed-changes

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NEW Service X24 - Sunderland to Newcastle

As part of these proposed changes, we're thinking about introducing an inter-urban express route between Sunderland and Newcastle!
Buses would operate from Sunderland City Centre along Chester Road and then direct to Newcastle City Centre.

Service X24 would operate up to every 30 minutes during Monday to Saturday daytimes. The route in Sunderland City Centre would operate clockwise from Chester Road via St.Michael's Way, St.Mary's Way, John Street, Holmeside, Green Terrace and Chester Road. The timetable details are currently undergoing refinement and will be subject to the feedback we receive from you.

Feedback for the above has changed from the 27th November to Thursday 24th November 2016.

Get your views in.

(10 Nov 2016, 10:14 pm)Deleted wrote Also looking at a frequency increase on one service that is not mentioned.

Id have thought it would be the 20? With the 8 is being removed from Hylton Road and the 18 reduced to hourly.

I've left feedback

(11 Nov 2016, 7:07 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote Id have thought it would be the 20? With the 8 is being removed from Hylton Road and the 18 reduced to hourly.

I would of thought half the 20's normal route in pennywell, while the other half turned right from Hylton road down to south Hylton replacing service 8.


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Why is the x20 have an x infront its nt an express bus in away

(11 Nov 2016, 11:11 pm)Gnebuspro91 wrote Why is the x20 have an x infront its nt an express bus in away

Was introduced way back in 1989 and was limited stop at the time between South Shields and Tyne Dock then all stops to Fellgate.  Had a few variations over the years but is commonly known as the X20 so prob won't ever change