For the washington thing, It would be best on Wessington Way, so they have access to the 1231 and A19.However it goes to the Staff Shuttle's for Sunderland would be a massive pain around rush hour. But I don't know how many drivers start at 5pm.

Not sure about the morning rush hour. Also for Artic Buses, there's no service where they could be used except to my knowledge the 56/58/X66.

Artic Buses were stipulated for the Park & Rides once they are up and running.

Artic Buses were stipulated for the Park & Rides once they are up and running.

Did I miss something, what Park & Rides?

Artic Buses were stipulated for the Park & Rides once they are up and running.

Is this related to the BSIP?     

I would imagine nothing is written in stone, and that changes could be made.

Articulated buses weren’t very successful the first time they were ran by GNE.

Artic buses are bad for the environment wether they they are electric hybrid or not

Bus stop capacity bus station capacity eg difficult in most bus stations

And secondly they take 2.5 times of space on the road which if I remember rightly why Ken livingstone and Boris got rid of them in London due to length etc

It was worked out that a double decker bus was more efficient and effective

Only benefit to having a bendy bus is if you use it on a route with low bridges where a double decker couldn't be used but we have little issue of that on "core" routes in the North East

Artic buses are bad for the environment wether they they are electric hybrid or not

Bus stop capacity bus station capacity eg difficult in most bus stations

And secondly they take 2.5 times of space on the road which if I remember rightly why Ken livingstone and Boris got rid of them in London due to length etc

It was worked out that a double decker bus was more efficient and effective

Only benefit to having a bendy bus is if you use it on a route with low bridges where a double decker couldn't be used but we have little issue of that on "core" routes in the North East

I'd argue that the main benefits of a bendy bus are they're more accessible as there's no stairs to deal with, and they're quicker to empty as there can be an extra door in the back

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I'd argue that the main benefits of a bendy bus are they're more accessible as there's no stairs to deal with, and they're quicker to empty as there can be an extra door in the back

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The biggest problem with a bendy bus and a big reason their not used is they have massive ticket avoidance as people just sneak on the back door where the driver can't see / won't do anything. It was an issue on the 58 at times when I was on and a massive problem in London.

The biggest problem with a bendy bus and a big reason their not used is they have massive ticket avoidance as people just sneak on the back door where the driver can't see / won't do anything. It was an issue on the 58 at times when I was on and a massive problem in London.

Nope.

The biggest reason why they were unsuccessful is because they were averaging around 5 miles per gallon in fuel costs making them uneconomical to run when compared with other vehicle types.

Your rationale for London doesn't really hold much water either as most vehicles are dual-door thus making it more susceptible to fare evaders. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's unlikely a massive problem as you claim.

Nope.

The biggest reason why they were unsuccessful is because they were averaging around 5 miles per gallon in fuel costs making them uneconomical to run when compared with other vehicle types.

Your rationale for London doesn't really hold much water either as most vehicles are dual-door thus making it more susceptible to fare evaders. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's unlikely a massive problem as you claim.

It was quite a big problem down there, reported that the avoidance was nearly double on a bendy bus vs a conventional decker down there

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/....transport

That was more a London perspective rather than up here though. They're just awful things anywhere, I'm not sure how true the artic reference is anyway I'm not aware of it being said anywhere recently.

It was quite a big problem down there, reported that the avoidance was nearly double on a bendy bus vs a conventional decker down there

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/....transport

That was more a London perspective rather than up here though. They're just awful things anywhere, I'm not sure how true the artic reference is anyway I'm not aware of it being said anywhere recently.

Fare evasion might have gone up by about 2.5k per bus on average, but that must have been expected when the switch from AEC Routemasters to articulated buses also coincided with losing the two-person operation. Arguably that average increase in fare evasion is a drop in the ocean of what it would have been to employ conductors for each bus.

As MurdnunoC has said, the fuel consumption on them was shocking and is likely a major reason why they only lasted 5 minutes up here.

Is this related to the BSIP?     

I would imagine nothing is written in stone, and that changes could be made.

Articulated buses weren’t very successful the first time they were ran by GNE.

Documented on Page 130 of the BSIP Final Document, information attached below.  

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Documented on Page 130 of the BSIP Final Document, information attached below.  

Some posters seem to think that because it’s written down it can’t or won’t be changed. 

Seeing that it’s unlikely that BSIP will go ahead in its entirety (if at all) it’s obvious that anything in that final proposal document is not set in stone

Some posters seem to think that because it’s written down it can’t or won’t be changed. 

Seeing that it’s unlikely that BSIP will go ahead in its entirety (if at all) it’s obvious that anything in that final proposal document is not set in stone

I suppose that goes for everything that is written down. Do you propose that we don't discuss anything, because at some point it can be changed?

It's in the BSIP document, so it's a discussion point. Just as whether or not it goes ahead is.

I suppose that goes for everything that is written down. Do you propose that we don't discuss anything, because at some point it can be changed?

It's in the BSIP document, so it's a discussion point. Just as whether or not it goes ahead is.

Of course I don’t propose that.   I’m just pointing out that things can change. Therefore I’m actually opening up the discussion rather than closing it down.

https://twitter.com/fullcirclebrew/statu...IZbMdv6qVw&s=19

Businesses are getting behind the campaign to reinstate the Q3 between St Peters and Wallsend.

https://twitter.com/fullcirclebrew/statu...IZbMdv6qVw&s=19

Businesses are getting behind the campaign to reinstate the Q3 between St Peters and Wallsend.

I do need to ask though. Who in the right mind thought that getting the 12 anywhere on the Q3 route is a better replacement 

The Q3 crosses the 12 route once and that's in Newcastle near Blackett Street. I'm sure GNE&Nexus got confused with the 18. The 18 stops in St Peters Basin alongside the Q3 yet the 18 goes nowhere near Wallsend

Anyone who uses the Q3 route between Wallsend & St Peters Basin (don't know where the 12 joins it I know it does somewhere) but surely Nexus or Go North East could have thought this part through

I could understand if the 18 got extended to Wallsend Metro as a replacement but that seems not to be the case

https://twitter.com/fullcirclebrew/statu...IZbMdv6qVw&s=19

Businesses are getting behind the campaign to reinstate the Q3 between St Peters and Wallsend.

the Wallsend runs of the 12 could've been renumbered 12A and run Byker-Dalton Street-St Michael's Road-Albion Row-Walker Road-Basin-Walker Road-back onto 12 route to Walker/Wallsend - then you have the full lost route covered + more frequent links to Byker (for a place already in Byker it has a pretty shocking service to the centre)

the businesses in the basin won't just be hiring people from the Gosforth and toon end of the Q3, there'll be people from Wallsend who now face a 15 minute walk to their nearest 12 stop.

Maybe NEXUS could advise folk to/from St Peters to use the 18 and change, they do fund that one and don't even mention it on the Nexus consultation page !

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Grasmere Terrace, SR7 9TF (grid reference NZ395468) - closed Feb 1990

Yes it was, it was moved to the 265, from the 65 full sized buses (regularly using double deckers) at every 60 mins, same with the 65. 

Also I believe they're contracted

Am I correct in thinking it was a CLS route before it became the 265?

Actually, I've been having a look at the timetable (this is from a 2010 image of the GNE website but goodness knows how long it'd been in place by then) and it seems a bit odd.

Please correct me if I'm looking at this horribly wrong, but it looks to me that both buses on weekdays start at Seaham, but end at opposite ends of the route, and the low floor buses also take over at opposite ends (presumably running off other routes). Weekends they seem to start and end towards the Seaham end (I'd be surprised if those 2315 journeys from Seaham carted round much more than a driver and some fresh air).
This is all implying to me it was a Deptford route, not a CLS one.

Actually, I've been having a look at the timetable (this is from a 2010 image of the GNE website but goodness knows how long it'd been in place by then) and it seems a bit odd.

Please correct me if I'm looking at this horribly wrong, but it looks to me that both buses on weekdays start at Seaham, but end at opposite ends of the route, and the low floor buses also take over at opposite ends (presumably running off other routes). Weekends they seem to start and end towards the Seaham end (I'd be surprised if those 2315 journeys from Seaham carted round much more than a driver and some fresh air).
This is all implying to me it was a Deptford route, not a CLS one.

The most interesting part of that timetable to me is the bit about the clocks being fitted at the front of all GNE buses!

They should definitely bring them back

Actually, I've been having a look at the timetable (this is from a 2010 image of the GNE website but goodness knows how long it'd been in place by then) and it seems a bit odd.

Please correct me if I'm looking at this horribly wrong, but it looks to me that both buses on weekdays start at Seaham, but end at opposite ends of the route, and the low floor buses also take over at opposite ends (presumably running off other routes). Weekends they seem to start and end towards the Seaham end (I'd be surprised if those 2315 journeys from Seaham carted round much more than a driver and some fresh air).
This is all implying to me it was a Deptford route, not a CLS one.

It was CLS ran, as it ran with old Waggonways etc, the 09:01 ran off the School 877. Also ran with 3945 were a regular occurrence. Then it moved to Peterlee.

The 65 was definitely a CLS route directly before it was replaced with the 65. As this rare working appears to confirm, with a CLS based Lambton Worm DAF for service 34 appearing on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswhite...otostream/

That timetable is pretty similar to the last the 65 timetable I remember before it was replaced with the 65. The first buses always started at Seaham and the last journey from Seaham terminated at Hetton even when the last journey was 20:15.

And I also remember it interworking with the 877 scholar bus as it would occasionally throw up some rare branded workings, I recall Lime B10s and Whey Aye 5-0s moonlighting in Seaham!

The 65 was definitely a CLS route directly before it was replaced with the 65. As this rare working appears to confirm, with a CLS based Lambton Worm DAF for service 34 appearing on the service -  https://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswhite...otostream/

That timetable is pretty similar to the last the 65 timetable I remember before it was replaced with the 65. The first buses always started at Seaham and the last journey from Seaham terminated at Hetton even when the last journey was 20:15.

And I also remember it interworking with the 877 scholar bus as it would occasionally throw up some rare branded workings, I recall Lime B10s and Whey Aye 5-0s moonlighting in Seaham!

If it broke down really past Low Moorsley Deptford would come and send a replacement I remeber a old Drifter Versa operating it. I also remember getting a Lime and Whey Aye 5-0 on a morning on the 65. It was nice as they were relatively new.

The 65 was definitely a CLS route directly before it was replaced with the 65. As this rare working appears to confirm, with a CLS based Lambton Worm DAF for service 34 appearing on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswhite...otostream/

That timetable is pretty similar to the last the 65 timetable I remember before it was replaced with the 65. The first buses always started at Seaham and the last journey from Seaham terminated at Hetton even when the last journey was 20:15.

And I also remember it interworking with the 877 scholar bus as it would occasionally throw up some rare branded workings, I recall Lime B10s and Whey Aye 5-0s moonlighting in Seaham!

Even as the 265, CLS still operated some of the weekday peak time trips along with Deptford at points which although generally double deck operated would chuck up all sorts of oddities over the years from Fast Cats Solars to The Castle Express StreetDecks, was even more potential for oddities on an afternoon when the schools were off.

Alright, thanks for the info on that
It does puzzle me as to why the first buses are from Seaham and the last buses are to Seaham when the depot's on the other end of the route.

Sorry for slightly derailing this thread, though.

Even as the 265, CLS still operated some of the weekday peak time trips along with Deptford at points which although generally double deck operated would chuck up all sorts of oddities over the years from Fast Cats Solars to The Castle Express StreetDecks, was even more potential for oddities on an afternoon when the schools were off.

Oh yes you’re right. I’m pretty sure just before the 65 was reintroduced one of the weekday morning journeys was an X21 XLINES StreetDeck which then ran onto the X21 at Durham. A nice change from the indigo solos!

In other news, is there any more info on Peterlee depot closing? Such as a date of closing and where the routes are going to be operated from? I wonder if they’ll be service changes first then the depot closing.

Oh yes you’re right. I’m pretty sure just before the 65 was reintroduced one of the weekday morning journeys was an X21 XLINES StreetDeck which then ran onto the X21 at Durham. A nice change from the indigo solos!

In other news, is there any more info on Peterlee depot closing? Such as a date of closing and where the routes are going to be operated from? I wonder if they’ll be service changes first then the depot closing.

Afaik it is 30th march. 

With 59/204 moving to CLS (only ones which make sense) and the rest moving to Deptford. Idk if these will be seperate rota, or where the 65 will change over.

Afaik it is 30th march. 

With 59/204 moving to CLS (only ones which make sense) and the rest moving to Deptford. Idk if these will be seperate rota, or where the 65 will change over.

I wonder where the drivers used to change over when it was originally the 154 when park lane operated them, there was a couple of times when the 154 was extended to park lane during the 154 dynasty, maybe the 65 could do the same with an extension to Sunderland


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Actually, I've been having a look at the timetable (this is from a 2010 image of the GNE website but goodness knows how long it'd been in place by then) and it seems a bit odd.

Please correct me if I'm looking at this horribly wrong, but it looks to me that both buses on weekdays start at Seaham, but end at opposite ends of the route, and the low floor buses also take over at opposite ends (presumably running off other routes). Weekends they seem to start and end towards the Seaham end (I'd be surprised if those 2315 journeys from Seaham carted round much more than a driver and some fresh air).
This is all implying to me it was a Deptford route, not a CLS one.

I can't recall what happened with the evening journeys, but around that time they'd have been using the East Lancs Pyoneer bodied Olympians during the day. 

The most interesting part of that timetable to me is the bit about the clocks being fitted at the front of all GNE buses!

They should definitely bring them back

It's likely not needed, when you've got ticket machines that are capable of receiving an accurate time using NTP, along with technology to track early and late operation.

It's likely not needed, when you've got ticket machines that are capable of receiving an accurate time using NTP, along with technology to track early and late operation.

I remember the late Peter Huntley's comments on these when he had a crackdown in 2006 about drivers running early for extra ciggy breaks!