Sure they wont get rid of omnicities for them though on 19

Heard that percy main could be getting all the 9 and would possibly work out as
North shields- sunderland
Sunderland-jarrow
Jarrow-sunderland
Sunderland-north shields.

No too sure how they would do it time wise

(07 Feb 2016, 9:36 pm)dannygee wrote Sure they wont get rid of omnicities for them though on 19

I'm in the same boat as you, i think they'll stay on the 19.

(07 Feb 2016, 9:39 pm)Michael wrote I'm in the same boat as you, i think they'll stay on the 19.

Yep the need something with power on that route also comfy for passengers and reliability.

4. peterlee-easington- hetton- -hougton- fence houses - shiney row - fatfield-washington - concord- heworth
X6 peterlee-blackhall-hartlerpoool
X20 south shields-cleadon-sunderland-east Herrington-doxford international-hougton-hetton-east rainton-belmont -Durham
4 replaces x35 peterlee to -hougton at every 30 mins hourly on Sunday
X6 close numbers to 206 but express through to Hartlepool
X20 hourly normal route to east Herrington then does the x35 to hetton to then replace service 168 to east rainton then limited stop to Durham

(07 Feb 2016, 9:50 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote 4. peterlee-easington- hetton- -hougton- fence houses - shiney row - fatfield-washington  - concord- heworth
X6 peterlee-blackhall-hartlerpoool
X20 south shields-cleadon-sunderland-east Herrington-doxford international-hougton-hetton-east rainton-belmont -Durham
4 replaces x35 peterlee to -hougton at every 30 mins hourly on Sunday
X6 close numbers to 206 but express through to Hartlepool
X20 hourly normal route to east Herrington then does the x35 to hetton to then replace service 168 to east rainton then limited stop to Durham

RE 4: I can see the benefit of a Peterlee - Washington link, though this is fairly easy via a number of routes with a change now. I did like the extension of the X1 to Peterlee on evenings and Sundays way back in 2007 and later the 35. 

RE X6: Do you propose this as the existing X35 Coast Rd route or via Wingate & Hutton Henry as you mention the 206?

RE X35: Would the X35 be kept Houghton - Sunderland only?

(08 Feb 2016, 12:00 am)James101 wrote RE 4: I can see the benefit of a Peterlee - Washington link, though this is fairly easy via a number of routes with a change now. I did like the extension of the X1 to Peterlee on evenings and Sundays way back in 2007 and later the 35. 

RE X6: Do you propose this as the existing X35 Coast Rd route or via Wingate & Hutton Henry as you mention the 206?

RE X35: Would the X35 be kept Houghton - Sunderland only?

Via coast road.
No the x20 will be hourly and will replace service x35 -hougton to Sunderland

In hetton a suggestion
265 seaham-dolton park- hetton le hole - east rainton- Durham city retail park -Durham
35 boldon- Sunderland - hougton-hetton downs ,-hetton le hole -low moorsley-durham city retail park.-durham
This suggestion will see service 168 replaced hetton downs by 35 east rainton by 265 and easington lane by alternative buses.
265 kept hourly from east rainton its direct to Belmont
35 every 30 mins but hourly between Durham and moorsley

I had a thought yesterday that the 50 and 82 could integrate somewhere in addition to the changes to the 5.

Having had a look at the timetables and fleet lists, I think this is do-able.
Whether it fits in with rotas and other issues, I am not sure at this stage.
5243-46 would move from Percy Main as a result and will be replaced with the Eclipses from Riverside.

50
Stays as is on half hourly frequency.
PVR 6.

50A
Durham
A167
Chester
Birtley (follows old 551 route to make up for withdrawal of the 82/82A and then continues to Peel/Barmston Slip Road via 82 route via Westerhope Road/Barmston Centre. I have timed it going through Vigo and Barley Mow, but I am pretty sure the roads wouldn't be suitable for an Omni).
Waterview Park
Boldon
Follows 5 route to Jarrow.
PVR 4.

The 50A would take some pressure away from the 21 on the southern section of the route and aid competition with the X12. I don't think the section around Waldridge warrants an increase in frequency to every 15 minutes.

To ensure Rickleton has a connection to Washington following the withdrawal of the 82/82A, the 84 will be introduced.

84
Coach Road/Donwell Bus Link
Concord
Peel Retail Park
Waskerley Road
Biddick
Galleries
Lambton
Harraton
Rickleton
Ayton
PVR 2.

(07 Feb 2016, 9:50 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote 4. peterlee-easington- hetton- -hougton- fence houses - shiney row - fatfield-washington  - concord- heworth
X6 peterlee-blackhall-hartlerpoool
X20 south shields-cleadon-sunderland-east Herrington-doxford international-hougton-hetton-east rainton-belmont -Durham
4 replaces x35 peterlee to -hougton at every 30 mins hourly on Sunday
X6 close numbers to 206 but express through to Hartlepool
X20 hourly normal route to east Herrington then does the x35 to hetton to then replace service 168 to east rainton then limited stop to Durham

 the X20 idea has already been done before, GNE took it off due to it wasn't any quicker as it almost followed the 535 and 220 at the time, service 20 does it now

following the proposed service suggestions around peterlee and Houghton areas, im just glad that there are not real suggestions as the bus company would be bankrupt. and more passengers will have to change buses a few times more to get to there destinations.

Speaking about depots gaining runs.....

Is there an argument for 2 diagrams of the X9/X10 being ran from Peterlee? I imagine the 05:10 and 05:27 from Gateshead can't carry any passengers southbound and are more positioning runs for the peak northbounds from Middlesbrough.

If these first two departed from Peterlee instead, it would wipe out 50 miles based on two buses running from Riverside to Peterlee empty. I'm aware Peterlee is a low cost operation and Tyne Tees drivers (I think) are on an enhanced rate of pay but shifts could be organised so Peterlee drivers are taken off at the earliest opportunity and riverside drivers could have breaks in Peterlee.

This would also allow two later departures from Newcastle at 21:15 and 22:15 to match the later departures Middlesbrough currently gets and Newcastle doesn't.

(08 Feb 2016, 6:06 pm)James101 wrote Speaking about depots gaining runs.....

Is there an argument for 2 diagrams of the X9/X10 being ran from Peterlee? I imagine the 05:10 and 05:27 from Gateshead can't carry any passengers southbound and are more positioning runs for the peak northbounds from Middlesbrough.

If these first two departed from Peterlee instead, it would wipe out 50 miles based on two buses running from Riverside to Peterlee empty. I'm aware Peterlee is a low cost operation and Tyne Tees drivers (I think) are on an enhanced rate of pay but shifts could be organised so Peterlee drivers are taken off at the earliest opportunity and riverside drivers could have breaks in Peterlee.

This would also allow two later departures from Newcastle at 21:15 and 22:15 to match the later departures Middlesbrough currently gets and Newcastle doesn't.

l told the MD at GNE at the time when Arriva closed peterlee depot, that their should purchase the peterlee depot and take off the low cost unit for the depot, and have the X9/X10, peterlee locals (east durham buses at the time), X35, 60 and 61 services starting in the morning from peterlee and ending on the last journeys at peterlee and close Washington depot down and transfer the buses over to Deptford. I even sent an email to Arriva if there would consider negotiate a deal for the depot, and I got an email back from the management with details and also asked what my relation to GNE. But GNE just wanted to see what the fall out was for the bus services after the depot closed but Arriva ran the services from other depots in the region.

Now may be long but
X10 Newcastle-gateshead-heworth-east Herrington-sunderland - seaham -peterlee  -direct to Norton - Stockton - Middlesbrough all in less than 2 hours
Quicker than x12
PVR 4  6043-46 with 6047 as spare
The x9 will remain the same at a pvr 4
6048--6071-6084
The interwork pattern
X10 Newcastle to Middlesbrough
30 mins layover
X9 Middlesbrough to Newcastle
Then back on x10
The x7 will be PVR 2 and will allow 5333 to transfer to riverside to replace 6084
Then with the x10 Sunderland to Newcastle via east Herrington it can allow service x36 to ternamate at downhill
Same pvr

(08 Feb 2016, 6:43 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote Now may be long but
X10 Newcastle-gateshead-heworth-east Herrington-sunderland - seaham -peterlee  -direct to Norton - Stockton - Middlesbrough all in less than 2 hours
Quicker than x12
PVR 4  6043-46 with 6047 as spare
The x9 will remain the same at a pvr 4
6048--6071-6084
The interwork pattern
X10 Newcastle to Middlesbrough
30 mins layover
X9 Middlesbrough to Newcastle
Then back on x10
The x7 will be PVR 2 and will allow 5333 to transfer to riverside to replace 6084
Then with the x10 Sunderland to Newcastle via east Herrington it can allow service x36 to ternamate at downhill
Same pvr

Why go via East Herrington on the way to Sunderland? Surely it would be quicker going direct via the A184 between Heworth and Sunderland? 

It's a no from me!!

Couple I've thought up.

40/41/80 changes:

40/41 merged with the 80.

Wallsend » Rosehill » Howdon » Hadrian Park » Battle Hill Drive » High Farm » Station Road » Wallsend » Rosehill » Howdon » Cobalt » New York » North Tyneside Hospital » Billy Mill » Hawkey's Lane » North Shields. = 162 minutes round trip.

Every 20 minutes = 9 PVR - Stay as North Tyne Links.

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9 replacing the 80....

Sunderland » Fulwell » Boldon » Hedworth » York Avenue » Jarrow » Tyne Tunnel » North Shields » Hawkey's Lane » Billy Mill » North Tyneside Hospital » New York » Cobalt » Howdon » Rosehill » Wallsend - 200 minutes round trip on a 30 minute frequency, with PVR 7.


New links back to Sunderland from Wallsend, along with North Tyneside Hospital, vice versa.

30. Doxford international-silksworth-ryhope village-grangetown-sunderland interchange-royal hospital-silksworth-doxford international
30a Doxford international-silksworth-royal hospital-sunderland city-grangetown - ryhope - silksworth -doxford international
33 silksworth-barnes-sunderland interchange-chester road - pennywell
99 Sunderland -palion -casletown-downhill - southwick -seaburn
38 -hougton -east Herrington- doxford park - tunstall bank - hollycarside -Sunderland
The 30/30a will be a circular service
33 a service linking pennywell to Sunderland then to silksworth
99 old show stopper route but at every hour
38 rerouted through doxford park to give Doxford park a extra bus
Pvr
30 PVR 2
30a pvr 2
33 PVR 3
The 30/30a will use cadets 8267-69./72
The 33 will use Renown's
Doxford park will have 3 buses per hour to Sunderland
Silksworth will have a 15 minute service to Sunderland
With a choice service to royal hospital at every 15 mins

Sunderland hospital has plenty of buses, it doesn't need anymore.

The Cadets will be gone soon so i would change the allocation of the 30/30A.

(08 Feb 2016, 9:39 pm)Michael wrote Sunderland hospital has plenty of buses, it doesn't need anymore.

The Cadets will be gone soon so i would change the allocation of the 30/30A.

your absolutely right it doesn't need any more buses to the hospital its got plenty of buses going there anyways i say the services are fine in Sunderland anyways no need for changes if it works it works and stays if it doesn't it doesn't and the service ultimately gets withdrawn either due to low passenger numbers or not much funding to run it

(08 Feb 2016, 9:26 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote 30. Doxford international-silksworth-ryhope village-grangetown-sunderland interchange-royal hospital-silksworth-doxford international
30a Doxford international-silksworth-royal hospital-sunderland city-grangetown - ryhope - silksworth -doxford international
33 silksworth-barnes-sunderland interchange-chester road - pennywell
99 Sunderland -palion -casletown-downhill - southwick  -seaburn
38 -hougton -east Herrington- doxford park - tunstall bank - hollycarside -Sunderland
The 30/30a will be a circular service
33 a service linking pennywell to Sunderland then to silksworth
99 old show stopper route but at every hour
38 rerouted through doxford park to give Doxford park a extra bus
Pvr
30 PVR 2
30a pvr 2
33 PVR 3
The 30/30a will use cadets 8267-69./72
The 33 will use Renown's
Doxford park will have 3 buses per hour to Sunderland
Silksworth will have a 15 minute service to Sunderland
With a choice service to royal hospital at every 15 mins

99 is a pointless service it doesn't work one of my mates who lives on the 99 route said it doesn't pick up passengers
Cadets are going this year

56 Sunderland-southwick-concord-wrekenton-gateshead-metro centre
56 to be extended to metro centre to replace the x66
More capacity on the service which means not as many are left behind
Service x88 to run Washington to metro centre only
And ran by riverside
Passengers for Newcastle can do
Sunderland iether train or metro or x36
Southwick x36
Hylton castle 56 to Gateshead then any bus to Newcastle
Concord 4 to heworth then 27
Wrekenton x1 or x25
Gateshead any other service
Doing this the PVR will increase by 1
Riverside to gain 2 runs
6084 and 6100 to transfer

(08 Feb 2016, 10:44 pm)Diamond One wrote your absolutely right it doesn't need any more buses to the hospital its got plenty of buses going there anyways i say the services are fine in Sunderland anyways no need for changes if it works it works and stays if it doesn't it doesn't and the service ultimately gets withdrawn either due to low passenger numbers or not much funding to run it

Defo, i agree the changes which GNE made in Sunderland last time are currently working, no need to change them. 

I do like reading other peoples suggestions, some of these are quite good.

I'm not saying people should stop suggesting routes....

(08 Feb 2016, 10:56 pm)Michael wrote Defo, i agree the changes which GNE made in Sunderland last time are currently working, no need to change them. 

I do like reading other peoples suggestions, some of these are quite good.

I'm not saying people should stop suggesting routes....

when you do the routes it seems more than likely it will happen 9 could do with better vehicles on there as i say if it works it works no need to change unless passenger numbers drop slightly

(08 Feb 2016, 10:59 pm)Diamond One wrote when you do the routes it seems more than likely it will happen 9 could do with better vehicles on there as i say if it works it works no need to change unless passenger numbers drop slightly

How come?, my suggestions earlier was just putting 2 routes together haha.

The 9 needs better buses but nothing new, maybe the Scania's from the Prince Bishops?

Does the 9 still need to use a decker during one of its runs?, if not, the whole route should be Scania once the Steetlites arrive.

(08 Feb 2016, 10:55 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote 56 Sunderland-southwick-concord-wrekenton-gateshead-metro centre
56 to be extended to metro centre to replace the x66
More capacity on the service which means not as many are left behind
Service x88 to run Washington to metro centre only
And ran by riverside
Passengers for Newcastle can do
Sunderland iether train or metro or x36
Southwick x36
Hylton castle 56 to Gateshead then any bus to Newcastle
Concord 4 to heworth then 27
Wrekenton x1 or x25
Gateshead any other service
Doing this the PVR will increase by 1
Riverside to gain 2 runs
6084 and 6100 to transfer

How will this work? If people get left behind on the X66, the next bus is only moments away...

I still think the X66 and S1 should interwork, meaning a frequent service around MetroCentre, of course two extra vehicles would need to be sourced to keep the service every few minutes.

(08 Feb 2016, 11:04 pm)Michael wrote How come?, my suggestions earlier was just putting 2 routes together haha.

The 9 needs better buses but nothing new, maybe the Scania's from the Prince Bishops?

Does the 9 still need to use a decker during one of its runs?, if not, the whole route should be Scania once the Steetlites arrive.

only 1 decker is required for 1 run to interwork with scholars i like your idea though

i think the scanias from prince bishop will end up on 9 i will be content would be ideal replacing all the old stuff on there

(08 Feb 2016, 11:07 pm)Diamond One wrote only 1 decker is required for 1 run to interwork with scholars i like your idea though

i think the scanias from prince bishop will end up on 9 i will be content would be ideal replacing all the old stuff on there

The route is the nearly the same as when it was branded  "Cross Tyne", a brand which should be brought back, it would look good on the Scania's and they wouldn't need repainting either.

(08 Feb 2016, 11:13 pm)Michael wrote The route is the nearly the same as when it was branded  "Cross Tyne", a brand which should be brought back, it would look good on the Scania's and they wouldn't need repainting either.

only just slight modifications except revised livery

X22 crook-durham-chester le street -metro centre
Replaces x46 but more journeys to crook
Hourly pvr 3
1x crook 2x chester
Hourly service crook to durham
Also providing a link to chester or metro centre from crook plus if the x21 gets a new brand the x22 can have pronto

(09 Feb 2016, 8:06 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote X22 crook-durham-chester le street -metro centre
Replaces x46 but more journeys to crook
Hourly pvr 3
1x crook 2x chester
Hourly service crook to durham
Also providing a link to chester or metro centre from crook plus if the x21 gets a new brand the x22 can have pronto

As it's been mentioned several times now, a hourly service to Crook will struggle to compete with the Arriva 46 which runs on a 20 minute frequency.

(09 Feb 2016, 8:06 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote X22 crook-durham-chester le street -metro centre
Replaces x46 but more journeys to crook
Hourly pvr 3
1x crook 2x chester
Hourly service crook to durham
Also providing a link to chester or metro centre from crook plus if the x21 gets a new brand the x22 can have pronto

Won't work i agree with Jimmi on this one 

(09 Feb 2016, 8:17 pm)Jimmi wrote As it's been mentioned several times now, a hourly service to Crook will struggle to compete with the Arriva 46 which runs on a 20 minute frequency.

i agree with you