Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2019

**Dan** · 21 Oct 2019, 9:14 pm,

(21 Oct 2019, 7:59 pm)Adrian wrote Not sure if it's been mentioned, but it appears that Belmont have had a bit of an NSA update. The 6 has been updated to the new Sapphire branding and also a local female accent. The 56 has also finally gained NSAs, some 3+ years after the Solos gained the systems...

Not mentioned on this forum, but did notice this mentioned on Twitter last night:

<a href="https://twitter.com/garyhunterane/status/1185660699663654914">https://twitter.com/garyhunterane/status/1185660699663654914</a>

 Still a pretty hefty number of systems inoperative by all accounts, but a step in the right direction!

OW1762 · 22 Oct 2019, 1:33 pm,

(21 Oct 2019, 12:21 pm)RBZ 5459 wrote 
 Obviously not that concerning as it's lacked it for nearly 2 years....

I wasnt aware of that, I am quite surprised to know that due to the amount of low trees on some of the routes such as the 64. It appeared that a tree has broken the top deck window where a tree guard would have been at some stage during its time as a max branded bus however, due to the fact that the glass on the left is a different brand to the glass on the right and also has the M of the Max sticker missing where it would be on that window, there is no residue to suggest the sticker had peeled off over time so one can only assume it's a whole new window.

BusLoverMum · 22 Oct 2019, 3:07 pm,

(22 Oct 2019, 1:33 pm)OW1762 wrote 
 I wasnt aware of that, I am quite surprised to know that due to the amount of low trees on some of the routes such as the 64. It appeared that a tree has broken the top deck window where a tree guard would have been at some stage during its time as a max branded bus however, due to the fact that the glass on the left is a different brand to the glass on the right and also has the M of the Max sticker missing where it would be on that window, there is no residue to suggest the sticker had peeled off over time so one can only assume it's a whole new window.

It passed me on the day you mentioned it and there's a load of loose rubber seal around that window. Not the tidiest repair.

streetdeckfan · 22 Oct 2019, 3:09 pm,

(22 Oct 2019, 3:07 pm)BusLoverMum wrote 
 It passed me 9n the day you mtntion it and there's a load of loose rubber seal around that window. Not the tidiest repair.

Sums up Arriva in a nutshell that does!

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Rob44 · 26 Oct 2019, 8:40 am,

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...e-17149445

are arriva planning on selling Jesmond to Newcastle council??

Kuyoyo · 26 Oct 2019, 8:49 am,

Ex-Yorkshire E400 1909 has been renumbered 7558.

L469 YVK · 26 Oct 2019, 11:42 am,

(26 Oct 2019, 8:40 am)Rob44 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...e-17149445

are arriva planning on selling Jesmond to Newcastle council??

Well if Arriva is sold in divisions, the most likely bidder for Jesmond would be GNE who would then split the work between Riverside & Percy Main depots (and maybe a replacement depot for Percy Main).

Kuyoyo · 26 Oct 2019, 1:24 pm,

(26 Oct 2019, 11:42 am)L469 YVK wrote 
 Well if Arriva is sold in divisions, the most likely bidder for Jesmond would be GNE who would then split the work between Riverside & Percy Main depots (and maybe a replacement depot for Percy Main).

For the last time.... Arriva is being sold as a group - not individual divisions or depots.

Stuartphin1639 · 26 Oct 2019, 1:31 pm,

(26 Oct 2019, 1:24 pm)Kuyoyo wrote 
 For the last time.... Arriva is being sold as a group - not individual divisions or depots.

Apparently according to someone at Darlington depot Arriva isn’t up for sale no more until after brexit is sorted

omnicity4659 · 26 Oct 2019, 3:11 pm,

(26 Oct 2019, 11:42 am)L469 YVK wrote 
 Well if Arriva is sold in divisions, the most likely bidder for Jesmond would be GNE who would then split the work between Riverside & Percy Main depots (and maybe a replacement depot for Percy Main).

Hold your horses...... the article says that Jesmond Depot may be shared with the council as a freight/cargo delivery hub... nothing about the actual bus services.

RobinHood · 26 Oct 2019, 5:09 pm,

(26 Oct 2019, 1:24 pm)Kuyoyo wrote 
 For the last time.... Arriva is being sold as a group - not individual divisions or depots.

And also, for the last time, the likes of GNE wouldnt be able to aquire Arriva within Tyne & Wear or County Durham without needing to convince the CMA that there wouldn't be a loss of competition - which they would struggle to do.

L469 YVK · 26 Oct 2019, 6:25 pm,

(26 Oct 2019, 5:09 pm)RobinHood wrote 
 And also, for the last time, the likes of GNE wouldnt be able to aquire Arriva within Tyne & Wear or County Durham without needing to convince the CMA that there wouldn't be a loss of competition - which they would struggle to do.

Loss of competition? Newcastle is predominantly served by Stagecoach so that would be fine with the CMA. The only depots that could pose an issue would be Blyth & Ashington. However, with the following the CMA could just about be convinced........... - If Stagecoach get Blyth:* GNE would run competing 309 service against 308.* GNE (if got Jesmond) would compete to some extent with the 43 between Cramlington & Newcastle. -  If GNE get Ashington:* Stagecoach (if they got Blyth) would run 1 & 2 to Widdrington, Ashington, Bedlington and Morpeth competing with GNE locally around Blyth Valley, Wansbeck and Morpeth.

Ds1197 · 26 Oct 2019, 6:41 pm,

(26 Oct 2019, 6:25 pm)L469 YVK wrote 
 Loss of competition? Newcastle is predominantly served by Stagecoach so that would be fine with the CMA. The only depots that could pose an issue would be Blyth & Ashington. However, with the following the CMA could just about be convinced........... - If Stagecoach get Blyth:* GNE would run competing 309 service against 308.* GNE (if got Jesmond) would compete to some extent with the 43 between Cramlington & Newcastle. -  If GNE get Ashington:* Stagecoach (if they got Blyth) would run 1 & 2 to Widdrington, Ashington, Bedlington and Morpeth competing with GNE locally around Blyth Valley, Wansbeck and Morpeth.

Wouldn't SNE and GNE just close jesmond becasue they've got there own depots near by

L469 YVK · 26 Oct 2019, 7:09 pm,

(26 Oct 2019, 6:41 pm)Ds1197 wrote 
 Wouldn't SNE and GNE just close jesmond becasue they've got there own depots near by

Well if GNE got Jesmond work, they'd likely close it with the routes being split between Riverside & Percy Main.

RobinHood · 26 Oct 2019, 9:03 pm,

There would be a significant loss of competition, just because Stagecoach run in Newcastle doesn't make it automatically okay.

The CMA would look at the current market and compare it against what it would look like. Arriva compete with GNE all across North Tyneside and South Northumberland, plus County Durham and East Durham.

Stagecoach compete in Teesside, Hartlepool and Central Newcastle, that's about it.

In the very unlikely event it was sold by operating company, if GNE bought Arriva Northumbria, on the basis of what I outlined above, the CMA would deem it a significant reduction in competition and as such, could enforce certain things (reductions etc). Stagecoach would be preferred from the CMA point of view as it would maintain competition on most (if not all routes).

The opposite would be true in Darlington/Teesside, as GNE would be preferred, as it would still be two core operators.

ross13 · 27 Oct 2019, 2:39 am,

(26 Oct 2019, 1:31 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote Apparently according to someone at Darlington depot Arriva isn’t up for sale no more until after brexit is sorted

Just to follow on from what Stuart said regarding the sale of arriva  https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-arriva-m-a/deutsche-bahn-delays-possible-arriva-flotation-sale-sources-idUKKBN1X011S

Storx · 27 Oct 2019, 5:43 pm,

The Jesmond depot has been for sale for years - https://www.sw.co.uk/news-insights/wheel...n-jesmond/. I thought there were plans for a new 'super' depot to merge both Blyth and Jesmond together, rumoured to be in the Sandy Lane area?

Also, Stagecoach would be a better fit than GNE at Ashington since GNE have barely any experience in rural bus routes bar the Hexham local buses whereas Stagecoach have loads - just saying. No way GNE would be allowed Jesmond and Ashington neither, they'd have dominance in the whole of North Tyneside and the coast bar the 308.

Ryland · 28 Oct 2019, 6:40 am,

(26 Oct 2019, 8:49 am)Kuyoyo wrote Ex-Yorkshire E400 1909 has been renumbered 7558.

Are all the Yorkshire buses getting 're numbered  Is 7558 (1909) keeping the max livery or is it changing too

Kuyoyo · 28 Oct 2019, 8:08 am,

(28 Oct 2019, 6:40 am)Ryland wrote 
 Are all the Yorkshire buses getting 're numbered  Is 7558 (1909) keeping the max livery or is it changing too

The two MAX ones will be - they are both intended to transfer here once Yorkshire’s cascade plan from the new Streetdecks is complete. The two remaining Sapphire examples are only loans so they won’t be.

Ryland · 30 Oct 2019, 3:31 pm,

Query about redcar allocations

For the past 3 days 63 branded pulsars have been allocated onto the 62 ? Seems to be at least 2 on there each day Any reason why

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