(24 Jul 2023, 4:26 pm)V514DFT wrote If i were the boss (which im not) this is what i'd do
Current 36- numbered to 32 (since it interworks with the 30/31)
Current 32/32A- numbered to 33/33A
Allowing for your 36/37/38

Not sure they'd be allowed to renumber the 32/32A as it's a Nexus contract. 

Btw if I was going to renumber the 36, I'd probably go for the 13. It's a similarish route to the 12 and serves similar areas ie. Fenham but then you'd have to problem with the 36 existing and going to a different place, the 30/31 both serve Whickham View. Potential for all sorts of confusion there.

(24 Jul 2023, 6:29 pm)Storx wrote Not sure they'd be allowed to renumber the 32/32A as it's a Nexus contract. 

Btw if I was going to renumber the 36, I'd probably go for the 13. It's a similarish route to the 12 and serves similar areas ie. Fenham but then you'd have to problem with the 36 existing and going to a different place, the 30/31 both serve Whickham View. Potential for all sorts of confusion there.

Would there be an argumemt for renumbering the 38 to 15/16/17 as you would already have the 18 in that area.

(24 Jul 2023, 6:46 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Would there be an argumemt for renumbering the 38 to 15/16/17 as you would already have the 18 in that area.

Possibly, but then you'd lose the grouping along West Road (38/39/40). There's so many numbers that kinda would make sense but there's only two numbers available awkwardardly:

The 7/8/9 is another combo which could work as it's already combined with the 10 and 11 and advertise the 5 minute service along West Road or alternatively 12/13/14 but either the 7 or 12 would need renumbering.

The 7 could easily be renumbered 6A though tbh, it's just a variant so kind of would make sense anyway.

Just a thought.......but could the half-hourly 38 currently set to terminate at the Freeman not have a commercial battle against the 351?

From Freeman Hospital........South Gosforth Roundabout - Benton Park Road - Whitley Road - East Benton Rise Loop - Benton ASDA - Holystone - Holystone Park

Still a fairly direct (and more frequent) route in comparison to the 351 and hopefully the road conditions will improve once HMRC move longer term. Maybe an option once that eventually happens.

(24 Jul 2023, 3:57 pm)Storx wrote I must say I don't really get the numbering, surely a 38 (Freeman), 38A (Forest Hall), 38B (Cramlington) would've been less confusing. I would've said 36/37/38 but there's already a 36.

Yep, different destinations for a single number is nonsense and just a barrier to passenger confidence - though it's arguably no worse than the basketcase of GNEs 39s where some run to Doxford only and others extend to Washington but then throw the 39A and 39B into the mix as well.  I really don't get why the operators do it - there's oodles of unused numbers for them to play with and plenty of similar ish routes have completely unrelated numbers already so its not like it would've been the end of the world for Stagecoach to have gone for e.g. 27 & 28 for the Forest Hall and Cramlington runs

(24 Jul 2023, 7:55 pm)L469 YVK wrote Just a thought.......but could the half-hourly 38  currently set to terminate at the Freeman not have a commercial battle against the 351?

From Freeman Hospital........South Gosforth Roundabout - Benton Park Road - Whitley Road - East Benton Rise Loop - Benton ASDA - Holystone - Holystone Park

Still a fairly direct (and more frequent) route in comparison to the 351 and hopefully the road conditions will improve once HMRC move longer term. Maybe an option once that eventually happens.

I think you could run a horse and cart and come out on top in a commercial battle against any variation of the 51...

(24 Jul 2023, 9:21 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Yep, different destinations for a single number is nonsense and just a barrier to passenger confidence - though it's arguably no worse than the basketcase of GNEs 39s where some run to Doxford only and others extend to Washington but then throw the 39A and 39B into the mix as well.  I really don't get why the operators do it - there's oodles of unused numbers for them to play with and plenty of similar ish routes have completely unrelated numbers already so its not like it would've been the end of the world for Stagecoach to have gone for e.g. 27 & 28 for the Forest Hall and Cramlington runs

Aye totally agreed it's one of my pet hates. The GNE X1 was by far the worst when it had some going to Peterlee and some to Dalton Park which were two completely different routes. 

This one isn't far behind as it's as if they realised it would be confusing have two 38'd but then thought buggar it and done it aswell with some random 38A's added to the mix which ironically is a short extension.

Mind least we've finally scrapped A's and C's for loops they were really confusing. The 51/52/93/94 is a bit of a farce now though mind. Loop services apart from they aren't as they're severed at Gateshead and it's not clear either.

(24 Jul 2023, 7:55 pm)L469 YVK wrote Just a thought.......but could the half-hourly 38  currently set to terminate at the Freeman not have a commercial battle against the 351?

From Freeman Hospital........South Gosforth Roundabout - Benton Park Road - Whitley Road - East Benton Rise Loop - Benton ASDA - Holystone - Holystone Park

Still a fairly direct (and more frequent) route in comparison to the 351 and hopefully the road conditions will improve once HMRC move longer term. Maybe an option once that eventually happens.

Stagecoach already tried extending the 1 to Cobalt via Benton and Holystone and that didn't last long, so I doubt it.

(24 Jul 2023, 9:49 pm)Thomas12 wrote Stagecoach already tried extending the 1 to Cobalt via Benton and Holystone and that didn't last long, so I doubt it.

Difference being that the 1 didn't serve East Benton Rise or Holystone Park. Plus the 51/51A were half hourly via Holystone and the 1 doesn't exactly do the most direct route into Newcastle.

In the future, an extended 38 would likely work out well.

(24 Jul 2023, 11:22 pm)L469 YVK wrote Difference being that the 1 didn't serve East Benton Rise or Holystone Park. Plus the 51/51A were half hourly via Holystone and the 1 doesn't exactly do the most direct route into Newcastle.

In the future, an extended 38 would likely work out well.

The 51 clearly doesn't work that well considering it is being subsidised, and the 51A was scrapped. 

Why would an extended 38 work out well?

It’s a bit concerning Stagecoach are taking on extra work when there is still work from Walkergate being consistently cancelled.

This is how the 39/40 was operating this afternoon, disgraceful.

And yes, I know Go North East still have cancellations. But the depot operating the new services is not impacted by these.

https://ibb.co/wh21TPD

(25 Jul 2023, 5:23 pm)Thomas12 wrote It’s a bit concerning Stagecoach are taking on extra work when there is still work from Walkergate being consistently cancelled.

This is how the 39/40 was operating this afternoon, disgraceful.

And yes, I know Go North East still have cancellations. But the depot operating the new services is not impacted by these.

https://ibb.co/wh21TPD

There’s temporary lights at Denton Burn for the entirety of the 6 weeks Holiday, I suspect the cancellations are linked to buses being put right rather then driver shortages, and either way at least the Stagecoach app tells you it isn’t coming rather then the guesswork of the GNE one.


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(25 Jul 2023, 5:23 pm)Thomas12 wrote It’s a bit concerning Stagecoach are taking on extra work when there is still work from Walkergate being consistently cancelled.

This is how the 39/40 was operating this afternoon, disgraceful.

And yes, I know Go North East still have cancellations. But the depot operating the new services is not impacted by these.

https://ibb.co/wh21TPD

Thing is with GNE they're not adding services to depots with regular cancellations

(25 Jul 2023, 5:34 pm)pbjd wrote There’s temporary lights at Denton Burn for the entirety of the 6 weeks Holiday, I suspect the cancellations are linked to buses being put right rather then driver shortages, and either way at least the Stagecoach app tells you it isn’t coming rather then the guesswork of the GNE one.


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That would be fair enough if the service wasn’t as abysmal throughout the rest of the year.

(25 Jul 2023, 5:23 pm)Thomas12 wrote It’s a bit concerning Stagecoach are taking on extra work when there is still work from Walkergate being consistently cancelled.

This is how the 39/40 was operating this afternoon, disgraceful.

And yes, I know Go North East still have cancellations. But the depot operating the new services is not impacted by these.

https://ibb.co/wh21TPD

I have a feeling they might poach the drivers who are currently working from a portacabin at the side of their depot...

I don't know what the plans are but there might be some moving across. The unions have been very quiet considering the work the drivers were meant to be doing at Ashington doesn't exist anymore and there's no cancellations up this way lately - mind not sure if they're using agency staff still.

(25 Jul 2023, 6:06 pm)Thomas12 wrote That would be fair enough if the service wasn’t as abysmal throughout the rest of the year.

All the West Road services have been affected by various traffic light upgrades, sometimes in multiple locations at any one time along the entire length of the road, for months. This can sometimes double the amount of time it takes to get into and from the city centre. I’m sure there are driver-related cancellations but most of it is due to the roadworks at both ends of the route.

I know there is one driver just joined as its my mate thats just joined, its her 1st day today, since theyre extending the 38 back to Forest Hall after 20 years, maybe they coud bring back the 64/64A while theyre at it (that was a joke btw)

(25 Jul 2023, 6:36 pm)markydh wrote All the West Road services have been affected by various traffic light upgrades, sometimes in multiple locations at any one time along the entire length of the road, for months. This can sometimes double the amount of time it takes to get into and from the city centre. I’m sure there are driver-related cancellations but most of it is due to the roadworks at both ends of the route.

So surely there should be some temp timetable changes to assit with reliability, maybe an increase in PVR or two

(25 Jul 2023, 6:59 pm)V514DFT wrote I know there is one driver just joined as its my mate thats just joined, its her 1st day today, since theyre extending the 38 back to Forest Hall after 20 years, maybe they coud bring back the 64/64A while theyre at it (that was a joke btw)

When are they extending the 38?

(25 Jul 2023, 8:09 pm)j986986 wrote When are they extending the 38?

September

Are there likely to be any changes to the 62,63 or X63 services?


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(25 Jul 2023, 8:35 pm)j986986 wrote Are there likely to be any changes to the 62,63 or X63 services?


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X63 is going every 30 minutes

(25 Jul 2023, 9:05 pm)Busu284 wrote X63 is going every 30 minutes

Wow really, it’s going to be even busier then especially through the business parks at peak times


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(25 Jul 2023, 9:22 pm)j986986 wrote Wow really, it’s going to be even busier  then especially through the business parks at peak times


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Drivers I've spoken to said the X63 doesn't need to be every 20 atm cause of how dead it gets and I can agree. Even during the business hours when 22065 was on going into town he got half a load. Tbf 2 decekrs will see a good reason for the X63 going every 30 minute

There still be extra runs during the rush hours. It's just during the day (roughly 0930 - 1630) and on Saturdays that it's going to be every 30mins.

(23 Jul 2023, 8:25 pm)Michael wrote CSV:

X63 - Monday to Friday inter-peak and Saturday frequency reduced to every 30 minutes. Some early Saturday morning journeys withdrawn.

16 - Monday to Sunday regular service. Minor Monday to Friday morning timetable changes.

18/18A - Revised timetable: Monday - Friday 0709 trip from Gilley Law retimed to depart 12mins earlier at 0657.

18 - Monday to Friday journeys to/from Quorum extended further into business park. Other minor timetable changes.

317 - Revised route in North Shields to operate via the new Transport Hub. Minor timetable changes.

71, 87, 72 - Monday to Friday Peak frequencies revised to hourly (combined every 20 minutes). Monday to Saturday 1829 and 1857 Service 72 journeys withdrawn.

10/11 - Monday-Sunday regular service. Revised route and minor timing changes to some Mon-Fri AM trips to resolve stand clashes at new North Shields Transport Hub.

115 - School service

23 - Revised timetable: Monday - Friday peak journeys revised and minor frequency adjustment to every 17/18 minutes in the afternoon peak.

37/37A/38 - Service 37 introduced between Cramlington and Whickham View, every 30 minutes Mon to Sat daytimes, hourly evenings (with Nexus support) and Sundays. Some service 38 extended from Freeman Hospital to Meadway Estate, every 30 minutes, with Nexus support evenings and Sundays. Combined every 10 minutes between Freeman Hospital and Whickham View.

Which route will the 37 take? Will it be Freeman Hospital to Cramlington via Killingworth?


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(26 Jul 2023, 2:13 pm)j986986 wrote Which route will the 37 take? Will it be Freeman Hospital to Cramlington via Killingworth?


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It's following the 52 route from Freeman Hospital

Is 37A a mistake

Hmm interesting. The nexus list mentions that the 54 will still run between Newcastle & Whitley Bay Sunday & evenings

https://www.nexus.org.uk/news/item/chang...ember-2023

(26 Jul 2023, 6:01 pm)Busu284 wrote It's following the 52 route from Freeman Hospital

It's a slightly different route from Weetslade to Cramlington mind as it's driving half way down the B1321 and joining Fern Drive half way down at March Road. 

Don't believe any bus has every gone down there before as far as I'm aware but it serves pretty much all of Dudley / Annitsford where people are.

It's mentioned in the Nexus document.