(30 Nov 2016, 3:58 pm)Andreos1 wrote Without getting in to the nitty gritty, but I'd imagine management spoke to parents to see what demand would be like? I can't imagine it's a decision taken lightly, but there must have been some sort of analysis and planning to identify the demand and associated staffing arrangements.

Operators have stated previously that there isn't enough demand. Yet services haven't been introduced to check demand (or analyse trends) and as far as I'm aware haven't spoken to passengers to gauge a potential demand.

I would imagine so, not sure on that!

I do hope one year they'll have a normal service between the 27th and 30th December

There's clearly demand for Stagecoach to run a Saturday timetable with weekday diversions via Newburn Riverside and an almost weekday service to Cobalt on the 22. Along with extra peak times services on this, the X78 and the 6 and 7. But then, bus companies are still in the dark ages on Bank Holidays so what do you expect?

PB0002404 Standard International
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
PB0002404/41
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Operating between South Shields and Jarrow given service number 1011ss / 10 / 11 effective from 08 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.
Publication: N&P North East of England(2243), Short Notice Bus Registration Variation
Date: 02 Dec 2016

PB0002404 Standard International
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
PB0002404/264
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Operating between South Shields and Fellgate Estate given service number X20 / X20 effective from 08 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.
Publication: N&P North East of England(2243), Short Notice Bus Registration Variation
Date: 02 Dec 2016

(01 Dec 2016, 11:32 pm)markydh wrote PB0002404 Standard International
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
PB0002404/41
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Operating between South Shields and Jarrow given service number 1011ss / 10 / 11 effective from 08 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.
Publication: N&P North East of England(2243), Short Notice Bus Registration Variation
Date: 02 Dec 2016

PB0002404 Standard International
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
PB0002404/264
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Operating between South Shields and Fellgate Estate given service number X20 / X20 effective from 08 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.
Publication: N&P North East of England(2243), Short Notice Bus Registration Variation
Date: 02 Dec 2016

Guessing it will have something to do with road works

I was mucking around on VOSA and i typed Sunderland to Newcastle and the other Sunderland routes too...

Changes are set to take place on 29th January.

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...s-services

What part of the 8 is subsidised?

(02 Dec 2016, 7:37 pm)idiot wrote What part of the 8 is subsidised?

It'll be the 8X which is currently ran by Compass, on a evening and Sunday between South Hylton and Pennywell.

http://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/fi...050616.pdf

That's what I thought. But why say metro has effected the service so much when nexus pay for that bit?

(02 Dec 2016, 7:42 pm)idiot wrote That's what I thought. But why say metro has effected the service so much when nexus pay for that bit?

Not sure, probables for the OAP's, the money could be used else where.

The 18/19 changes are very interesting...

Would say..

18 is the service to Grangetown
18A is the service to Gilley Law

Both hourly with certain area's having a 30 minute frequency.

(02 Dec 2016, 7:13 pm)Michael wrote I was mucking around on VOSA and i typed Sunderland to Newcastle and look what appeared.

Did the other Sunderland routes too...

Will update when i find anymore


https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...s-services

What happened to the consultation,

(02 Dec 2016, 11:49 pm)makem1 wrote What happened to the consultation,

Not sure, the results aren't out yet (if they ever release them), VOSA only gives a brief on what the changes are.

I already post them before but these ones are from a email, they give more info on the changes... 

PB0002404/311
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ

From: Sunderland
To: Newcastle
Via:
Name or No.: X24 / X24
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 29 January 2017
Other details: X24.New service: Interurban express between Newcastle and Sunderland. Buses up to every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes.


Hmm still think it should be running 7 days a week,hopefully really early times and the last bus will be around 7pm from Newcastle.


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PB0002404/311BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ From: Sunderland To: Newcastle Via: Name or No.: X24 / X24Service type: Limited StopEffective date: 29 January 2017Other details: X24. New service: Interurban express between Newcastle and Sunderland. Buses up to every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes

PB0002404/17BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Red House Estate and Hastings Hill given service number 16 / 16 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Timetable.
 
PB0002404/16BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Pennywell and Grangetown given service number1011su / 10 / 11 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Timetable
 
PB0002404/18BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Sunderland and Grangetown or Gilley Law given service number 1819 / 18A /18 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.
 
B0002404/48BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Dene Estate and Thorney Close given service number 23 / 23 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Timetable.
 
PB0002404/19BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Fawcett Street and Pennywell given service number 20 / 20 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Timetable.
 
PB0002404/77BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Sunderland John Street and Doxford International given service number X1 / X1 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Timetable.

PB0002404/20BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Town End Farm, Hylton Castle and Doxford Park, Farringdon given service number 313 / 12 / 13 / 3 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.
 
PB0002404/89BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Newcastle, Pilgrim Street and Horsley Hill given service number X34 / X34 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Stopping Places and Timetable.
 
PB0002404/60BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Downhill and Doxford Park given service number 4su / 4 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002404/76BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ31 Operating between Sunderland City Centre and South Hylton given service number 8 / 8 effective from 29 January 2017. To amend Route and Timetable.
 
PB0002404/121BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ Operating between Docks or City and Farringdon given service number 55A / 5 effective from 29 January 2017

(09 Dec 2016, 1:27 am)Michael wrote I already post them before but these ones are from a email, they give more info on the changes... 

PB0002404/311
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ

From: Sunderland
To: Newcastle
Via:
Name or No.: X24 / X24
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 29 January 2017
Other details: X24.New service: Interurban express between Newcastle and Sunderland. Buses up to every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes.


Hmm still think it should be running 7 days a week,hopefully really early times and the last bus will be around 7pm from Newcastle.


Other services can be seen below:

Wonder what the change is to the X34.

(09 Dec 2016, 8:41 am)ifm001 wrote Wonder what the change is to the X34.

I hope it still servers Gateshead I use it to get to college

Thought the 2 was coming back to serve Farringdon and the 3 would only serve gilly law. 18/18a/55a looks interesting? Why does gilley law need a 3 5 13 18a 55a bit too much 
Pleased the x24 is direct to the toon. No boldon no Washington thank god

(10 Dec 2016, 12:00 am)Acky81 wrote Thought the 2 was coming back to serve Farringdon and the 3 would only serve gilly law. 18/18a/55a looks interesting? Why does gilley law need a 3 5 13 18a 55a bit too much 
Pleased the x24 is direct to the toon. No boldon no Washington thank god

Those were rumoured until Stagecoach launched the questionaire... doesn't mean the 2 might come back but it seems unlikly.

5 is withdrawn (was confirmed on the previous lot from VOSA). 55A is just the 5/5A i think but they missed a / out.


18/18A is Sunderland to Grangetown or Gilley Law - Both Hourly.

Was told this morning the 18 will remain the same as now but on a hourly bases.

18A should be Sunderland to Gilley law - route unknown - hourly

8 - not sure on the route change, could be going ahead with it replacing the 5 in Barnes BUT there was a lot of people against it.

4 - looks like it might go back down Durham road instead of Farra.

12 / 13 / 3 - not sure on that change, looks like the Gilley Law section is dropped on the 3 route so the route looks to be going back to Hylton Castle to Farra.


Once again, not really confirmed just what it looks like, so it's all speculation.

Stagecoach should be releasing full details soon.

Those were the days

(11 Dec 2016, 1:39 pm)Acky81 wrote Those were the days

I remember when i could get the 15/16 or the 21 home

It's likely the 2 won't be appearing, there's nothing on VOSA for it, even on a separate one.

(11 Dec 2016, 4:31 pm)Michael wrote I remember when i could get the 15/16 or the 21 home

It's likely the 2 won't be appearing, there's nothing on VOSA for it, even on a separate one.

And TWOC service 115 and 116


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(11 Dec 2016, 4:56 pm)cbma06 wrote And TWOC service 115 and 116


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, ye, also remember when the 18/19 ran on a evening and Sunday........... shame the service has lost a lot of passengers over the years, hopefully these changes will work.

According to a driver the 18 is running the same route but hourly... which is good but i just need to know if the 6:46am one from Grindon Lane is still running haha

(11 Dec 2016, 4:58 pm)Michael wrote , ye, also remember when the 18/19 ran on a evening and Sunday........... shame the service has lost a lot of passengers over the years, hopefully these changes will work.

According to a driver the 18 is running the same route but hourly... which is good but i just need to know if the 6:46am one from Grindon Lane is still running haha

Is the 18 still doing the grangetown to town section or terminating at grangetown in a loop.


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(11 Dec 2016, 5:15 pm)cbma06 wrote Is the 18 still doing the grangetown to town section or terminating at grangetown in a loop.


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Supposed to be same route as of now, so not sure.

The Vosa thing is confusing though, it starts in Sunderland (could be city centre?)

So the route could be: City Centre - Roker - Seaburn - Southwick - Pallion - Barnes - Springwell - Thorney close - Grindon - Pennywell - Pallion - Southwick - Roker - Seaburn - City Centre  

No idea, this is why i said they should release the changes early because they'll be confusing for a lot of people.

(11 Dec 2016, 5:15 pm)cbma06 wrote Is the 18 still doing the grangetown to town section or terminating at grangetown in a loop.


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I have a feeling the route will be the same as the current 19 from the town via Southwick as far as Pennywell Shops half hourly. Then once an hour continue to Grangetown on the current route and terminate there and the alternate bus will run down the Broadway to the roundabout then pick up the 5 route as far as Gilley Law. Could be a long way off but that seems to match with the VOSA registrations.

(12 Dec 2016, 6:30 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote I have a feeling the route will be the same as the current 19 from the town via Southwick as far as Pennywell Shops half hourly. Then once an hour continue to Grangetown on the current route and terminate there and the alternate bus will run down the Broadway to the roundabout then pick up the 5 route as far as Gilley Law. Could be a long way off but that seems to match with the VOSA registrations.

Sounds about right Dan. 

As long as i can get to work for 7:30am on a Monday - Friday - not really bothered about the changes, don't mind walking up to Grindon Lane for it, i do that anyway for the 6:46am bus.

(12 Dec 2016, 6:30 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote I have a feeling the route will be the same as the current 19 from the town via Southwick as far as Pennywell Shops half hourly. Then once an hour continue to Grangetown on the current route and terminate there and the alternate bus will run down the Broadway to the roundabout then pick up the 5 route as far as Gilley Law. Could be a long way off but that seems to match with the VOSA registrations.

When Stagecoach changed the 18 and 19 last time to go via Pennywell Shops, I emailed them a suggestion since service 18/19 and 5 uses the same type of bus, I made a proposal that the 18/19 to be renumbered as service 6 between Town and Seaburn (similar to the original service 106 before that service got cut between southwick and seaburn and service 6 went up to Witherwack) via Grindon and the service from Seaburn to Town via Roker as service 5 and extend service 5 from Town up to Farringdon/Gilley law providing new Links from South estates to Seaburn, the reply I got back saying that since the service has just been changed and there don't want the public passengers to be confused (I think stagecoach is doing quite good confusing passengers). I was told by a driver that the fella at stagecoach prefer to do his own bus changes his way without outside influence.

(12 Dec 2016, 7:12 pm)cbma06 wrote When Stagecoach changed the 18 and 19 last time to go via Pennywell Shops, I emailed them a suggestion since service 18/19 and 5 uses the same type of bus, I made a proposal that the 18/19 to be renumbered as service 6 between Town and Seaburn (similar to the original service 106 before that service got cut between southwick and seaburn and service 6 went up to Witherwack) via Grindon and the service from Seaburn to Town via Roker as service 5 and extend service 5 from Town up to Farringdon/Gilley law providing new Links from South estates to Seaburn, the reply I got back saying that since the service has just been changed and there don't want the public passengers to be confused (I think stagecoach is doing quite good confusing passengers). I was told by a driver that the fella at stagecoach prefer to do his own bus changes his way without outside influence.

So if true, basically the whole feedback part was just so they can turn around and say "we asked the public etc".

EDIT: Changes to Stagecoach service 68 on the 5th February 2017.

(13 Dec 2016, 9:02 am)Michael wrote Stagecoach have gained the 68, this will commence on the 5th February 2017.

They haven't gain it - this is their 68 for the DSS Tyneview Park

(13 Dec 2016, 9:11 am)Kuyoyo wrote They haven't gain it - this is their 68 for the DSS Tyneview Park

My bad, don't really know the Stagecoach services outside of Sunderland.

Should of checked before posting.

(13 Dec 2016, 9:19 am)Michael wrote My bad, don't really know the Stagecoach services outside of Sunderland.

Should of checked before posting.

The clue is were it states, supported by subsidys?........No.