Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
Sorry I didn't know where else to put this, so I thought this most convenient place.
Does anyone know what Stagecoach are going to do about the ever imminent CAZ in Newcastle as they still have MAN ALX300's in active service and they cannot just move them onto other single decker routes as there are only 2 routes that don't enter the city centre at all, which is 6,7,8 and 18. However I feel there would be too many of them so they would have to cascade some. Do you think some new E200 MMC's could be on the way?
Also what are they doing about it? Such as GNE lowering emission standards to Euro 6 on most routes, even there Hybrids as euro 6 is cleaner. Are the E400's euro 6? I know the 69 plates are but what about the 16 plates and older??
(18 May 2021, 6:40 pm)logidoodah Sorry I didn't know where else to put this, so I thought this most convenient place.
Does anyone know what Stagecoach are going to do about the ever imminent CAZ in Newcastle as they still have MAN ALX300's in active service and they cannot just move them onto other single decker routes as there are only 2 routes that don't enter the city centre at all, which is 6,7,8 and 18. However I feel there would be too many of them so they would have to cascade some. Do you think some new E200 MMC's could be on the way?
Also what are they doing about it? Such as GNE lowering emission standards to Euro 6 on most routes, even there Hybrids as euro 6 is cleaner. Are the E400's euro 6? I know the 69 plates are but what about the 16 plates and older??
(18 May 2021, 6:40 pm)logidoodah Sorry I didn't know where else to put this, so I thought this most convenient place.
Does anyone know what Stagecoach are going to do about the ever imminent CAZ in Newcastle as they still have MAN ALX300's in active service and they cannot just move them onto other single decker routes as there are only 2 routes that don't enter the city centre at all, which is 6,7,8 and 18. However I feel there would be too many of them so they would have to cascade some. Do you think some new E200 MMC's could be on the way?
Also what are they doing about it? Such as GNE lowering emission standards to Euro 6 on most routes, even there Hybrids as euro 6 is cleaner. Are the E400's euro 6? I know the 69 plates are but what about the 16 plates and older??
(18 May 2021, 7:29 pm)deanmachine I have a feeling some E300s from Stockton or even the E200MMCs could be getting swapped. I'd of said the Sunderland ones but South Tyneside Council footed the bill for Euro 6 upgrades to them.
(18 May 2021, 7:29 pm)deanmachine I have a feeling some E300s from Stockton or even the E200MMCs could be getting swapped. I'd of said the Sunderland ones but South Tyneside Council footed the bill for Euro 6 upgrades to them.
(18 May 2021, 8:48 pm)AIG20 Yet quite a few MAN E200s are allocated to the E's on most days, with some of the ADL E300s being used on other routes that don't go anywhere near South Tyneside?
Therefore, would there be any repercussions if 27726-40 were transferred to Slatyford? Even as a temporary measure until funds become available for new vehicles to be purchased.
(18 May 2021, 8:48 pm)AIG20 Yet quite a few MAN E200s are allocated to the E's on most days, with some of the ADL E300s being used on other routes that don't go anywhere near South Tyneside?
Therefore, would there be any repercussions if 27726-40 were transferred to Slatyford? Even as a temporary measure until funds become available for new vehicles to be purchased.
(18 May 2021, 7:29 pm)deanmachine I have a feeling some E300s from Stockton or even the E200MMCs could be getting swapped. I'd of said the Sunderland ones but South Tyneside Council footed the bill for Euro 6 upgrades to them.The 8 does go into Newcastle, im sure it goes to Central Station
(18 May 2021, 7:29 pm)deanmachine I have a feeling some E300s from Stockton or even the E200MMCs could be getting swapped. I'd of said the Sunderland ones but South Tyneside Council footed the bill for Euro 6 upgrades to them.The 8 does go into Newcastle, im sure it goes to Central Station
I don't understand why stagecoach should get rid of the MAN 18.220 Alexander ALX300. There still in good shape and good working order. Still sound amazing
(18 May 2021, 11:04 pm)Micheal Aaron I don't understand why stagecoach should get rid of the MAN 18.220 Alexander ALX300. There still in good shape and good working order. Still sound amazingNot get rid of,we're talking about putting them on other routes,which would either be the 6,7,or 18, because of the Euro Ratings of them they wouldnt be allowed on other services when CAZ comes into play,some of them are very much end of the line now anyway,being between 16 and 18 years old,the younger ALX300's are 14 years old
(18 May 2021, 11:04 pm)Micheal Aaron I don't understand why stagecoach should get rid of the MAN 18.220 Alexander ALX300. There still in good shape and good working order. Still sound amazingNot get rid of,we're talking about putting them on other routes,which would either be the 6,7,or 18, because of the Euro Ratings of them they wouldnt be allowed on other services when CAZ comes into play,some of them are very much end of the line now anyway,being between 16 and 18 years old,the younger ALX300's are 14 years old
Tbh they suit being on the X63 but I know one day they will get taken off. I could see them on the 6 7 and the 8. And even the 18
(19 May 2021, 12:24 pm)Micheal Aaron Tbh they suit being on the X63 but I know one day they will get taken off. I could see them on the 6 7 and the 8. And even the 18They cant go on the 8 as it go's to Central Station,and its not on a full time service anyway,likewise they cant go on the X63,basically any service that go's through or to the City Centre from when CAZ comes into play must have a specified Euro rating,i believe Euro 6, so the ALX300's cant be allocated to those routes as they arent Euro 6,and because of their age wont have any Euro 6 modifications
(19 May 2021, 12:24 pm)Micheal Aaron Tbh they suit being on the X63 but I know one day they will get taken off. I could see them on the 6 7 and the 8. And even the 18They cant go on the 8 as it go's to Central Station,and its not on a full time service anyway,likewise they cant go on the X63,basically any service that go's through or to the City Centre from when CAZ comes into play must have a specified Euro rating,i believe Euro 6, so the ALX300's cant be allocated to those routes as they arent Euro 6,and because of their age wont have any Euro 6 modifications
Or, depending on the structure of the 'fines' for taking a non-compliant bus into the CAZ, they may be better of paying up than replacing the vehicles straight away.
(18 May 2021, 11:04 pm)Micheal Aaron I don't understand why stagecoach should get rid of the MAN 18.220 Alexander ALX300. There still in good shape and good working order. Still sound amazing
(19 May 2021, 11:37 am)V514DFT Not get rid of,we're talking about putting them on other routes,which would either be the 6,7,or 18, because of the Euro Ratings of them they wouldnt be allowed on other services when CAZ comes into play,some of them are very much end of the line now anyway,being between 16 and 18 years old,the younger ALX300's are 14 years old
(18 May 2021, 11:04 pm)Micheal Aaron I don't understand why stagecoach should get rid of the MAN 18.220 Alexander ALX300. There still in good shape and good working order. Still sound amazing
(19 May 2021, 11:37 am)V514DFT Not get rid of,we're talking about putting them on other routes,which would either be the 6,7,or 18, because of the Euro Ratings of them they wouldnt be allowed on other services when CAZ comes into play,some of them are very much end of the line now anyway,being between 16 and 18 years old,the younger ALX300's are 14 years old
(19 May 2021, 7:09 pm)logidoodah I was in Eldon Square Bus Station earlier on today and I saw quite a few ALX300's (as usually allocated to X47, X77/8, X82, X87/88) and I think I only saw 1 possibly 2 that didn't cough out thick black smoke, they look even older compared to GNE's Citaro's (one coughed out black smoke I think and it was either 5337/5338) and Omnicites,[/size] even though there not much older. I think this is because no other buses were coughing out black smoke.
(19 May 2021, 7:09 pm)logidoodah I was in Eldon Square Bus Station earlier on today and I saw quite a few ALX300's (as usually allocated to X47, X77/8, X82, X87/88) and I think I only saw 1 possibly 2 that didn't cough out thick black smoke, they look even older compared to GNE's Citaro's (one coughed out black smoke I think and it was either 5337/5338) and Omnicites,[/size] even though there not much older. I think this is because no other buses were coughing out black smoke.
(19 May 2021, 10:04 pm)Malarkey The MAN E200's are awful for kicking out smoke and also need replacing as a few still work the 6/7/8 & 32/32A while as you say the ALX300's are usually allocated X47, X63, X77/X78, X82, X87/X88 with the odd few sneaking on the 10/11/12/22/31 and 100 most days. Not sure what has had Euro 6 upgrades other than MAN E300's 24101-15, i'd imagine the 60 plate E400's have along with E400H's but there is a fare few 07/57/58 plate E400's which are Euro 4 rated.
Either way Stagecoach need to invest massively in Newcastle in the coming months with the emission zone coming into effect and I would personally like to see new buses on the Newcastle Expresses as it would give them a much needed boost as they've went far to long with having an "odd ball" allocation as we see on a daily basis and I do think this will impact passengers numbers when majority of the vehicles allocated do no not have Wifi or NSA's.
(19 May 2021, 10:04 pm)Malarkey The MAN E200's are awful for kicking out smoke and also need replacing as a few still work the 6/7/8 & 32/32A while as you say the ALX300's are usually allocated X47, X63, X77/X78, X82, X87/X88 with the odd few sneaking on the 10/11/12/22/31 and 100 most days. Not sure what has had Euro 6 upgrades other than MAN E300's 24101-15, i'd imagine the 60 plate E400's have along with E400H's but there is a fare few 07/57/58 plate E400's which are Euro 4 rated.
Either way Stagecoach need to invest massively in Newcastle in the coming months with the emission zone coming into effect and I would personally like to see new buses on the Newcastle Expresses as it would give them a much needed boost as they've went far to long with having an "odd ball" allocation as we see on a daily basis and I do think this will impact passengers numbers when majority of the vehicles allocated do no not have Wifi or NSA's.
(18 May 2021, 6:40 pm)logidoodah Sorry I didn't know where else to put this, so I thought this most convenient place.One option for Stagecoach is swapping the 64 65 plate E300 at Stockton with the remaining man Alexander 300s which would help in the short term. I suppose they could take a few E200 MMC as well from Stockton. Ideally though Stagecoach need to do something so if money is available I would do the following.
Does anyone know what Stagecoach are going to do about the ever imminent CAZ in Newcastle as they still have MAN ALX300's in active service and they cannot just move them onto other single decker routes as there are only 2 routes that don't enter the city centre at all, which is 6,7,8 and 18. However I feel there would be too many of them so they would have to cascade some. Do you think some new E200 MMC's could be on the way?
Also what are they doing about it? Such as GNE lowering emission standards to Euro 6 on most routes, even there Hybrids as euro 6 is cleaner. Are the E400's euro 6? I know the 69 plates are but what about the 16 plates and older??
(18 May 2021, 6:40 pm)logidoodah Sorry I didn't know where else to put this, so I thought this most convenient place.One option for Stagecoach is swapping the 64 65 plate E300 at Stockton with the remaining man Alexander 300s which would help in the short term. I suppose they could take a few E200 MMC as well from Stockton. Ideally though Stagecoach need to do something so if money is available I would do the following.
Does anyone know what Stagecoach are going to do about the ever imminent CAZ in Newcastle as they still have MAN ALX300's in active service and they cannot just move them onto other single decker routes as there are only 2 routes that don't enter the city centre at all, which is 6,7,8 and 18. However I feel there would be too many of them so they would have to cascade some. Do you think some new E200 MMC's could be on the way?
Also what are they doing about it? Such as GNE lowering emission standards to Euro 6 on most routes, even there Hybrids as euro 6 is cleaner. Are the E400's euro 6? I know the 69 plates are but what about the 16 plates and older??
