Could Norham Road Be closing in the long term?
Could Norham Road Be closing in the long term?
Sorry for the controversial post but
GNE has submitted a bit for ZEBRA funding for 59 new electric buses for Tyneside & Hexham routes which includes 17 vechicles for the 309/310/311 Cobalt & Coast routes on the Coast Road corridor
Question is
Can Norham Road site sustain 17 electric vechicles?
Does this suggest the site may need to be relocated?
Or will 17 vechicles be displaced to a different depot elsewhere?
(19 Jan 2022, 1:15 am)DaveFromUpNorth Sorry for the controversial post butMight be an opportunity for a replacement depot?
GNE has submitted a bit for ZEBRA funding for 59 new electric buses for Tyneside & Hexham routes which includes 17 vechicles for the 309/310/311 Cobalt & Coast routes on the Coast Road corridor
Question is
Can Norham Road site sustain 17 electric vechicles?
Does this suggest the site may need to be relocated?
Or will 17 vechicles be displaced to a different depot elsewhere?
(19 Jan 2022, 1:15 am)DaveFromUpNorth Sorry for the controversial post butMight be an opportunity for a replacement depot?
GNE has submitted a bit for ZEBRA funding for 59 new electric buses for Tyneside & Hexham routes which includes 17 vechicles for the 309/310/311 Cobalt & Coast routes on the Coast Road corridor
Question is
Can Norham Road site sustain 17 electric vechicles?
Does this suggest the site may need to be relocated?
Or will 17 vechicles be displaced to a different depot elsewhere?
(19 Jan 2022, 1:15 am)DaveFromUpNorth Sorry for the controversial post but
GNE has submitted a bit for ZEBRA funding for 59 new electric buses for Tyneside & Hexham routes which includes 17 vechicles for the 309/310/311 Cobalt & Coast routes on the Coast Road corridor
Question is
Can Norham Road site sustain 17 electric vechicles?
Does this suggest the site may need to be relocated?
Or will 17 vechicles be displaced to a different depot elsewhere?
(19 Jan 2022, 1:15 am)DaveFromUpNorth Sorry for the controversial post but
GNE has submitted a bit for ZEBRA funding for 59 new electric buses for Tyneside & Hexham routes which includes 17 vechicles for the 309/310/311 Cobalt & Coast routes on the Coast Road corridor
Question is
Can Norham Road site sustain 17 electric vechicles?
Does this suggest the site may need to be relocated?
Or will 17 vechicles be displaced to a different depot elsewhere?
(19 Jan 2022, 11:29 am)Adrian The decker operation (including Percy Main) is supposed to be operational by March 2024, so I'd suggest there's not enough time there to plan, sell, build and move depot.That might be an idea. Something on the TT Industrial Estate or New York Industrial estate.
The biggest challenge is probably the electricity supply. Riverside ended up going through planning and getting a substation built for the VOLTRA fleet (although with extra capacity). I can't see any planning application in for the Percy Main depot yet.
(19 Jan 2022, 11:29 am)Adrian The decker operation (including Percy Main) is supposed to be operational by March 2024, so I'd suggest there's not enough time there to plan, sell, build and move depot.That might be an idea. Something on the TT Industrial Estate or New York Industrial estate.
The biggest challenge is probably the electricity supply. Riverside ended up going through planning and getting a substation built for the VOLTRA fleet (although with extra capacity). I can't see any planning application in for the Percy Main depot yet.
I can't see any new depot in North Tyneside, the place blatantly barely makes any money considering every route is subsidised bar the 1/309/310/311 and the last 3 are on a reduced timetable at night time because, 'North Tyneside is a low usage area during the day, never mind the evening,' and the drivers are used elsewhere as said last night.
There's no chance for getting investment in a full depot out there imo unless something changes big time or there's some form of working together with other operators to save money, work with Arriva at Walkergate for example which supposedly is going to have electric charging potential but that sort of partnership is unknown.
(19 Jan 2022, 2:04 pm)Storx I can't see any new depot in North Tyneside, the place blatantly barely makes any money considering every route is subsidised bar the 1/309/310/311 and the last 3 are on a reduced timetable at night time because, 'North Tyneside is a low usage area during the day, never mind the evening,' and the drivers are used elsewhere as said last night.
There's no chance for getting investment in a full depot out there imo unless something changes big time or there's some form of working together with other operators to save money, work with Arriva at Walkergate for example which supposedly is going to have electric charging potential but that sort of partnership is unknown.
(19 Jan 2022, 2:04 pm)Storx I can't see any new depot in North Tyneside, the place blatantly barely makes any money considering every route is subsidised bar the 1/309/310/311 and the last 3 are on a reduced timetable at night time because, 'North Tyneside is a low usage area during the day, never mind the evening,' and the drivers are used elsewhere as said last night.
There's no chance for getting investment in a full depot out there imo unless something changes big time or there's some form of working together with other operators to save money, work with Arriva at Walkergate for example which supposedly is going to have electric charging potential but that sort of partnership is unknown.
Jesmond depot been sold to developers for student accommodation
(20 Jan 2022, 5:00 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Jesmond depot been sold to developers for student accommodationSurely the building, or at least facia is listed?
(20 Jan 2022, 6:08 pm)54APhotography Surely the building, or at least facia is listed?
(20 Jan 2022, 6:08 pm)54APhotography Surely the building, or at least facia is listed?
Why would Percy Main depot not be able to accommodate electric buses. They’ll need works to connect the infrastructure to the national grid (which would no doubt take an age with all the red tape) wherever they were located. Many other older depots have had similar works done around the country.
(21 Jan 2022, 9:36 am)Adrian The whole building appears to be listed: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/t...ry/1024795I do hope this is will not be a developers victory, nobody wants more cars on that road and we need to preserve what we can of our transport heritage. Dean Road at South Shields is a fine ex tramshed still operational, and thankfully Wingrove is still there, in building only.
There was similar a couple years ago with the County Hospital in Durham. Listed and in a conservation area, but developers won in the end.
(21 Jan 2022, 9:36 am)Adrian The whole building appears to be listed: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/t...ry/1024795I do hope this is will not be a developers victory, nobody wants more cars on that road and we need to preserve what we can of our transport heritage. Dean Road at South Shields is a fine ex tramshed still operational, and thankfully Wingrove is still there, in building only.
There was similar a couple years ago with the County Hospital in Durham. Listed and in a conservation area, but developers won in the end.
(21 Jan 2022, 11:28 pm)Wybus Why would Percy Main depot not be able to accommodate electric buses. They’ll need works to connect the infrastructure to the national grid (which would no doubt take an age with all the red tape) wherever they were located. Many other older depots have had similar works done around the country.Percy Main isn't big enough to have an area for the charging ports (if there the same as the Voltra)
(21 Jan 2022, 11:28 pm)Wybus Why would Percy Main depot not be able to accommodate electric buses. They’ll need works to connect the infrastructure to the national grid (which would no doubt take an age with all the red tape) wherever they were located. Many other older depots have had similar works done around the country.Percy Main isn't big enough to have an area for the charging ports (if there the same as the Voltra)
(22 Jan 2022, 8:39 pm)Train8261 Percy Main isn't big enough to have an area for the charging ports (if there the same as the Voltra)
It's mentioned that there is 17 electric buses.
Have a look at Voltra space at Riverside and think... it will be tight but you will also need to factor in a sub station to be built and remidal works
(22 Jan 2022, 8:39 pm)Train8261 Percy Main isn't big enough to have an area for the charging ports (if there the same as the Voltra)
(23 Jan 2022, 9:00 pm)Train8261 A long shot but what about the current temporary depot at Howden for the metro. If they knock that down one the new one is built. Could it see Percy Main move there. Area is big enough for a depot and space for an area for charging ports
(22 Jan 2022, 8:39 pm)Train8261 Percy Main isn't big enough to have an area for the charging ports (if there the same as the Voltra)
(23 Jan 2022, 9:00 pm)Train8261 A long shot but what about the current temporary depot at Howden for the metro. If they knock that down one the new one is built. Could it see Percy Main move there. Area is big enough for a depot and space for an area for charging ports
(23 Jan 2022, 10:37 pm)Adrian What are you basing these statements on? Do we know for sure? I'd suggest the supply and need for a substation is a problem that needs to be overcome, but at the same time we don't know whether there's already sufficient electricity capacity or different technology available at the existing Percy Main depot.Even if the supply isn't sufficient, the cost of upgrading it had to be significantly lower than a new depot!
You can't just pluck a new depot out of fresh air. The costs for planning a new depot, building it, moving and selling old one aren't exactly insignificant. The new Consett depot cost a reported £3.5 million. There's already a hefty investment by Go North East in this project (£20 million, iirc!) without that added cost.
For me, the business case is clear in that it's going to be out of the existing facility at Percy Main.
(23 Jan 2022, 10:37 pm)Adrian What are you basing these statements on? Do we know for sure? I'd suggest the supply and need for a substation is a problem that needs to be overcome, but at the same time we don't know whether there's already sufficient electricity capacity or different technology available at the existing Percy Main depot.Even if the supply isn't sufficient, the cost of upgrading it had to be significantly lower than a new depot!
You can't just pluck a new depot out of fresh air. The costs for planning a new depot, building it, moving and selling old one aren't exactly insignificant. The new Consett depot cost a reported £3.5 million. There's already a hefty investment by Go North East in this project (£20 million, iirc!) without that added cost.
For me, the business case is clear in that it's going to be out of the existing facility at Percy Main.
Tyne Tunnel Trading Estate applying for permission to expand:
https://twitter.com/uklandestates/status...96065?s=21
