Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
X83 - there just isn’t the demand for passengers even before Covid-19 through ovington/ovingham/wylam and even heddon anymore. It’s already a trek from newbrough to the town without making it go the x84 route too. Now if you dropped these out as well as heddon and Denton burn, you might just have something, particularly in peak commuter time.
X86 a non- starter, can’t get anything bigger than a transit van over ovingham bridge - and even that isn’t pleasant.
Ad122/x122 - route can’t be done in an hour - too long to be a competitor to the already long 685, and next to nil traffic for Gilsland/birdoswald, asides a few days here and there in peak holiday seasons, 185 covers this. Not going to go to a PVR of 3 - there just isn’t the reward to justify it.
(01 Jan 2021, 4:18 pm)Storx The X33/X34 should be numbered the 43/44 btw as it's pretty much what they are, why they were withdrawn is still a mystery to me as the routes have struggled ever since when they used to be quite popular.In a nutshell, the 43/44 was replaced in the following for people who don't need to go via the Metrocentre
(01 Jan 2021, 4:18 pm)Storx The X33/X34 should be numbered the 43/44 btw as it's pretty much what they are, why they were withdrawn is still a mystery to me as the routes have struggled ever since when they used to be quite popular.In a nutshell, the 43/44 was replaced in the following for people who don't need to go via the Metrocentre
(01 Jan 2021, 8:14 pm)cbma06 Here’s my 2 pence worth suggestions:Try these,
4/X1/ and new X2,
Half the X1 frequency.
New X2 between Newcastle and Hetton, between Newcastle and Concord (old x95 route), between Concord and Galleries via Washington Highway, then from Galleries to Hetton Interchange (old X94 route). X1 and X2 combined 10 minute service.
4 Heworth to Hall Lane estate
4 withdrawn between Shiney row and Houghton by the new X2, from Shiney Row to Newbottle via the old 194 route then down to Burnside estate into Houghton then continue upto Hall Lane estate via Seaham Road/B1260 then along Hall Lane back to Houghton to Heworth, service 4 via Hall Lane estate to replace service 20 in that section.
16/16A/20/60
Service 20/16/16A merged at Durham to provide new cross city links, service will run every 15 minutes.
Service 20 will be withdrawn from Hall Lane estate and go via the old 220 route, also withdrawn between Sunderland and South Shields with that section been replaced by extending service 60.
X20/13/14/204/208/265/X5/X15
Service X5/X15 extended from Durham to Sunderland replacing X20
How busy does service X5/X15 can be, can the service be done using streetlites?
Service numbers might need to be changed, Service 265 extended from Durham to Langley Park via X20 route then do the 13 route back to Durham then the 204 route then vice versa
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(01 Jan 2021, 8:14 pm)cbma06 Here’s my 2 pence worth suggestions:Try these,
4/X1/ and new X2,
Half the X1 frequency.
New X2 between Newcastle and Hetton, between Newcastle and Concord (old x95 route), between Concord and Galleries via Washington Highway, then from Galleries to Hetton Interchange (old X94 route). X1 and X2 combined 10 minute service.
4 Heworth to Hall Lane estate
4 withdrawn between Shiney row and Houghton by the new X2, from Shiney Row to Newbottle via the old 194 route then down to Burnside estate into Houghton then continue upto Hall Lane estate via Seaham Road/B1260 then along Hall Lane back to Houghton to Heworth, service 4 via Hall Lane estate to replace service 20 in that section.
16/16A/20/60
Service 20/16/16A merged at Durham to provide new cross city links, service will run every 15 minutes.
Service 20 will be withdrawn from Hall Lane estate and go via the old 220 route, also withdrawn between Sunderland and South Shields with that section been replaced by extending service 60.
X20/13/14/204/208/265/X5/X15
Service X5/X15 extended from Durham to Sunderland replacing X20
How busy does service X5/X15 can be, can the service be done using streetlites?
Service numbers might need to be changed, Service 265 extended from Durham to Langley Park via X20 route then do the 13 route back to Durham then the 204 route then vice versa
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(04 Jan 2021, 10:45 pm)Acky81 A lot of people have suggested extending the 60 to South Shields. There’s no demand for it. GNE tried and tested this previously with service 37 many moons agoI think others meant that the 60 would replace the 20 between South Shields and Sunderland. Not too sure why to be honest as the 20 is only roughly 10 minutes longer between Sunderland and Durham than the 60 between Sunderland and Parkside. So it wouldn’t benefit reliability that much.
(04 Jan 2021, 10:45 pm)Acky81 A lot of people have suggested extending the 60 to South Shields. There’s no demand for it. GNE tried and tested this previously with service 37 many moons agoI think others meant that the 60 would replace the 20 between South Shields and Sunderland. Not too sure why to be honest as the 20 is only roughly 10 minutes longer between Sunderland and Durham than the 60 between Sunderland and Parkside. So it wouldn’t benefit reliability that much.
(04 Jan 2021, 10:45 pm)Acky81 A lot of people have suggested extending the 60 to South Shields. There’s no demand for it. GNE tried and tested this previously with service 37 many moons ago
(04 Jan 2021, 10:45 pm)Acky81 A lot of people have suggested extending the 60 to South Shields. There’s no demand for it. GNE tried and tested this previously with service 37 many moons ago
(05 Jan 2021, 10:33 am)Drifter60 The difference would be that this isn’t an additional service it would replace service 20 in that area, so vehicles and resources would be unchanged. Also Ryhope, Seaham and Parkside don’t have anywhere near the congestion of Durham, Gilesgate and the A690 so while the route length may not be remarkably different it would I’d suggest improve reliability.
(05 Jan 2021, 10:33 am)Drifter60 The difference would be that this isn’t an additional service it would replace service 20 in that area, so vehicles and resources would be unchanged. Also Ryhope, Seaham and Parkside don’t have anywhere near the congestion of Durham, Gilesgate and the A690 so while the route length may not be remarkably different it would I’d suggest improve reliability.
Would a split be better: 20 still does Durham to Sunderland, Another Number Between Sunderland to Shields
(05 Jan 2021, 12:36 pm)deanmachine From personal experience, the 60 is harder to keep on time than the 20. Either service aren't too bad currently in all honesty, but swapping the Durham bit for the Seaham bit definitely isn't something to do in search for reliability. See the 9 and 61 for example.
(05 Jan 2021, 12:36 pm)deanmachine From personal experience, the 60 is harder to keep on time than the 20. Either service aren't too bad currently in all honesty, but swapping the Durham bit for the Seaham bit definitely isn't something to do in search for reliability. See the 9 and 61 for example.
(05 Jan 2021, 4:32 pm)ifm001 I'd go for a 30 minute new service between Shields and Sunderland supplemented with a 30 min Express service X6/X7 extended to Shields, with limited stops at Wheatsheaf (for Stadium), Fulwell Grange, Cleadon Village Harton Nook and Westoe.
(05 Jan 2021, 4:32 pm)ifm001 I'd go for a 30 minute new service between Shields and Sunderland supplemented with a 30 min Express service X6/X7 extended to Shields, with limited stops at Wheatsheaf (for Stadium), Fulwell Grange, Cleadon Village Harton Nook and Westoe.
(05 Jan 2021, 5:51 pm)Storx Canny service cut for people wanting to go between points, I don't know the numbers but can't imagine there's many people travelling all the way from Sunderland to South Shields it's bit like travelling from no-where to no-where.Not sure where your coming from here. 15 min service between the 2 points with the limited stop services stopping at various points in between . As I've said before in other posts too many services on 10/12 min frequencies utilising more drivers with smaller vehicles. Make the frequency longer with 15/20/30 min services with larger vehicles less drivers used. This will enable other drivers to be used for increase in services that need frequency increases or new services that are needed elsewhere apparantley.
(05 Jan 2021, 5:51 pm)Storx Canny service cut for people wanting to go between points, I don't know the numbers but can't imagine there's many people travelling all the way from Sunderland to South Shields it's bit like travelling from no-where to no-where.Not sure where your coming from here. 15 min service between the 2 points with the limited stop services stopping at various points in between . As I've said before in other posts too many services on 10/12 min frequencies utilising more drivers with smaller vehicles. Make the frequency longer with 15/20/30 min services with larger vehicles less drivers used. This will enable other drivers to be used for increase in services that need frequency increases or new services that are needed elsewhere apparantley.
(05 Jan 2021, 4:32 pm)Drifter60 Is that the timetable being too tight? More layover needed at Parkside or extra layover at Seaham? In Seaham, Byron Terrace (New Seaham Mill Inn) is bad at school times but otherwise I don’t think anywhere else is that busy.
(05 Jan 2021, 4:32 pm)Drifter60 Is that the timetable being too tight? More layover needed at Parkside or extra layover at Seaham? In Seaham, Byron Terrace (New Seaham Mill Inn) is bad at school times but otherwise I don’t think anywhere else is that busy.
(05 Jan 2021, 7:05 pm)ifm001 Not sure where your coming from here. 15 min service between the 2 points with the limited stop services stopping at various points in between . As I've said before in other posts too many services on 10/12 min frequencies utilising more drivers with smaller vehicles. Make the frequency longer with 15/20/30 min services with larger vehicles less drivers used. This will enable other drivers to be used for increase in services that need frequency increases or new services that are needed elsewhere apparantley.
(05 Jan 2021, 7:05 pm)ifm001 Not sure where your coming from here. 15 min service between the 2 points with the limited stop services stopping at various points in between . As I've said before in other posts too many services on 10/12 min frequencies utilising more drivers with smaller vehicles. Make the frequency longer with 15/20/30 min services with larger vehicles less drivers used. This will enable other drivers to be used for increase in services that need frequency increases or new services that are needed elsewhere apparantley.
(05 Jan 2021, 9:37 pm)N1cholas Bit pointless having an Express going up parkside as most from parkside only go down the harbour anyway, and back up then back down, they are only on the bus 10 mins so an express would be pointless
(05 Jan 2021, 9:37 pm)N1cholas Bit pointless having an Express going up parkside as most from parkside only go down the harbour anyway, and back up then back down, they are only on the bus 10 mins so an express would be pointless
(05 Jan 2021, 9:40 pm)Storx Yeah that's fair, don't know the area too well tbh. Was just an idea to try and promote people going from Seaham to Sunderland to use the express services and it seemed a place to send it since their buses would be down from 5 an hour to 3 an hour rather than them using the 60 so the 60 is for people doing intermediate journeys instead.
(05 Jan 2021, 9:40 pm)Storx Yeah that's fair, don't know the area too well tbh. Was just an idea to try and promote people going from Seaham to Sunderland to use the express services and it seemed a place to send it since their buses would be down from 5 an hour to 3 an hour rather than them using the 60 so the 60 is for people doing intermediate journeys instead.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:02 am)deanmachine The Seaham to Sunderland journey isn't that long in reality either. There's already a half hourly express service that isn't used much anyways, just look at how long it kept it's X-Lines spec Solos.I'm not saying that Shields to Sunderland is not a used service. Quite the opposite. Offer an Express in addition to the normal service (all other GNE areas have Xs why not Shields). But I have to ask the question. A 36-40 seat vehicle every 12 mins or a 50- 70 seat vehicle every 20/30 mins would still benefit surely not, and release other vehicles and drivers to be used elsewhere that may be struggling more than the Shields to Sunderland route.
Also in response to other people's posts, it's absolutely laughable that people don't see South Shields to Sunderland as being a type of service people use. Stagecoach have 3 services and the 20 being every 12 minutes shows how used it is, and it is, even during a lockdown.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:02 am)deanmachine The Seaham to Sunderland journey isn't that long in reality either. There's already a half hourly express service that isn't used much anyways, just look at how long it kept it's X-Lines spec Solos.I'm not saying that Shields to Sunderland is not a used service. Quite the opposite. Offer an Express in addition to the normal service (all other GNE areas have Xs why not Shields). But I have to ask the question. A 36-40 seat vehicle every 12 mins or a 50- 70 seat vehicle every 20/30 mins would still benefit surely not, and release other vehicles and drivers to be used elsewhere that may be struggling more than the Shields to Sunderland route.
Also in response to other people's posts, it's absolutely laughable that people don't see South Shields to Sunderland as being a type of service people use. Stagecoach have 3 services and the 20 being every 12 minutes shows how used it is, and it is, even during a lockdown.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:02 am)deanmachine The Seaham to Sunderland journey isn't that long in reality either. There's already a half hourly express service that isn't used much anyways, just look at how long it kept it's X-Lines spec Solos.
Also in response to other people's posts, it's absolutely laughable that people don't see South Shields to Sunderland as being a type of service people use. Stagecoach have 3 services and the 20 being every 12 minutes shows how used it is, and it is, even during a lockdown.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:21 am)ifm001 I'm not saying that Shields to Sunderland is not a used service. Quite the opposite. Offer an Express in addition to the normal service (all other GNE areas have Xs why not Shields). But I have to ask the question. A 36-40 seat vehicle every 12 mins or a 50- 70 seat vehicle every 20/30 mins would still benefit surely not, and release other vehicles and drivers to be used elsewhere that may be struggling more than the Shields to Sunderland route.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:02 am)deanmachine The Seaham to Sunderland journey isn't that long in reality either. There's already a half hourly express service that isn't used much anyways, just look at how long it kept it's X-Lines spec Solos.
Also in response to other people's posts, it's absolutely laughable that people don't see South Shields to Sunderland as being a type of service people use. Stagecoach have 3 services and the 20 being every 12 minutes shows how used it is, and it is, even during a lockdown.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:21 am)ifm001 I'm not saying that Shields to Sunderland is not a used service. Quite the opposite. Offer an Express in addition to the normal service (all other GNE areas have Xs why not Shields). But I have to ask the question. A 36-40 seat vehicle every 12 mins or a 50- 70 seat vehicle every 20/30 mins would still benefit surely not, and release other vehicles and drivers to be used elsewhere that may be struggling more than the Shields to Sunderland route.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:21 am)ifm001 I'm not saying that Shields to Sunderland is not a used service. Quite the opposite. Offer an Express in addition to the normal service (all other GNE areas have Xs why not Shields). But I have to ask the question. A 36-40 seat vehicle every 12 mins or a 50- 70 seat vehicle every 20/30 mins would still benefit surely not, and release other vehicles and drivers to be used elsewhere that may be struggling more than the Shields to Sunderland route.
(06 Jan 2021, 1:21 am)ifm001 I'm not saying that Shields to Sunderland is not a used service. Quite the opposite. Offer an Express in addition to the normal service (all other GNE areas have Xs why not Shields). But I have to ask the question. A 36-40 seat vehicle every 12 mins or a 50- 70 seat vehicle every 20/30 mins would still benefit surely not, and release other vehicles and drivers to be used elsewhere that may be struggling more than the Shields to Sunderland route.
