I think this forum has taken a downturn in recent weeks and months with some of the silly arguments and such that has gone on and it is leaving some to think whether this is even worth their time anymore, even I'm thinking that I don't want a part of it anymore at times, especially on Monday's when the same stupid argument happens every week. I think I'd be on here even less if there wasn't reportings of Arriva Odd Workings in my area that I can go out and get photographs of for my Flickr. I think we are all going to have to think about what we are posting on here and stop the arguments as if we don't it's only going to get worse and it could lead to the forum administrators (current and future) not wanting to run this forum anymore.