New service X11
New service X11
(17 Apr 2021, 10:56 pm)mb134 Hard to justify brand new vehicles for a seasonal PVR increase though, and those B7s are reportedly pretty reliable (and are having engineering attention ahead of the summer season). At the moment the B9s are obviously undergoing work ahead of the summer (though this should have been done in the winter, really).I won't go into too much detail on here with it being a GNE thread. But realistically, they should be replace with OM936 StreetDecks (as part of wider investment) with 3x or 4x moving to Ashington for the X14 or X20. That would then leave 2x or 3x as NE floats.
On the GNE having more shorts, where would they operate that from? It would be far more suited to EYMS, if anyone. Also for the additonal bus, if the spare (2862) has already been put out then realistically nothing would be able to get to Scarborough until the next bus rocked up regardless - drivers also make it known to supervisors if they hit bus full and leave folk behind, to my knowledge, so if something could be done it probably would have been.
(17 Apr 2021, 10:56 pm)mb134 Hard to justify brand new vehicles for a seasonal PVR increase though, and those B7s are reportedly pretty reliable (and are having engineering attention ahead of the summer season). At the moment the B9s are obviously undergoing work ahead of the summer (though this should have been done in the winter, really).I won't go into too much detail on here with it being a GNE thread. But realistically, they should be replace with OM936 StreetDecks (as part of wider investment) with 3x or 4x moving to Ashington for the X14 or X20. That would then leave 2x or 3x as NE floats.
On the GNE having more shorts, where would they operate that from? It would be far more suited to EYMS, if anyone. Also for the additonal bus, if the spare (2862) has already been put out then realistically nothing would be able to get to Scarborough until the next bus rocked up regardless - drivers also make it known to supervisors if they hit bus full and leave folk behind, to my knowledge, so if something could be done it probably would have been.
(18 Apr 2021, 10:58 am)L469 YVK I won't go into too much detail on here with it being a GNE thread. But realistically, they should be replace with OM936 StreetDecks (as part of wider investment) with 3x or 4x moving to Ashington for the X14 or X20. That would then leave 2x or 3x as NE floats.
(18 Apr 2021, 10:58 am)L469 YVK I won't go into too much detail on here with it being a GNE thread. But realistically, they should be replace with OM936 StreetDecks (as part of wider investment) with 3x or 4x moving to Ashington for the X14 or X20. That would then leave 2x or 3x as NE floats.
(18 Apr 2021, 12:17 pm)L469 YVK Might potentially open up the opportunity for an Eastrider / XLines service to compete against the X93 if Arriva don't book their ideas up!
(18 Apr 2021, 12:17 pm)L469 YVK Might potentially open up the opportunity for an Eastrider / XLines service to compete against the X93 if Arriva don't book their ideas up!
(17 Apr 2021, 10:12 pm)Jimmi I believe 2862 was allocated to the X93 this afternoon as a result of a passenger being sick on 7401 and 2862 was all that was spare at Whitby to replace it, can't say I enjoyed that one all the way from Scarborough to Middlesbrough this afternoon.
I do wish Arriva would do more to try and minimise the liklihoods of single deckers doing X93/X94 during the peak season especially atm with reduced capacity, don't help that some B9s are off for repaint.
(18 Apr 2021, 1:22 pm)streetdeckfan I wonder if it might be viable to have the X11 jointly operated by GNE and EY if things go well.
I could see a northbound morning journey being quite good, with there being a driver change over and an additional southbound journey at lunch time using the EY vehicle (and presumably a GNE driver)
(17 Apr 2021, 10:12 pm)Jimmi I believe 2862 was allocated to the X93 this afternoon as a result of a passenger being sick on 7401 and 2862 was all that was spare at Whitby to replace it, can't say I enjoyed that one all the way from Scarborough to Middlesbrough this afternoon.
I do wish Arriva would do more to try and minimise the liklihoods of single deckers doing X93/X94 during the peak season especially atm with reduced capacity, don't help that some B9s are off for repaint.
(18 Apr 2021, 1:22 pm)streetdeckfan I wonder if it might be viable to have the X11 jointly operated by GNE and EY if things go well.
I could see a northbound morning journey being quite good, with there being a driver change over and an additional southbound journey at lunch time using the EY vehicle (and presumably a GNE driver)
(18 Apr 2021, 1:24 pm)Malarkey I'm sure Jesmond could spare some E400's off of the 43/44/45 as again I don't see these ever been at full capacity and a single decker would be more than justified.The same ones that were done on the 308, 501, 505, 518 and ironically the X93 that by the time they ended up on the X21 / X22, most (particularly 7501-06) were not suitable.
(18 Apr 2021, 1:24 pm)Malarkey I'm sure Jesmond could spare some E400's off of the 43/44/45 as again I don't see these ever been at full capacity and a single decker would be more than justified.The same ones that were done on the 308, 501, 505, 518 and ironically the X93 that by the time they ended up on the X21 / X22, most (particularly 7501-06) were not suitable.
(18 Apr 2021, 1:24 pm)Malarkey Arriva could've easily allocated 7609/7610 as the Whitby P&R's carried nothing but fresh air throughout the day for the journey's I seen in both the morning and afternoon rather than allocating a Solo, Pulsar or a Streetlite but I see this as going to be a repeat occurance throughout the summer.
(18 Apr 2021, 1:24 pm)Malarkey Arriva could've easily allocated 7609/7610 as the Whitby P&R's carried nothing but fresh air throughout the day for the journey's I seen in both the morning and afternoon rather than allocating a Solo, Pulsar or a Streetlite but I see this as going to be a repeat occurance throughout the summer.
(18 Apr 2021, 2:03 pm)L469 YVK The same ones that were done on the 308, 501, 505, 518 and ironically the X93 that by the time they ended up on the X21 / X22, most (particularly 7501-06) were not suitable.
(18 Apr 2021, 2:03 pm)L469 YVK The same ones that were done on the 308, 501, 505, 518 and ironically the X93 that by the time they ended up on the X21 / X22, most (particularly 7501-06) were not suitable.
Well Said mb134 - this thread along with many others seems to turn into bash arriva north east. You mention o5 plates Transdev.... i'll offer the 05 plate single decks of stagecoach Newcastle that was ploughing out loads of smoke as followed them last night. But yet to see anyone complain about Stagecoach;s ageing fleet!
It's a case of just being unfortunate timing of the repainting of the B9s that has screwed things up, seemed like it was a last minute decision to rebrand them after 7405 was forced into a repaint after being involved in an RTC.
Like mentioned Whitby Park & Ride has to take priority for allocations of 7609/10 plus the B9s, just fortunate both branded buses were out on Park & Ride yesterday. Other issue being spares in Whitby, there is still cost implications in keeping buses sat spare doing nothing and to make matters worse the spare could be needed on anything including the 95 that can't use anything really any bigger than a Solo or the X4 which has low bridges so a Solo is all that can be there without having to add a second bus.
Still with all this in mind, hope more is done to try and prevent stuff like this happening, even just trying to ensure the full X93s get the deckers as opposed to the X94 which spends half the day just running as far as Whitby.
Capacity issues seemingly wasn't just an issue with Arriva yesterday, East Yorkshire allocated a B7RLE Centro to the 128 which is more commonly a double decker route.
I noticed on bustimes.org that the X11 completely missed Billingham out both yesterday and today on the return trip.
This resulted in the bus basically running incredibly early and arriving into Gateshead eventually around half an hour early.
Given this is a registered local bus service by definition, that is ridiculous. Appreciate not many will target it after Middlesbrough, but that's not the point.
(18 Apr 2021, 7:13 pm)Micheal Aaron Parker Possible because nobody wanted to get on or off
(18 Apr 2021, 6:36 pm)RobinHood I noticed on bustimes.org that the X11 completely missed Billingham out both yesterday and today on the return trip.
This resulted in the bus basically running incredibly early and arriving into Gateshead eventually around half an hour early.
Given this is a registered local bus service by definition, that is ridiculous. Appreciate not many will target it after Middlesbrough, but that's not the point.
(18 Apr 2021, 7:13 pm)Micheal Aaron Parker Possible because nobody wanted to get on or off
(18 Apr 2021, 6:36 pm)RobinHood I noticed on bustimes.org that the X11 completely missed Billingham out both yesterday and today on the return trip.
This resulted in the bus basically running incredibly early and arriving into Gateshead eventually around half an hour early.
Given this is a registered local bus service by definition, that is ridiculous. Appreciate not many will target it after Middlesbrough, but that's not the point.
The coach went through Billingham today according to the map. Maybe 6377 does the A19 if its full and the coach does Billingham
(18 Apr 2021, 8:10 pm)Micheal Aaron Parker The coach went through Billingham today according to the map. Maybe 6377 does the A19 if its full and the coach does Billingham
(18 Apr 2021, 6:36 pm)RobinHood I noticed on bustimes.org that the X11 completely missed Billingham out both yesterday and today on the return trip.Middlesbrough Bus Station seemingly omitted on tonight's journey if the tracking on BusTimes is correct.
This resulted in the bus basically running incredibly early and arriving into Gateshead eventually around half an hour early.
Given this is a registered local bus service by definition, that is ridiculous. Appreciate not many will target it after Middlesbrough, but that's not the point.
(18 Apr 2021, 6:36 pm)RobinHood I noticed on bustimes.org that the X11 completely missed Billingham out both yesterday and today on the return trip.Middlesbrough Bus Station seemingly omitted on tonight's journey if the tracking on BusTimes is correct.
This resulted in the bus basically running incredibly early and arriving into Gateshead eventually around half an hour early.
Given this is a registered local bus service by definition, that is ridiculous. Appreciate not many will target it after Middlesbrough, but that's not the point.
(18 Apr 2021, 9:30 pm)Jimmi Middlesbrough Bus Station seemingly omitted on tonight's journey if the tracking on BusTimes is correct.
Another thing I've picked up on from looking at photos online is the service is not leaving from the correct stand in Scarborough Town Centre, its registered to leave from stand U (same as 7A & 128) but is leaving from the first stand enabling it to turn onto Hanover Road to join Victoria Road rather than do the length of Victoria Road prior to turning left onto Northway towards Whitby.
(18 Apr 2021, 9:30 pm)Jimmi Middlesbrough Bus Station seemingly omitted on tonight's journey if the tracking on BusTimes is correct.
Another thing I've picked up on from looking at photos online is the service is not leaving from the correct stand in Scarborough Town Centre, its registered to leave from stand U (same as 7A & 128) but is leaving from the first stand enabling it to turn onto Hanover Road to join Victoria Road rather than do the length of Victoria Road prior to turning left onto Northway towards Whitby.
But, but... Isn't it just independents who miss sections of route out? I'd hope BSOG wasn't being claimed for these missing sections mind.
Either way, glad to hear the first weekend was a success. Hopefully it is sustainable and loads are like that on a regular basis.
(19 Apr 2021, 8:24 am)Andreos1 But, but... Isn't it just independents who miss sections of route out? I'd hope BSOG wasn't being claimed for these missing sections mind.
Either way, glad to hear the first weekend was a success. Hopefully it is sustainable and loads are like that on a regular basis.
(19 Apr 2021, 8:24 am)Andreos1 But, but... Isn't it just independents who miss sections of route out? I'd hope BSOG wasn't being claimed for these missing sections mind.
Either way, glad to hear the first weekend was a success. Hopefully it is sustainable and loads are like that on a regular basis.
(19 Apr 2021, 8:24 am)Andreos1 But, but... Isn't it just independents who miss sections of route out? I'd hope BSOG wasn't being claimed for these missing sections mind.
Either way, glad to hear the first weekend was a success. Hopefully it is sustainable and loads are like that on a regular basis.
(19 Apr 2021, 8:24 am)Andreos1 But, but... Isn't it just independents who miss sections of route out? I'd hope BSOG wasn't being claimed for these missing sections mind.
Either way, glad to hear the first weekend was a success. Hopefully it is sustainable and loads are like that on a regular basis.
