Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - July 2017
Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - July 2017
(22 Jul 2017, 9:52 pm)Malarkey An E200MMC in the new Sapphire Livery on service 700 with Arriva Southern Counties and it looks awful - https://www.flickr.com/photos/thebestint...922837792/
(22 Jul 2017, 9:52 pm)Malarkey An E200MMC in the new Sapphire Livery on service 700 with Arriva Southern Counties and it looks awful - https://www.flickr.com/photos/thebestint...922837792/
(22 Jul 2017, 9:52 pm)Malarkey An E200MMC in the new Sapphire Livery on service 700 with Arriva Southern Counties and it looks awful - https://www.flickr.com/photos/thebestint...922837792/
(22 Jul 2017, 9:52 pm)Malarkey An E200MMC in the new Sapphire Livery on service 700 with Arriva Southern Counties and it looks awful - https://www.flickr.com/photos/thebestint...922837792/
In regards to Andreos' post above (stupid Tapatalk app won't quote the post).
I ain't a massive fan of the E200, especially more recent ones, rode a Stephensons of Easingwold old style E200 66 plate on Moorsbus a few months back and the rattles and shaking of panels from the back of the bus was Irritating (even when the bus was in motion), also rode a Stagecoach Yorkshire E200 MMC on the 22x from Barnsley to Rotherham and it sounded like it was plagued with mice as it was squeaking pretty much constantly.
Although it wasn't the smoothest, I still thought E400 MMC 7544 which I had back to Newcastle offered a more comfortable ride than the StreetDeck I got from Durham to Newcastle on the GNE X21 (was quieter too). Video of 7544: https://youtu.be/vz3zyNkX6rI
7551 has internal branding, theres just a few things that need fixing, then it'll be rolled out into 7541-50
(22 Jul 2017, 10:36 pm)Jimmi In regards to Andreos' post above (stupid Tapatalk app won't quote the post).
I ain't a massive fan of the E200, especially more recent ones, rode a Stephensons of Easingwold old style E200 66 plate on Moorsbus a few months back and the rattles and shaking of panels from the back of the bus was Irritating (even when the bus was in motion), also rode a Stagecoach Yorkshire E200 MMC on the 22x from Barnsley to Rotherham and it sounded like it was plagued with mice as it was squeaking pretty much constantly.
Although it wasn't the smoothest, I still thought E400 MMC 7544 which I had back to Newcastle offered a more comfortable ride than the StreetDeck I got from Durham to Newcastle on the GNE X21 (was quieter too). Video of 7544: https://youtu.be/vz3zyNkX6rI
(22 Jul 2017, 10:36 pm)Jimmi In regards to Andreos' post above (stupid Tapatalk app won't quote the post).
I ain't a massive fan of the E200, especially more recent ones, rode a Stephensons of Easingwold old style E200 66 plate on Moorsbus a few months back and the rattles and shaking of panels from the back of the bus was Irritating (even when the bus was in motion), also rode a Stagecoach Yorkshire E200 MMC on the 22x from Barnsley to Rotherham and it sounded like it was plagued with mice as it was squeaking pretty much constantly.
Although it wasn't the smoothest, I still thought E400 MMC 7544 which I had back to Newcastle offered a more comfortable ride than the StreetDeck I got from Durham to Newcastle on the GNE X21 (was quieter too). Video of 7544: https://youtu.be/vz3zyNkX6rI
(23 Jul 2017, 12:41 am)L469 YVK Just had a watch there and I struggled to notice that it was a Voith gearbox. Must say that these seem a tad queiter compared to previous voith gearboxed tridents / enviros as well as ZF examples.
Do ZF gearboxes no longer come as an option and if they do, can they come with stop / start?
(23 Jul 2017, 12:41 am)L469 YVK Just had a watch there and I struggled to notice that it was a Voith gearbox. Must say that these seem a tad queiter compared to previous voith gearboxed tridents / enviros as well as ZF examples.
Do ZF gearboxes no longer come as an option and if they do, can they come with stop / start?
They've only been properly in service for a day and I want the 57 regs back!
For some reason the doors only open/close in neutral, so that's extra idling time, the stop-start rubbish is rather annoying, as the lights flicker and the air con goes off.
Rather sluggish on the high speed sections of route too, totally unsuitable for the X21/X22, and the various other routes they run.
(22 Jul 2017, 9:59 pm)mb134 I quite like that, the light blue wrap around at the front looks rather smart imo.
(22 Jul 2017, 10:36 pm)Jimmi In regards to Andreos' post above (stupid Tapatalk app won't quote the post).
I ain't a massive fan of the E200, especially more recent ones, rode a Stephensons of Easingwold old style E200 66 plate on Moorsbus a few months back and the rattles and shaking of panels from the back of the bus was Irritating (even when the bus was in motion), also rode a Stagecoach Yorkshire E200 MMC on the 22x from Barnsley to Rotherham and it sounded like it was plagued with mice as it was squeaking pretty much constantly.
Although it wasn't the smoothest, I still thought E400 MMC 7544 which I had back to Newcastle offered a more comfortable ride than the StreetDeck I got from Durham to Newcastle on the GNE X21 (was quieter too). Video of 7544: https://youtu.be/vz3zyNkX6rI
(22 Jul 2017, 9:59 pm)mb134 I quite like that, the light blue wrap around at the front looks rather smart imo.
(22 Jul 2017, 10:36 pm)Jimmi In regards to Andreos' post above (stupid Tapatalk app won't quote the post).
I ain't a massive fan of the E200, especially more recent ones, rode a Stephensons of Easingwold old style E200 66 plate on Moorsbus a few months back and the rattles and shaking of panels from the back of the bus was Irritating (even when the bus was in motion), also rode a Stagecoach Yorkshire E200 MMC on the 22x from Barnsley to Rotherham and it sounded like it was plagued with mice as it was squeaking pretty much constantly.
Although it wasn't the smoothest, I still thought E400 MMC 7544 which I had back to Newcastle offered a more comfortable ride than the StreetDeck I got from Durham to Newcastle on the GNE X21 (was quieter too). Video of 7544: https://youtu.be/vz3zyNkX6rI
(19 Jul 2017, 3:38 pm)omnicity4659 I see there's been confusion over 7542, it entered service as 7542 and is on the allocation lists as 7542, but was delivered as 7544 and says that in the cab... It might have been miscommunication within the depot, suppose we'll have to wait and see what the vinyls say.
Anyone know which E400s are staying on the X21/22 with 7541-52? I assumed it was 7522-26, and some sightings yesterday backed that up, though there were some pictures of the 57 plates still in service.
(19 Jul 2017, 3:38 pm)omnicity4659 I see there's been confusion over 7542, it entered service as 7542 and is on the allocation lists as 7542, but was delivered as 7544 and says that in the cab... It might have been miscommunication within the depot, suppose we'll have to wait and see what the vinyls say.
(22 Jul 2017, 10:36 pm)Jimmi In regards to Andreos' post above (stupid Tapatalk app won't quote the post).
I ain't a massive fan of the E200, especially more recent ones, rode a Stephensons of Easingwold old style E200 66 plate on Moorsbus a few months back and the rattles and shaking of panels from the back of the bus was Irritating (even when the bus was in motion), also rode a Stagecoach Yorkshire E200 MMC on the 22x from Barnsley to Rotherham and it sounded like it was plagued with mice as it was squeaking pretty much constantly.
Although it wasn't the smoothest, I still thought E400 MMC 7544 which I had back to Newcastle offered a more comfortable ride than the StreetDeck I got from Durham to Newcastle on the GNE X21 (was quieter too). Video of 7544: https://youtu.be/vz3zyNkX6rI
(22 Jul 2017, 10:36 pm)Jimmi In regards to Andreos' post above (stupid Tapatalk app won't quote the post).
I ain't a massive fan of the E200, especially more recent ones, rode a Stephensons of Easingwold old style E200 66 plate on Moorsbus a few months back and the rattles and shaking of panels from the back of the bus was Irritating (even when the bus was in motion), also rode a Stagecoach Yorkshire E200 MMC on the 22x from Barnsley to Rotherham and it sounded like it was plagued with mice as it was squeaking pretty much constantly.
Although it wasn't the smoothest, I still thought E400 MMC 7544 which I had back to Newcastle offered a more comfortable ride than the StreetDeck I got from Durham to Newcastle on the GNE X21 (was quieter too). Video of 7544: https://youtu.be/vz3zyNkX6rI
(23 Jul 2017, 9:31 am)mb134 Anyone know which E400s are staying on the X21/22 with 7541-52? I assumed it was 7522-26, and some sightings yesterday backed that up, though there were some pictures of the 57 plates still in service.
Few days late with this, but the registrations for 7542-4 were meant to be NNP/R/T, however ADL messed up when registering them. In order to keep other details in the same order, they are now NNT/P/R.
(23 Jul 2017, 9:31 am)mb134 Anyone know which E400s are staying on the X21/22 with 7541-52? I assumed it was 7522-26, and some sightings yesterday backed that up, though there were some pictures of the 57 plates still in service.
Few days late with this, but the registrations for 7542-4 were meant to be NNP/R/T, however ADL messed up when registering them. In order to keep other details in the same order, they are now NNT/P/R.
(23 Jul 2017, 10:13 am)omnicity4659 7522/3/4/5/6 are staying, 7501/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/18/27/8 going.However, only 7518 ever carried a 'spare' livery - 7509 was fully branded.
Interestingly, only 7552 carries a spare livery, whereas 7509/18 were the spares, so if they don't want 2 Sapphire spares, another 14 reg could go.
(23 Jul 2017, 10:13 am)omnicity4659 7522/3/4/5/6 are staying, 7501/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/18/27/8 going.However, only 7518 ever carried a 'spare' livery - 7509 was fully branded.
Interestingly, only 7552 carries a spare livery, whereas 7509/18 were the spares, so if they don't want 2 Sapphire spares, another 14 reg could go.
(23 Jul 2017, 10:15 am)mb134
However, only 7518 ever carried a 'spare' livery - 7509 was fully branded.
(23 Jul 2017, 10:15 am)mb134
However, only 7518 ever carried a 'spare' livery - 7509 was fully branded.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:25 pm)Jimmi I also can't see how 7509 could be classed as a spare considering it's specific route branded for that service and probably saw just as much use as the other Sapphire 57 plates, surely by this logic, does this make 1516 Darlington's Sapphire spare, considering it is also fully route branded?
(23 Jul 2017, 12:25 pm)Jimmi I also can't see how 7509 could be classed as a spare considering it's specific route branded for that service and probably saw just as much use as the other Sapphire 57 plates, surely by this logic, does this make 1516 Darlington's Sapphire spare, considering it is also fully route branded?
(23 Jul 2017, 12:30 pm)mb134 I believe that 7509 being a 'spare' came from it being the last to be refurbished, and that it was only branded a few weeks after entering service. I think, if anything, 7509 was one of the most reliable performers, certainly I don't remember too many issues with it.
I think, if you look at the amount of time 7509 spent on the X21/22 compared to 7518, it's clear that 7518 was the 'spare' vehicle.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:30 pm)mb134 I believe that 7509 being a 'spare' came from it being the last to be refurbished, and that it was only branded a few weeks after entering service. I think, if anything, 7509 was one of the most reliable performers, certainly I don't remember too many issues with it.
I think, if you look at the amount of time 7509 spent on the X21/22 compared to 7518, it's clear that 7518 was the 'spare' vehicle.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:34 pm)Simmy I personally, with OCD..... hate the fact that we now have 17 regs in a new livery with white destination screens running alongside 14 regs liveried buses with orange destys...... For me it's a case of get the full set of buses or don't try at all.I *think* that only 12 were ordered as this covers the PVR of the 43/44/45. I'd hope they give the 14 plates white destinations and the new livery soon.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:35 pm)Jimmi From my limited experience of them, the only one's that seemed to struggle were the ones that got killed on the X93, whichever 57 plate I had on the X21 yesterday certainly wasn't struggling.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:34 pm)Simmy I personally, with OCD..... hate the fact that we now have 17 regs in a new livery with white destination screens running alongside 14 regs liveried buses with orange destys...... For me it's a case of get the full set of buses or don't try at all.I *think* that only 12 were ordered as this covers the PVR of the 43/44/45. I'd hope they give the 14 plates white destinations and the new livery soon.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:35 pm)Jimmi From my limited experience of them, the only one's that seemed to struggle were the ones that got killed on the X93, whichever 57 plate I had on the X21 yesterday certainly wasn't struggling.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:40 pm)mb134 I *think* that only 12 were ordered as this covers the PVR of the 43/44/45. I'd hope they give the 14 plates white destinations and the new livery soon.
At first, none of them were brilliant, especially in terms of reliability. Ashington seemed to work hard to get the best out of them. 7501-4 still aren't great, however I agree that the other ones are now in pretty good health. Certainly, the journeys I had on 7505/8/9 in the weeks before 7541-52 came were very enjoyable.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:40 pm)mb134 I *think* that only 12 were ordered as this covers the PVR of the 43/44/45. I'd hope they give the 14 plates white destinations and the new livery soon.
At first, none of them were brilliant, especially in terms of reliability. Ashington seemed to work hard to get the best out of them. 7501-4 still aren't great, however I agree that the other ones are now in pretty good health. Certainly, the journeys I had on 7505/8/9 in the weeks before 7541-52 came were very enjoyable.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:25 pm)Jimmi I also can't see how 7509 could be classed as a spare considering it's specific route branded for that service and probably saw just as much use as the other Sapphire 57 plates, surely by this logic, does this make 1516 Darlington's Sapphire spare, considering it is also fully route branded?
(23 Jul 2017, 12:40 pm)mb134 I *think* that only 12 were ordered as this covers the PVR of the 43/44/45. I'd hope they give the 14 plates white destinations and the new livery soon.
(23 Jul 2017, 12:25 pm)Jimmi I also can't see how 7509 could be classed as a spare considering it's specific route branded for that service and probably saw just as much use as the other Sapphire 57 plates, surely by this logic, does this make 1516 Darlington's Sapphire spare, considering it is also fully route branded?
(23 Jul 2017, 12:40 pm)mb134 I *think* that only 12 were ordered as this covers the PVR of the 43/44/45. I'd hope they give the 14 plates white destinations and the new livery soon.
(23 Jul 2017, 2:34 pm)peter I agree that 7509 is no more a spare vehicle than any other X21/2 branded example however I think the point trying to be made is that currently there is an extra X21/2 branded vehicle for the PVR as well as 7518 being the official spare. If by some miracle at any one time all vehicles were on the road - then there would be two vehicles left in the depot a X21/2 branded (7509 or any other) and the spare 7518.
It seems likely that with the less reliable 57-reg buses moving that rather than having 2 'spares' for the X21/2 and no spares for the 43/44/45 (12 new buses displace 12 buses to cover a PVR of 12) that an additional vehicle will transfer to Jesmond.
(23 Jul 2017, 2:34 pm)peter I agree that 7509 is no more a spare vehicle than any other X21/2 branded example however I think the point trying to be made is that currently there is an extra X21/2 branded vehicle for the PVR as well as 7518 being the official spare. If by some miracle at any one time all vehicles were on the road - then there would be two vehicles left in the depot a X21/2 branded (7509 or any other) and the spare 7518.
It seems likely that with the less reliable 57-reg buses moving that rather than having 2 'spares' for the X21/2 and no spares for the 43/44/45 (12 new buses displace 12 buses to cover a PVR of 12) that an additional vehicle will transfer to Jesmond.
