(01 Sep 2022, 7:18 pm)F114TML wrote Why? They're not changing as many services, and the only major change is withdrawing the 22 from Cobalt on sundays. The 317 was already consulted on.
https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation/it...ervice-317

Also, they're still short on drivers so not much point increasing the service.

I agree. Too many ‘bus spotters’ want changes for the sake of bus spotting. You ain’t going to find it with SNE.

(01 Sep 2022, 5:41 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Proposed changes to the Teesside network from October 23rd

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...tober-2022

It would seem Hartlepool at least for the time been is staying as it is as nothing so far as it would have been done at the same time.  The 36 been extended back to the Marina is a positive though as it currently just sits on Stockton Street or blocks the stands on Victoria Road while having a layover.     This is pretty much all positive changes though.

(01 Sep 2022, 7:23 pm)Economic505 wrote I agree. Too many ‘bus spotters’ want changes for the sake of bus spotting. You ain’t going to find it with SNE.

I aint no bus spotter

(01 Sep 2022, 6:13 pm)Dyllan7817 wrote Some pretty decent changes the 57 sounds interesting aswell

Only issue with that is the people on the new piece of route (and the existing route to be fair) are going to find a very odd 24/36 min split in their service… not that anyone would notice given the reliability of the 58 currently…


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(02 Sep 2022, 6:16 pm)tyresmoke wrote Only issue with that is the people on the new piece of route (and the existing route to be fair) are going to find a very odd 24/36 min split in their service… not that anyone would notice given the reliability of the 58 currently…


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Same situation with the 12 and 13 in Sunderland. 12 is twice-hourly, 13 is thrice-hourly; combining to every 12 minutes.

(02 Sep 2022, 6:20 pm)F114TML wrote Same situation with the 12 and 13 in Sunderland. 12 is twice-hourly, 13 is thrice-hourly; combining to every 12 minutes.

The 12 is 3 times an hour, although the frequency is uneven . Leaves Doxford Park at 10/34/58 during day.

(02 Sep 2022, 9:21 pm)Economic505 wrote The 12 is 3 times an hour, although the frequency is uneven . Leaves Doxford Park at 10/34/58 during day.

Yes always seemed a strange one, having the 12 the more frequent during the day but then the 13 being the one to run evenings/Sundays/bank hols.

(02 Sep 2022, 9:21 pm)Economic505 wrote The 12 is 3 times an hour, although the frequency is uneven . Leaves Doxford Park at 10/34/58 during day.

Thought it was the other way round. Point still stands - very odd.

(02 Sep 2022, 6:20 pm)F114TML wrote Same situation with the 12 and 13 in Sunderland. 12 is twice-hourly, 13 is thrice-hourly; combining to every 12 minutes.

Must admit I'm not one who usually promotes cutting services but if it allowed the 12/13 would be much better every 15 minutes combined imo. The 3 minutes is barely noticeable on the combined sections but having a 30/30 service is much better than 12/24/24 or 24/36 timetables which is just confusing to remember. Nothing worse than uneven timetables imo.

Well unless things get better and upping it either obviously.

Also if the 13 didn't run in the evenings then Gilley Law wouldn't have a bus service.

(01 Sep 2022, 5:47 pm)Andreos1 wrote Can't see many negatives there. Despite the warning we would!

Who’d have thought that someone working for another operator would be incorrect on cuts by another operator.


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(03 Sep 2022, 10:11 am)pbjd wrote Who’d have thought that someone working for another operator would be incorrect on cuts by another operator.

In fairness, there's still Covid money about currently. Stagecoach always made more money before the pandemic so they have more money to lose.

GNE definitely jumped the gun though since it's been extended 3 times now (maybe 4?) and made their first cuts way too early and didn't let the network rebuild - not that it would've made any difference due to lack of drivers. The Stagecoach Newcastle cuts, the only area done so far were quite substantial really (71 cut, 35 cut, 32/32A cut, 18 cut, frequency decreases allover etc.) especially when it's the most profitable area out of the network by a mile.

(03 Sep 2022, 10:11 am)pbjd wrote Who’d have thought that someone working for another operator would be incorrect on cuts by another operator.


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The Bus Recovery Grant funding has been extended again beyond October… My prediction was that service reductions would fall in line with the cancellation of BRG funding.

I suspect Stagecoach will hold out as long as possible while said funding is available - if it is then established that BSIP funding can be used to protect the current network (rather than as proposed to establish new links), then I’d hazard a guess that’s what Stagecoach and the local authorities will go for. It’s a safer bet for them.

Despite the desire from members of this forum to try something new rather than persevering with the current network, I don’t think many operators or local authorities are up for taking that risk. The local authorities in particular will have the main intention of retaining links because this is what current customers and local politicians will fight for.

Of course, I might be talking out my arse. Time will tell.


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(01 Sep 2022, 11:27 pm)col87 wrote It would seem Hartlepool at least for the time been is staying as it is as nothing so far as it would have been done at the same time.  The 36 been extended back to the Marina is a positive though as it currently just sits on Stockton Street or blocks the stands on Victoria Road while having a layover.     This is pretty much all positive changes though.

Hartlepool changes are there. Where it says ‘Teesside’, in the HTML table , click and change to Hartlepool. service 1 changing route in High Tunstall , plus an evening experimental service between Throston Grange and Seaton Carew.

(05 Sep 2022, 5:35 am)Economic505 wrote Hartlepool changes are there. Where it says ‘Teesside’, in the HTML table , click and change to Hartlepool. service 1 changing route in High Tunstall , plus an evening experimental service between Throston Grange and Seaton Carew.

Yeah have just seen it’s only recently been added but great news that it’s actually improvements rather than a decrease in services.  Other than the 1 getting an evening service it’s pretty much remaining the same which is great as most of the town has at least a half hourly service Monday - Saturday.   It’s only the villages of Dalton Piecy and Elwick which still have next to no service.

These stagecoach Sunderland changes must be coming soon. I hope they totally give the network a full refresh. New routes new route numbers and improved frequencies

(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 am)Acky81 wrote These stagecoach Sunderland changes must be coming soon. I hope they totally give the network a full refresh. New routes new route numbers and improved frequencies

Why change route numbers, the changes are mainly to even out to a 15 minute average, less 4's, 16's and 20's

(19 Sep 2022, 7:55 am)54APhotography wrote Why change route numbers, the changes are mainly to even out to a 15 minute average, less 4's, 16's and 20's

When are these changes happening?

Haven't seen out on VOSA or the Stagecoach site yet.

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However, changes for Teeside/Hartlepool happening on the 30.10.22 - all variation


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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 565 (58A) Port Clarence Hardwick

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 59 (59) Stockton North Tees Hospital

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 1h (1) Hartlepool High Tunstall Middlesbrough Bus Station

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 20980 (20, 980) Hartlepool Tofts Farm

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 12st (12) Middlesbrough Bus Station Coulby Newham

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 364 (13B) Salters Lane Hemlington

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 1313A (13, 13A) Hemlington Salters Lane

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 14 (14) Middlesbrough Bus Station Acklam Baldoon Sands

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 363738 (36, 37, 38) Middlesbrough Hartlepool/North Tees/ Norton Glebe

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 39st (39) Park End Middlesbrough Bus Station

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 794 (64B) Lazenby Middlesbrough Bus Station

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 6 (6) Clavering Owton Manor

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 11 (10) Middlesbrough Bus Station Lingfield Park

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 58 (58, 57) Stockton High Street Stockton High Street

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(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 am)Acky81 wrote These stagecoach Sunderland changes must be coming soon. I hope they totally give the network a full refresh. New routes new route numbers and improved frequencies

Why change the route numbers? It doesn't feel to me that the network needs a refresh, but apparently the 18 is under threat (what a surprise).

(19 Sep 2022, 7:55 am)54APhotography wrote Why change route numbers, the changes are mainly to even out to a 15 minute average, less 4's, 16's and 20's

Just think it makes sense have numbers in sync. Numbers could be next to each other that serve estates
1/2 Farringdon 
3/4 Doxford park
5/6 grangetown 
7/8 Thorney close
9/10 pennywell 
11/12 dene estate- seaburn 

just a thought

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(19 Sep 2022, 8:40 am)F114TML wrote Why change the route numbers? It doesn't feel to me that the network needs a refresh, but apparently the 18 is under threat (what a surprise).

18 should of been binned off with the 19years ago

(19 Sep 2022, 11:58 am)Acky81 wrote Just think it makes sense have numbers in sync. Numbers could be next to each other that serve estates
1/2 Farringdon 
3/4 Doxford park
5/6 grangetown 
7/8 Thorney close
9/10 pennywell 
11/12 dene estate- seaburn 

just a thought

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18 should of been binned off with the 19years ago

We don’t need new route numbers. Some of the current route numbers have been established for years. We have seen the mess that route tinkering has done to GNE. As for the 18 route, surely some of it must be retained.

(19 Sep 2022, 11:58 am)Acky81 wrote Just think it makes sense have numbers in sync. Numbers could be next to each other that serve estates
1/2 Farringdon 
3/4 Doxford park
5/6 grangetown 
7/8 Thorney close
9/10 pennywell 
11/12 dene estate- seaburn

Yeah cos that's not confusing "The 3 now goes to Doxy and the old 3 is now the 1, also there's 2 2s". Now how about the 10 and 11 that go to both Grangetown and Pennywell?

(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael wrote When are these changes happening?

Haven't seen out on VOSA or the Stagecoach site yet.

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However, changes for Teeside/Hartlepool happening on the 30.10.22 - all variation


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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 20980 (20, 980) Hartlepool Tofts Farm

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 12st (12) Middlesbrough Bus Station Coulby Newham

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 364 (13B) Salters Lane Hemlington

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 1313A (13, 13A) Hemlington Salters Lane

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 14 (14) Middlesbrough Bus Station Acklam Baldoon Sands

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 794 (64B) Lazenby Middlesbrough Bus Station

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End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.

I think the 18 will become a secured service tbh, or maybe they'll make changes (split it into two routes?) - all I know is in its current state it's under threat. Thing is, like I said earlier, it connects the hospital with loads of places but the trouble is it's something of a magical mystery tour.

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(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)54APhotography wrote End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.

I've heard they're eyeing up more gas buses (presumably Scania Fencers) to replace them but whether that actually happens or not...

(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)54APhotography wrote End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.

Are Stagecoach only doing public "consultations" when it's good news these days?

(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)54APhotography wrote End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.

Ah right, interesting.

(19 Sep 2022, 12:17 pm)F114TML wrote I think the 18 will become a secured service tbh, or maybe they'll make changes (split it into two routes?) - all I know is in its current state it's under threat. Thing is, like I said earlier, it connects the hospital with loads of places but the trouble is it's something of a magical mystery tour.

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I've heard they're eyeing up more gas buses (presumably Scania Fencers) to replace them but whether that actually happens or not...

Yes, Scania and MAN both explored, Busways plan remains to have Sunderland all CNG

(19 Sep 2022, 12:49 pm)54APhotography wrote Yes, Scania and MAN both explored, Busways plan remains to have Sunderland all CNG

Yeah, good idea IMO. The current gas buses are lovely to drive, too. Having said that, apparently Stagecoach are meant to be all-electric by 2035, not quite sure how that's going to work given the regional nature of a lot of their other divisions.

(19 Sep 2022, 12:14 pm)F114TML wrote Yeah cos that's not confusing "The 3 now goes to Doxy and the old 3 is now the 1, also there's 2 2s". Now how about the 10 and 11 that go to both Grangetown and Pennywell?

do you mean go north east 2 cos that’s means nothing these days
20 to pennywell 
20 to Durham 

like I said just a thought

Bus Times has the details of the Teesside changes on the Licence Page

(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael wrote However, changes for Teeside/Hartlepool happening on the 30.10.22 - all variation


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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 52 (52) Stockton Owington Farm

Saturday Service reverts to normal frequency

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 565 (58A) Port Clarence Hardwick

Re-registered to confirm the post-Covid standing

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Saturday frequency increased to every 15 minutes (from the present half hourly), and additional journeys introduced on a Sunday morning

(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael wrote PB0001987/32
Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 1h (1) Hartlepool High Tunstall Middlesbrough Bus Station

Service via Hart Lane in Thorston Grange to serve Lidi and no longer operating via the Marina. Experimental evening service between Seaton Carew and Hartlepool introduced.

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 20980 (20, 980) Hartlepool Tofts Farm

The journey from the Headland at 0707 re-timed to run 5 minutes earlier

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Saturday frequency increased to every 12 minutes (presently every 20).

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 364 (13B) Salters Lane Hemlington

Re-registered to confirm the post-Covid standing

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Sunday journeys extended from Hemlington to Coulby Newham with a small number of Sunday trips withdrawn due to low usage.

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Saturday Half Hourly frequency reinstated

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Monday to Saturday daytime 36s extended to the Marina, with normal Saturday frequencies re-instated. A small number of additional Sunday morning journeys introduced

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 39st (39) Park End Middlesbrough Bus Station

Monday to Saturday daytime frequency revised to every 15 minutes (presently every 12 Monday to Friday and every 20 on Saturdays). Journeys from Park End revised to operate via Borough Road rather than Corporation Road.

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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 794 (64B) Lazenby Middlesbrough Bus Station

Re-registered to confirm the post-Covid standing

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Revised timetable, no change to frequency.

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Minor timetable changes Monday to Friday, Saturday frequency increased to every 30 minutes from hourly

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Monday to Saturday frequency reduced from every 20 minutes to every 30 minutes.

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Small number of Sunday journeys withdrawn due to low usage

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Monday to Saturday frequency revised to every 12 minutes (from every 10 Monday to Friday off peak, every 30 on Saturdays - not, as stated on that page or by Stagecoach themselves, every 20). 2 journeys an hour will operate as the 57 to serve the new Summerville Quarter. Earlier Sunday morning journeys introduced

(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael wrote PB0001987/207
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Saturday frequency reinstated (every 15 minutes instead of every 30). Earlier Sunday journey added

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Journeys from Teesport revised to operate 5 minutes later to better assisting staff finishing times.

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Extended within Bishop Cuthbert to serve the Tall Ships.

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Revised timetable, no change to frequency.

(19 Sep 2022, 1:06 pm)Acky81 wrote do you mean go north east 2 cos that’s means nothing these days
20 to pennywell 
20 to Durham 

like I said just a thought

And?