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(28 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm)Storx If that's true there's some stupid things but that would take a beating. How would that even work without competing against a commercial service (17A).
I slag councillors and Nexus up here, but it really feels like Houchon and his Tory cronies have gone on a full on war with Arriva and they're biting back aswell. They, at the end of the day, blocked the 1/2 service and seem to be refusing the rebursement for pensioners aswell from words mentioned in one of the latest Tees Valley news. It's starting to turn ugly down there lately and it won't end well for the public.
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(28 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm)Storx If that's true there's some stupid things but that would take a beating. How would that even work without competing against a commercial service (17A).
I slag councillors and Nexus up here, but it really feels like Houchon and his Tory cronies have gone on a full on war with Arriva and they're biting back aswell. They, at the end of the day, blocked the 1/2 service and seem to be refusing the rebursement for pensioners aswell from words mentioned in one of the latest Tees Valley news. It's starting to turn ugly down there lately and it won't end well for the public.
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:15 pm)tyresmoke The idea is it replaces the 17 between Ingleby & Yarm and then the 12 between Airport, Darlington & Hurworth (which Arriva are currently running on emergency tender). Assume it’ll run direct via Stockton & Ingleby via QE Way, so as not to compete with the 15 too much. It doesn’t cover any of the 17a though?!
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:15 pm)tyresmoke The idea is it replaces the 17 between Ingleby & Yarm and then the 12 between Airport, Darlington & Hurworth (which Arriva are currently running on emergency tender). Assume it’ll run direct via Stockton & Ingleby via QE Way, so as not to compete with the 15 too much. It doesn’t cover any of the 17a though?!
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:26 pm)Storx My apologies got the numbers mixed up, meant the 15.
Even then though it seems a bit silly to run an express against a commercial route. I could understand if it ran Ingleby (doing the loop) then to Yarm and beyond or even going elsewhere where services don't exist currently (it's the idea of them) ie across to Coulby Newham or somewhere. Not sure what the demand would be like but the A174 is clogged everynight so suggests some are heading that way and it's arguably better use of funds.
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:26 pm)Storx My apologies got the numbers mixed up, meant the 15.
Even then though it seems a bit silly to run an express against a commercial route. I could understand if it ran Ingleby (doing the loop) then to Yarm and beyond or even going elsewhere where services don't exist currently (it's the idea of them) ie across to Coulby Newham or somewhere. Not sure what the demand would be like but the A174 is clogged everynight so suggests some are heading that way and it's arguably better use of funds.
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest
All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest
All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.
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(28 Jul 2023, 9:06 pm)Storx Aye some fair points there, mind if they had 30 minutes. Wonder if they could've bolted it onto the 17 at the Darlington side, so it done the 12 route then run onto the 17 route. Seems a better use of money.
Assuming it'll be coming up for tender at the same time and the current 17 bus is sitting around doing nothing for 30 minutes by the looks of it.
(28 Jul 2023, 9:06 pm)Storx Aye some fair points there, mind if they had 30 minutes. Wonder if they could've bolted it onto the 17 at the Darlington side, so it done the 12 route then run onto the 17 route. Seems a better use of money.
Assuming it'll be coming up for tender at the same time and the current 17 bus is sitting around doing nothing for 30 minutes by the looks of it.
(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest
All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest
All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.
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(28 Jul 2023, 11:06 pm)Stuartphin1639 By all accounts the 17/18 are staying with Arriva, I’m sure there would be a way of interworking them albeit very hard to work out
(28 Jul 2023, 11:06 pm)Stuartphin1639 By all accounts the 17/18 are staying with Arriva, I’m sure there would be a way of interworking them albeit very hard to work out
(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest
All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.
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(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest
All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.
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(28 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm)Storx If that's true there's some stupid things but that would take a beating. How would that even work without competing against a commercial service (17A).
I slag councillors and Nexus up here, but it really feels like Houchon and his Tory cronies have gone on a full on war with Arriva and they're biting back aswell. They, at the end of the day, blocked the 1/2 service and seem to be refusing the rebursement for pensioners aswell from words mentioned in one of the latest Tees Valley news. It's starting to turn ugly down there lately and it won't end well for the public.
(28 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm)Storx If that's true there's some stupid things but that would take a beating. How would that even work without competing against a commercial service (17A).
I slag councillors and Nexus up here, but it really feels like Houchon and his Tory cronies have gone on a full on war with Arriva and they're biting back aswell. They, at the end of the day, blocked the 1/2 service and seem to be refusing the rebursement for pensioners aswell from words mentioned in one of the latest Tees Valley news. It's starting to turn ugly down there lately and it won't end well for the public.
(29 Jul 2023, 5:50 pm)col87 I agree something is not right I wonder if we might see this so called agreement ripped up and have the bus wars back because if I was Arriva I would be feeling more than a bit annoyed right now as this is very likely going to be a potential commercial service in the future. Ben will likely be doing this as another ego boost as once again like with the 1 and 2 it’s mostly duplicating a commercial service or in this case quite a few ( the 7, 15, X66/X67) while at the same time areas desperately in need of a service ( Stillington, Dalton Piecy) got next to nothing still.
(29 Jul 2023, 5:50 pm)col87 I agree something is not right I wonder if we might see this so called agreement ripped up and have the bus wars back because if I was Arriva I would be feeling more than a bit annoyed right now as this is very likely going to be a potential commercial service in the future. Ben will likely be doing this as another ego boost as once again like with the 1 and 2 it’s mostly duplicating a commercial service or in this case quite a few ( the 7, 15, X66/X67) while at the same time areas desperately in need of a service ( Stillington, Dalton Piecy) got next to nothing still.
(29 Jul 2023, 9:05 pm)Storx Honestly can't disagree if I had to be honest. It's certainly a bit bizarre, it's almost as the Tory clown is trying to look like he's doing something when he's in reality doing nothing. No doubt it'll be all about linking his fantasy airport aswell.
Arriva's and Houchens relations seem rock bottom lately though, it's just constant sniping and it's not exactly discreet either.
(29 Jul 2023, 9:05 pm)Storx Honestly can't disagree if I had to be honest. It's certainly a bit bizarre, it's almost as the Tory clown is trying to look like he's doing something when he's in reality doing nothing. No doubt it'll be all about linking his fantasy airport aswell.
Arriva's and Houchens relations seem rock bottom lately though, it's just constant sniping and it's not exactly discreet either.
(30 Jul 2023, 7:17 pm)col87 No it’s not discreet we will wait and see if Arriva try to block this route as well then because it will be surprising if they don’t.
When you consider at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for
Tees Flex
The Saltburn 1/2
The teesport 101
Now this 6/6A something is starting to look a bit suspicious. Tees flex is supposed to be for areas without a proper service yet at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for duplicates off the combined authority as Tees Flex could very easily cover all them.
At the moment all Ben and the combined authority are doing is mostly seeming to be giving Stagecoach money to duplicate areas that already are served by Arriva. The funding could have been used for Arriva to improve existing network. This is just potentially damaging relations between the two companies as the more Stagecoach go against Arriva the more Arriva are probably going to be tempted to fight back so could end up been both good and bad news for passengers.
(30 Jul 2023, 7:17 pm)col87 No it’s not discreet we will wait and see if Arriva try to block this route as well then because it will be surprising if they don’t.
When you consider at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for
Tees Flex
The Saltburn 1/2
The teesport 101
Now this 6/6A something is starting to look a bit suspicious. Tees flex is supposed to be for areas without a proper service yet at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for duplicates off the combined authority as Tees Flex could very easily cover all them.
At the moment all Ben and the combined authority are doing is mostly seeming to be giving Stagecoach money to duplicate areas that already are served by Arriva. The funding could have been used for Arriva to improve existing network. This is just potentially damaging relations between the two companies as the more Stagecoach go against Arriva the more Arriva are probably going to be tempted to fight back so could end up been both good and bad news for passengers.
(30 Jul 2023, 7:56 pm)RobinHood With some 'inside' knowledge that I do have, Arriva have already warned TVCA that if they start this new service early, they will flag it with the Traffic Commissioner (Ironically Stagecoach were thankful that Arriva did it last time as they didn't have the staff for the 1/2 given Ben extended TeesFlex at the same time).
(30 Jul 2023, 7:56 pm)RobinHood With some 'inside' knowledge that I do have, Arriva have already warned TVCA that if they start this new service early, they will flag it with the Traffic Commissioner (Ironically Stagecoach were thankful that Arriva did it last time as they didn't have the staff for the 1/2 given Ben extended TeesFlex at the same time).
(30 Jul 2023, 7:53 pm)tyresmoke They all went out to competitive tender… and Stagecoach are going in quite cheap at the minute to win contract work…
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(30 Jul 2023, 7:53 pm)tyresmoke They all went out to competitive tender… and Stagecoach are going in quite cheap at the minute to win contract work…
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(30 Jul 2023, 7:17 pm)col87 No it’s not discreet we will wait and see if Arriva try to block this route as well then because it will be surprising if they don’t.
When you consider at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for
Tees Flex
The Saltburn 1/2
The teesport 101
Now this 6/6A something is starting to look a bit suspicious. Tees flex is supposed to be for areas without a proper service yet at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for duplicates off the combined authority as Tees Flex could very easily cover all them.
At the moment all Ben and the combined authority are doing is mostly seeming to be giving Stagecoach money to duplicate areas that already are served by Arriva. The funding could have been used for Arriva to improve existing network. This is just potentially damaging relations between the two companies as the more Stagecoach go against Arriva the more Arriva are probably going to be tempted to fight back so could end up been both good and bad news for passengers.
(30 Jul 2023, 7:17 pm)col87 No it’s not discreet we will wait and see if Arriva try to block this route as well then because it will be surprising if they don’t.
When you consider at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for
Tees Flex
The Saltburn 1/2
The teesport 101
Now this 6/6A something is starting to look a bit suspicious. Tees flex is supposed to be for areas without a proper service yet at the moment Stagecoach are getting funding for duplicates off the combined authority as Tees Flex could very easily cover all them.
At the moment all Ben and the combined authority are doing is mostly seeming to be giving Stagecoach money to duplicate areas that already are served by Arriva. The funding could have been used for Arriva to improve existing network. This is just potentially damaging relations between the two companies as the more Stagecoach go against Arriva the more Arriva are probably going to be tempted to fight back so could end up been both good and bad news for passengers.
(30 Jul 2023, 7:56 pm)RobinHood With some 'inside' knowledge that I do have, Arriva have already warned TVCA that if they start this new service early, they will flag it with the Traffic Commissioner (Ironically Stagecoach were thankful that Arriva did it last time as they didn't have the staff for the 1/2 given Ben extended TeesFlex at the same time).Arriva might well have had a good relationship with Stagecoach however at the moment I get the impression especially with things like this it might not last. It will certainly be interesting though to see if Stagecoach take it on commercially or even consider going back into the Darlington area with other services
I'm sure we will all have views on this (whether it is right or wrong), but the fact the traffic commissioner blocked the 1/2 earlier this year suggests that Arriva were right to object, as it was against legislation. The notice period is to ensure fair competition.
Arriva have a good working relationship with Stagecoach, they aren't about to start a bus war.
The new Service 6/6A is only until March 2024, pending further funding hopes. Without that, it's gone as quickly as it arrived.
I do agree though, the millions poured into securing whole new services over the top of existing network could have been better used to benefit many more people. Imagine how many evenings, Sundays or smaller ad-hoc improvements could have been made within the Tees Valley? Instead TVCA spaffing their £1.5mil BSIP+ funding up the wall like a kid in a sweet shop with the first fiver he's ever had.
Clearly, TVCA have little intelligence within their respective public transport officers. Shame really, as local people should have been able to vote or have some kind of say on how that money should have been spent. Even if it was ring-fenced on specific things.
(30 Jul 2023, 7:56 pm)RobinHood With some 'inside' knowledge that I do have, Arriva have already warned TVCA that if they start this new service early, they will flag it with the Traffic Commissioner (Ironically Stagecoach were thankful that Arriva did it last time as they didn't have the staff for the 1/2 given Ben extended TeesFlex at the same time).Arriva might well have had a good relationship with Stagecoach however at the moment I get the impression especially with things like this it might not last. It will certainly be interesting though to see if Stagecoach take it on commercially or even consider going back into the Darlington area with other services
I'm sure we will all have views on this (whether it is right or wrong), but the fact the traffic commissioner blocked the 1/2 earlier this year suggests that Arriva were right to object, as it was against legislation. The notice period is to ensure fair competition.
Arriva have a good working relationship with Stagecoach, they aren't about to start a bus war.
The new Service 6/6A is only until March 2024, pending further funding hopes. Without that, it's gone as quickly as it arrived.
I do agree though, the millions poured into securing whole new services over the top of existing network could have been better used to benefit many more people. Imagine how many evenings, Sundays or smaller ad-hoc improvements could have been made within the Tees Valley? Instead TVCA spaffing their £1.5mil BSIP+ funding up the wall like a kid in a sweet shop with the first fiver he's ever had.
Clearly, TVCA have little intelligence within their respective public transport officers. Shame really, as local people should have been able to vote or have some kind of say on how that money should have been spent. Even if it was ring-fenced on specific things.
(31 Jul 2023, 2:47 pm)Ryland Where would the 6/6a run from
Do feel we need a service connecting redcar and marske back up with Stockton
(31 Jul 2023, 2:47 pm)Ryland Where would the 6/6a run from
Do feel we need a service connecting redcar and marske back up with Stockton
(31 Jul 2023, 2:47 pm)Ryland Where would the 6/6a run from
Do feel we need a service connecting redcar and marske back up with Stockton
(31 Jul 2023, 2:47 pm)Ryland Where would the 6/6a run from
Do feel we need a service connecting redcar and marske back up with Stockton
(31 Jul 2023, 4:19 pm)col87 It’s going to be Stockton - Darlington via Ingleby Barwick, Yarm and Teesside Airport.
They possible scoop for a summer service between Stockton and Redcar but not sure it would work all year round.
(31 Jul 2023, 4:19 pm)col87 It’s going to be Stockton - Darlington via Ingleby Barwick, Yarm and Teesside Airport.
They possible scoop for a summer service between Stockton and Redcar but not sure it would work all year round.
