(13 Apr 2016, 10:02 am)Andreos1 wrote What about the 2?

They go different ways - the 12 follows the same route as the 33 while the 2/2A go via Ryhope.

(13 Apr 2016, 11:03 am)Kuyoyo wrote They go different ways - the 12 follows the same route as the 33 while the 2/2A go via Ryhope.

Whilst I understand the 33 and 12 shadow each other and obviously the 2 operates between Silksworth and Sunderland City Centre - it gives passengers an alternative, despite the 2 not being in direct competition for places between those points.

Obviously ticketing options play a part too.
The Silksworth Saver being valid on both the 2 and 33 in addition to the Sunderland day/week ticket and the red zone (plus whatever other colour that can be added) ticket.

(12 Apr 2016, 9:11 pm)Michael wrote PVRs if they drop to every 12 minutes: (Think it'll be right) also not incuding the likes of the 8/10/11/18/19 as they arent every 10 minutes.

I hope mrnut85 hasn't wasted your time, there, Michael. 

(13 Apr 2016, 11:46 am)Dan wrote I hope mrnut85 hasn't wasted your time, there, Michael. 

Well if i have, least we'll know for future referance in case they ever do!

Id be very surprised if the main core routes 3/4/13/16 were dropped to every 12 minutes. I could understand the 12 but that does still get busy at times. Is it not something to do with allowing 2 way traffic on Bridge Street?

For Michael, Sunderland PVR will drop by 5, 1 from the 5 /5A and 4 from the 12. Hope this helps a bit Michael. Forget about the 12 minute frequency, it's not happening. A couple of interesting route changes are happening, one or two places being served that are not currently served but I can't say any more.

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Does this mean we will see the 5/5A and the 33 going down to docks until the Stagecoach changes come in to force?
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Yes!

(13 Apr 2016, 3:54 pm)Deleted wrote For Michael, Sunderland PVR will drop by 5, 1 from the 5 /5A and 4 from the 12. Hope this helps a bit Michael. Forget about the 12 minute frequency, it's not happening. A couple of interesting route changes are happening, one or two places being served that are not currently served but I can't say any more.

I thought the PVR was going to reduce by more vehicles than that - with the reduction spread across different services and not just the 12..? What about the 18/19?

Note that the 12 hasn't been cancelled completely, but is linked to the registration of the 13.

(12 Apr 2016, 4:52 pm)Dan wrote I don't think service 12 will be withdrawn completely - it is in a combined registration with services 3 and 13.

Its a historical registration that is still grouped together going back to the 12 to Mill Hill and the 13 to Hall Farm . The 12 as we know it now is a separate registration going back to when it started at the end of 2006.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:12 pm)Dan wrote I thought the PVR was going to reduce by more vehicles than that - with the reduction spread across different services and not just the 12..? What about the 18/19?

Note that the 12 hasn't been cancelled completely, but is linked to the registration of the 13.

Wonder what the 18/19 changes are?, as its only got Grindon to City Centre on the new one.

I can't see them not going to Seaburn etc anymore... Infact, the routes link most of Sunderland together.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:12 pm)Dan wrote I thought the PVR was going to reduce by more vehicles than that - with the reduction spread across different services and not just the 12..? What about the 18/19?

Note that the 12 hasn't been cancelled completely, but is linked to the registration of the 13.

PVR reduction is just 5 and 12. 18/19 is a route change and timetable tweek, the route variation is over a new section and the old section will be covered by another route on a higher frequency than the section is covered by now.

They regerstrstion is not the current 12.

Disruption to Stagecoach services on Sunday 1 May 2016 - Sunderland Half Marathon and Sunderland 10K

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:33:33:654

(13 Apr 2016, 4:23 pm)Deleted wrote PVR reduction is just 5 and 12. 18/19 is a route change and timetable tweek, the route variation is over a new section and the old section will be covered by another route on a higher frequency than the section is covered by now.

They regerstrstion is not the current 12.

As long as i can get from Springwell to the queen Alexandrea bridge on a morning, don't mind what the route change is haha.

I wonder if the route change on 18 and 19 that it will go via the docks between commercial road and John street/Fawcett street

(13 Apr 2016, 4:25 pm)Michael wrote As long as i can get from Springwell to the queen Alexandrea bridge on a morning, don't mind what the route change is haha.

That will not be a problem lol.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:23 pm)Deleted wrote PVR reduction is just 5 and 12. 18/19 is a route change and timetable tweek, the route variation is over a new section and the old section will be covered by another route on a higher frequency than the section is covered by now.

They regerstrstion is not the current 12.

So the 18 and 19 wont do the full route

(13 Apr 2016, 4:28 pm)Deleted wrote That will not be a problem lol.

That's fine haha.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:28 pm)cbma06 wrote I wonder if the route change on 18 and 19 that it will go via the docks between commercial road and John street/Fawcett street

No, even though GNE think they is money to be made around the Docks I can safely say they isn't unless you just want to count ENCTS passes

(13 Apr 2016, 4:29 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote So the 18 and 19 wont do the full route

Yes, the terminal points make no differance. 

City centre - Grindon - Seaburn - City Centre is the same as Grindon - City Centre - Seaburn - Grindon.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:33 pm)Deleted wrote No, even though GNE think they is money to be made around the Docks I can safely say they isn't unless you just want to count ENCTS passes

It'll take 6 months and the 33 will be changed - this is depending on how often the 33 will serve the docks anyway, an hourly service could work.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:33 pm)Deleted wrote No, even though GNE think they is money to be made around the Docks I can safely say they isn't unless you just want to count ENCTS passes

so is the change of route on the north side or south side?

(13 Apr 2016, 4:38 pm)Deleted wrote Yes, the terminal points make no differance. 

City centre - Grindon - Seaburn - City Centre is the same as Grindon - City Centre - Seaburn - Grindon.

So will this mean people cant make cross city connections

(13 Apr 2016, 4:39 pm)Michael wrote It'll take 6 months and the 33 will be changed - this is depending on how often the 33 will serve the docks anyway, an hourly service could work.

From what I've seen its once an hour the current 5A direction. Things might have changed though since all the Nexus tender carryon.

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(13 Apr 2016, 4:40 pm)cbma06 wrote so is the change of route on the north side or south side?

South.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:44 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote So will this mean people cant make cross city connections

The route of the 18/19 isnt changing? Thats what i've gathered, anyway.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:44 pm)Deleted wrote From what I've seen its once an hour the current 5A direction. Things might have changed though since all the Nexus tender carryon.

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South.

so it must be that either the 10 or 11 will be taking on an old section of the 18/19 route with the 18/19 taking on a new section in its place?

(13 Apr 2016, 4:44 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote So will this mean people cant make cross city connections

Why? You currently go pallion to grangetown via grindon, you sit at Grindon between 4 and 9 minute. Go via Seaburn depending what time of day it is you might sit at South Bents 9 minutes why can't you do the same now but sit in the city centre.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:48 pm)cbma06 wrote so it must be that either the 10 or 11 will be taking on an old section of the 18/19 route with the 18/19 taking on a new section in its place?

Think the 10 and 11 should go to leechmere asda tgen via a road the 18 uses

(13 Apr 2016, 4:48 pm)cbma06 wrote so it must be that either the 10 or 11 will be taking on an old section of the 18/19 route with the 18/19 taking on a new section in its place?

Could have something to do with the 5/5A or the 23.

(13 Apr 2016, 4:50 pm)Deleted wrote Why? You currently go pallion to grangetown via grindon, you sit at Grindon between 4 and 9 minute. Go via Seaburn depending what time of day it is you might sit at South Bents 9 minutes why can't you do the same now but sit in the city centre.

Ok guess theres no problem

I wonder if the 18/19 will be doing the 11 route between Town and Grangetown and service 11 will be doing the 18/19 route between Town and Grangetown.