Teesside Changes from Sunday 27th October 2019
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:23:14:406

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Looks to be the following drop in PVR:
13/13A: PVR drops by 1 from 6 to 5
34: PVR drops by 1 from 5 to 4
36/37/38: PVR unchanged
58: PVR unchanged

Keeping the 52/35 separate from that list as it's a bit harder to work out. The 52 running time is reduced on weekdays, so instead of an hour and 20 minutes for a round trip as they presently get, they'll now get an hour and 11 minutes. The 35, with the revision to operate direct from Norton Road onto Norton High Street at the Red Lion, goes from a round trip of an hour and 5 minutes to a round trip of just 57 minutes. So, until we can be sure, we're either looking at a reduction of 1 on the 52/35 with all boards doing at least 1 trip on the 35 at some stage of the day (as it was pre-August 2017) or the 35 will revert to stand alone with 2 buses and the 52 will operate with 5 buses, still resulting in a reduction of 1.

EDIT: Sorry, further reviewed the timetables - the 36/37/38 will actually see a PVR increase by 1. Seems during the day, the 36 will be stand alone while the 37/38 will interwork in Middlesbrough.

EDIT2: Further review, the 37 and 38 will also be stand alone during the day, each with a PVR of 3.

Just realised the 38 isn't going via Norton Grange evenings and Sundays! How stupid. Just to confuse everyone.
Noticed some 38s already showing via Norton Grange today! And a 13 showing Hemlington.

(26 Oct 2019, 10:07 pm)Cock Robin wrote Just realised the 38 isn't going via Norton Grange evenings and Sundays! How stupid. Just to confuse everyone.
Noticed some 38s already showing via Norton Grange today! And a 13 showing Hemlington.

Not sure it's unexpected though, the 35 didn't have an evening service anyway.

Would have been an improvement though. Would still have served most of the 38 stops.

Spotted these on the NEXUS site

X24/X34 running on Sundays from the 17th November.


X24/X24A
Newcastle - Pennywell Ind. Est./Doxford International - Sunderland
X24 Introduction of Sunday journeys for Christmas
Sunday, 17 November 2019

https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/f...171119.pdf


X34
Newcastle – Horsley Hill - Newcastle
Stagecoach
Revised Timetable
Introduction of Sunday journeys for Christmas
Sunday, 17 November 2019

https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/f...171119.pdf

Changes on the 11th November

PB0002404/47
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 3232A (32, 32A) Walker North Kenton

PB0002404/9
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 6263 (62, 63) Killingworth North Walbottle or Chapel House

Blackett Street is closed for the Christmas Market from then until Christmas.

PB0002404/10 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Eldon Square Bus Station to Ponteland and Darras Hall
Service number: X77X78X79 (X77, X78, X79)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 05 Jan 2020


Withdrawal of 1510 Wednesday Schoolday only journey

PB0001987/306 Registered
CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD

Route: Stainton to Nunthorpe
Service number: 19 (19)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 23 Mar 2020

Seasider registered again, starts on 4th April and ends on 12th September

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/544033/

Doing some digging and the Stagecoach Sunderland/South Shields changes have appeared.. interesting changes

Changes start on 05 Apr 2020.



Variations:

PB0002404/44
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 18ss (18) South Shields Brockley Whins

PB0002404/41
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1011ss (10, 11) South Shields Jarrow or Cobalt

PB0002404/48
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 22s (22) Dene Estate Doxford Park

PB0002404/21
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1234 (1, 2, 3, 4) South Shields Biddick Hall Estate

PB0002404/22
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 78 (7, 8) South Shields Marsden

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4su (4) Downhill Thorney Close

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (12, 13, 3) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/25
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 30 (30) South Shields Boldon

PB0002404/29
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 12ss (12) South Shields South Shields The Lonnen

PB0002404/264
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X20 (X20) South Shields Fellgate Estate

PB0002404/18
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1819 (18, 18A) Sunderland Grangetown or Gilley Law

PB0002404/77
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X1 (X1) Sunderland John Street Doxford International

PB0002404/23
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 17 (17) South Shields Whiteleas Estate



23 renumbered 22 and between Dene Estate and Doxford Park

4 now Downhill to Thorney Close



Only changes so far

Edit:


Starting to appear on VOSA today: (haven't got excel atm. new computer, so can't see the exact changes)

PB0002404/18 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Sunderland to Grangetown or Gilley Law
Service number: 1819 (18, 18A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020


PB0002404/41 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Jarrow or Cobalt
Service number: 1011ss (10, 11)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020


PB0002404/29 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to South Shields The Lonnen
Service number: 12ss (12)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020

Really don’t understand why these changes for Sunderland. Doxford park to dene estate!!

(21 Feb 2020, 10:00 pm)Acky81 wrote Really don’t understand why these changes for Sunderland. Doxford park to dene estate!!

Same, seems a odd move, but maybe they want to open up new links, or try something new

Only services atm with no changes atm is:

8/10/11/20/X24 and X34.

As long as the does the exact same times as the 23, i don't mind the changes, as i get the 6:14am 23 on a morning, so hoping that one stays.

(21 Feb 2020, 10:31 pm)Michael wrote Same, seems a odd move, but maybe they want to open up new links, or try something new

Only services atm with no changes atm is:

8/10/11/20/X24 and X34.

As long as the does the exact same times as the 23, i don't mind the changes, as i get the 6:14am 23 on a morning, so hoping that one stays.

What’s the changes for 3 12 and 13

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How do you access vosa

(21 Feb 2020, 10:49 pm)Acky81 wrote What’s the changes for 3 12 and 13

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How do you access vosa

Not sure on the 3/12/13 changes, probables timetable.

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...-services/

Search:

Licence traffic area: BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD then tick North East.

You can choose if you want just New, Variation etc.

Others are:

GO NORTH EAST LIMITED

ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD

ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD

(21 Feb 2020, 10:31 pm)Michael wrote Same, seems a odd move, but maybe they want to open up new links, or try something new

Only services atm with no changes atm is:

8/10/11/20/X24 and X34.

As long as the does the exact same times as the 23, i don't mind the changes, as i get the 6:14am 23 on a morning, so hoping that one stays.

Perhaps swapping the southern section of the route means the running time on both routes allows a bus to be taken out of the PVR between the two.


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(21 Feb 2020, 3:24 pm)Michael wrote Doing some digging and the Stagecoach Sunderland/South Shields changes have appeared.. interesting changes

Changes start on 05 Apr 2020.



Variations:

PB0002404/44
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 18ss (18) South Shields Brockley Whins

PB0002404/41
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1011ss (10, 11) South Shields Jarrow or Cobalt

PB0002404/48
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 22s (22) Dene Estate Doxford Park

PB0002404/21
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1234 (1, 2, 3, 4) South Shields Biddick Hall Estate

PB0002404/22
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 78 (7, 8) South Shields Marsden

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4su (4) Downhill Thorney Close

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (12, 13, 3) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/25
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 30 (30) South Shields Boldon

PB0002404/29
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 12ss (12) South Shields South Shields The Lonnen

PB0002404/264
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X20 (X20) South Shields Fellgate Estate

PB0002404/18
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1819 (18, 18A) Sunderland Grangetown or Gilley Law

PB0002404/77
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X1 (X1) Sunderland John Street Doxford International

PB0002404/23
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 17 (17) South Shields Whiteleas Estate



23 renumbered 22 and between Dene Estate and Doxford Park

4 now Downhill to Thorney Close



Only changes so far

Edit:


Starting to appear on VOSA today: (haven't got excel atm. new computer, so can't see the exact changes)

PB0002404/18 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Sunderland to Grangetown or Gilley Law
Service number: 1819 (18, 18A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020

Timetable changes

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PB0002404/41 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Jarrow or Cobalt
Service number: 1011ss (10, 11)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020


Revised Mon- Sat evening timetable to aid reliability

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PB0002404/29 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to South Shields The Lonnen
Service number: 12ss (12)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020

Timetable change Mon to Sun cycle to aid reliability

PB0002404/23 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Whiteleas Estate
Service number: 17 (17)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020

Every 12 minutes

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PB0002404/48 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Dene Estate to Doxford Park
Service number: 22s (22)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020

Peak times every 12 minutes

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PB0002404/21 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Biddick Hall Estate
Service number: 1234 (1, 2, 3, 4)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020

Last journey on the 3 withdrawn

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(22 Feb 2020, 6:21 am)Dan wrote Perhaps swapping the southern section of the route means the running time on both routes allows a bus to be taken out of the PVR between the two.


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And reduce the frequencies, i think it'll also help with reliability.

As long as the Monday to Friday 6:14am and 6:44am journey from Springwell to the City Centre run, as they currently run as the 23.... i don't care about the changes!


I would expect the 4 and 16 to follow in dropping to every 12 minutes.


I think we will see the 18 reduced even more, (dare i mention the GNE X3 service), i just can't see how its still making some sort of profit!

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Also appearing now is the 939:

PB0002404/345
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 939 (939) Sunderland Park Lane Team Valley North End

Wonder if the 22 will go from Doxford to seaburn on Sundays. I think they should renumber the 4 as many will end up at Thorney close ?instead of doxy

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Wonder if there’s any new fresh routes for Sunderland

The upcoming changes in April should allow the remaining darts (34605/11 and 35188/89) to be withdrawn along with most unreliable and knackered MAN E200s.

Scania OmniLinks 24001-3 could also be withdrawn (due to how unreliable they are and as they are not Euro 6) and some ADL E300s cascaded elsewhere if there are frequency changes planned for the 3, 12, 13 and 16?

just a thought if they are repainting all the vehicles they may need to keep the darts for now

(22 Feb 2020, 1:26 pm)AIG20 wrote The upcoming changes in April should allow the remaining darts (34605/11 and 35188/89) to be withdrawn along with most unreliable and knackered MAN E200s.

Scania OmniLinks 24001-3 could also be withdrawn (due to how unreliable they are and as they are not Euro 6) and some ADL E300s cascaded elsewhere if there are frequency changes planned for the 3, 12, 13 and 16?

Hopefully, the darts are horrendous.

Only way to get the 3/12/13 frequency down, was if every service was every 30 minutes (15 combined, currently every 10 minutes combined), but don't think that'll happen, i can see the 4 and 16 dropping to every 12 minutes.


Hopefully we will see the Euro 6 gas buses on the X24 to replace the Omnilinks.



Wonder if the X1 changes are linked with the 4 changing its route?, wonder if the X1 will link with the 18 instead, as i expect more runs will be dropped from the route.


Edit: Talking of the Omnilinks.... only 24001 is out today....


Edit:


New PVR's, if routes go every 12 minutes

4: 7 PVR (was 10)
16: 8 PVR (was 10)
22: 7 PVR (was 8 PVR)


Drop in 6 PVR

Of course could drop by more, if the 20 appears on VOSA.

They seriously need to review the Newcastle network

(22 Feb 2020, 2:26 pm)V514DFT wrote They seriously need to review the Newcastle network

I don't really know the Newcastle network, so can't give some idea's out on how to improve it, but what would you change?

(22 Feb 2020, 2:26 pm)V514DFT wrote They seriously need to review the Newcastle network

Do they? There’s nothing wrong with it. They were going to withdraw the 32 between Benwell and Kenton Bar, and the 18 between the Freeman Hospital and Forest Hall, but NEXUS have stepped in to provide funding for them to stay in place.

(22 Feb 2020, 6:28 pm)markydh wrote Do they? There’s nothing wrong with it. They were going to withdraw the 32 between Benwell and Kenton Bar, and the 18 between the Freeman Hospital and Forest Hall, but NEXUS have stepped in to provide funding for them to stay in place.

 And thats good how exactly? So they axed the 15/15A re routed the 32/32A,but no no,that wasnt enough, they then axed the 18 to Forest Hall and Wallsend, replaced it with the 6 and 7 to Forest Hall, a year later decided that wasnt working then the K3 replaced it,that then got axed (yes it was GNE) then Forest Hall lost the link to the Freeman altogether and also lost the link to the Call Centre (yes believe it or not, some people that work there are from Forest Hall) but a couple of months earlier the 1 was extended to the Cobalt, thats just recent examples, the Newcastle network has been a joke for the last 20 years

(22 Feb 2020, 7:25 pm)V514DFT wrote  And thats good how exactly? So they axed the 15/15A re routed the 32/32A,but no no,that wasnt enough, they then axed the 18 to Forest Hall and Wallsend, replaced it with the 6 and 7 to Forest Hall, a year later decided that wasnt working then the K3 replaced it,that then got axed (yes it was GNE) then Forest Hall lost the link to the Freeman altogether and also lost the link to the Call Centre (yes believe it or not, some people that work there are from Forest Hall) but a couple of months earlier the 1 was extended to the Cobalt, thats just recent examples, the Newcastle network has been a joke for the last 20 years

Tbf it's not just Stagecoach that serves Forest Hall. The whole North Tyneside network is a mess imo. Places like Monkseaton, Backworth, Briardene, Marsden, Preston Village just to name a few would love the links that you have. The West End of Newcastle probably have the best network in the North East though, mostly frequent bus routes which run late in the evening and some of the cheapest fares.

(07 Feb 2020, 5:31 pm)Michael wrote PB0001987/306 Registered
CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD

Route: Stainton to Nunthorpe
Service number: 19 (19)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 23 Mar 2020

Times and Map of the 19 now showing on Bus Times
https://bustimes.org/services/19-acklam-marton

Any more news on the Sunderland service changes for April

(23 Feb 2020, 9:28 pm)Acky81 wrote Any more news on the Sunderland service changes for April

No, likely the rest of the changes will be on VOSA tomorrow or the coming days, this is where we can access the CSV sheet, which sometimes tells you the changes.

Other than that, they won't be on the Stagecoach site for a couple of weeks yet.

PB0002404/60 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Downhill to Thorney Close
Service number: 4su (4)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020
Revised route and timetable to serve Thorney Close.

PB0002404/345 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Sunderland Park Lane to Team Valley North End
Service number: 939 (939)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020
Revised timetable.

PB0002404/77 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Sunderland John Street to Doxford International
Service number: X1 (X1)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020
Revised timetable.

PB0002404/264 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Fellgate Estate
Service number: X20 (X20)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020
Revised timetable operated by South Shields.

PB0002404/25 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Boldon
Service number: 30 (30)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020
Revised timetable operated by South Shields.

PB0002404/44 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Brockley Whins
Service number: 18ss (18)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020
Revised times for am and pm peak services and headway reduced to 12 mins.

PB0002404/22 Registered
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: South Shields to Marsden
Service number: 78 (7, 8)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Apr 2020
Revised timetable to aid reliability.