Teesside & Hartlepool changes from 23 July submitted today.

PB0001987/37 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 6 (6) Clavering Owton Manor
PB0001987/91 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 364 (13B) Middlesbrough Outwood Academy
PB0001987/21 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 58 (58, 58, 57, 57) Stockton High Street Stockton High Street
PB0001987/297 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 39st (39) Park End Middlesbrough Bus Station
PB0001987/20 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 59 (59) Stockton North Tees Hospital
PB0001987/284 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 3h (3A, 3) Bishop Cuthbert South Fens
PB0001987/207 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 61 (61) Stockton Elton Park
PB0001987/32 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 1h (1) Hartlepool High Tunstall Middlesbrough Bus Station
PB0001987/38 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 7 (7) Middlegate Owton Manor
PB0001987/23 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 12st (12) Middlesbrough Bus Station Coulby Newham
PB0001987/1 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 11 (10) Middlesbrough Bus Station Lingfield Park
PB0001987/2 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 363738 (38, 37, 36) Middlesbrough Hartlepool/North Tees/ Norton Glebe
PB0001987/220 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 34 (34) Middlesbrough Bus Station Billingham Low Grange
PB0001987/239 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 1313A (13) Coulby Newham Salters Lane
PB0001987/22 Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 52 (52) Stockton Owington Farm

Cant see anything obvious, except that the 13A appears to have gone from the 13 registration, so either back to two x 13 per hour or hourly 13.

58A is cancelled in the Teesside area too… not too surprising as they barely carry anyone and never have. I’m amazed they’ve lasted this long!
I’ve not heard too many things about what could be coming but I’d be expecting some frequency cuts to remove buses from the network. I’ll be honest I was expecting the 35 to go though!
If the 13 is cut to hourly then maybe it’ll be extended to Coulby all week as per Sunday’s given it’ll have a spare half hour in the round trip?!


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(10 Jun 2023, 11:09 am)tyresmoke wrote 58A is cancelled in the Teesside area too… not too surprising as they barely carry anyone and never have. I’m amazed they’ve lasted this long!
I’ve not heard too many things about what could be coming but I’d be expecting some frequency cuts to remove buses from the network. I’ll be honest I was expecting the 35 to go though!
If the 13 is cut to hourly then maybe it’ll be extended to Coulby all week as per Sunday’s given it’ll have a spare half hour in the round trip?!


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But Ben Houchen has went public saying only Arriva are the ones making cuts. Are we suggesting a Tory is not being completely honest within his public statements!?

(10 Jun 2023, 3:07 pm)RobinHood wrote But Lord Ben Houchen has went public saying only Arriva are the ones making cuts. Are we suggesting a Tory is not being completely honest within his public statements!?

Fixed it for you. 

We all know how well Stagecoach have done out of Houchen's tenders. It will be interesting to see what happens with this service...

(10 Jun 2023, 3:07 pm)RobinHood wrote But Ben Houchen has went public saying only Arriva are the ones making cuts. Are we suggesting a Tory is not being completely honest within his public statements!?

He not giving away land at Teesport again is he?

(05 Jun 2023, 6:15 pm)Michael wrote Doesn't look like it, the open tops look be allocated to the E services now.

I do wonder what the logic is with the open toppers.  If they are using them on the Es you'd think they'd aim to get them out on sunny weekends but all just sat in the depot yesterday

(11 Jun 2023, 10:55 am)stagecoachbusdepot wrote I do wonder what the logic is with the open toppers.  If they are using them on the Es you'd think they'd aim to get them out on sunny weekends but all just sat in the depot yesterday

Same, its decent today, yet not one of them is out.

Wouldn't be surprised if they go, when the changes happen in a few weeks.


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I take it: 39716/17/23/26/30/31/32 will all be withdrawn on the 2nd July.


I take it, the first of the gas buses will also go, alongside 28016?

Does anyone know which company has bought them?, apparently most of them have been sold already.

(10 Jun 2023, 11:09 am)tyresmoke wrote 58A is cancelled in the Teesside area too… not too surprising as they barely carry anyone and never have. I’m amazed they’ve lasted this long!
I’ve not heard too many things about what could be coming but I’d be expecting some frequency cuts to remove buses from the network. I’ll be honest I was expecting the 35 to go though!
If the 13 is cut to hourly then maybe it’ll be extended to Coulby all week as per Sunday’s given it’ll have a spare half hour in the round trip?!


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You seriusly think they would withdraw the 35? Have you seen the ammount of kids that get on it ti go to school ?

(11 Jun 2023, 12:55 pm)Lollist wrote You seriusly think they would withdraw the 35? Have you seen the ammount of kids that get on it ti go to school ?

That's just one AM and one PM trip though - the rest of the day, it's dead. Understand the rumour is it will go hourly - as will the 13, which will be extended to the Parkway Centre as well. 57/58 are rumoured to be dropping to a combined 15 minute frequency all day rather than just on afternoons as present (likely to result in an all day interworking pattern with the 52 once again), the 59/61 rumoured to be dropping to every 20 minutes (loadings haven't picked up on that),the 10 and 34 interworking will be dropped due to timekeeping issues (mainly with the 34). The biggest shock of the rumours is the 12 - dropping from every 12 minutes to every 20 minutes.

(11 Jun 2023, 1:03 pm)Kuyoyo wrote That's just one AM and one PM trip though - the rest of the day, it's dead. Understand the rumour is it will go hourly - as will the 13, which will be extended to the Parkway Centre as well. 57/58 are rumoured to be dropping to a combined 15 minute frequency all day rather than just on afternoons as present (likely to result in an all day interworking pattern with the 52 once again), the 59/61 rumoured to be dropping to every 20 minutes (loadings haven't picked up on that),the 10 and 34 interworking will be dropped due to timekeeping issues (mainly with the 34). The biggest shock of the rumours is the 12 - dropping from every 12 minutes to every 20 minutes.

Any idea of the plans for the 39?

(11 Jun 2023, 2:37 pm)RobinHood wrote Any idea of the plans for the 39?

No idea, did hear talk of it being tweaked somewhat and interworking with something - after all, the 10/34 interworking hasn’t worked and unless you use one of the saved buses to run the 34 standalone (a PVR of 3 which would probably leave it struggling to cover costs), it’s going to have to interwork with something.

Well Hopefully this will make 36/37/38 more requent they are their flagship kind of routes they could make the 36 every 10 minutes

(11 Jun 2023, 9:35 pm)Lollist wrote Well Hopefully this will make 36/37/38 more requent they are their flagship kind of routes they could make the 36 every 10 minutes

I don't think that is likely to be honest.

In much the same way Arriva are reducing in Tees Valley, rumours are these changes are also reductions, albeit to frequency so probably not as impactful.

Reductions nonetheless.

(09 Jun 2023, 9:02 am)Michael wrote 23rd July 2023:

The Start of Newcastle changes?


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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 3940 (39, 40) Chapel House or Dumpling Hall Wallsend or Walker


PB0002404/27
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 6 (7) Freeman Hospital Metrocentre

6 - Minor timetable changes to Monday to Friday morning and daily evening trips

39/40 - Minor timetable changes throughout to improve reliability

(11 Jun 2023, 1:03 pm)Kuyoyo wrote That's just one AM and one PM trip though - the rest of the day, it's dead. Understand the rumour is it will go hourly - as will the 13, which will be extended to the Parkway Centre as well. 57/58 are rumoured to be dropping to a combined 15 minute frequency all day rather than just on afternoons as present (likely to result in an all day interworking pattern with the 52 once again), the 59/61 rumoured to be dropping to every 20 minutes (loadings haven't picked up on that),the 10 and 34 interworking will be dropped due to timekeeping issues (mainly with the 34). The biggest shock of the rumours is the 12 - dropping from every 12 minutes to every 20 minutes.

All bar the 35 changes are now listed on Bus Times' Cleveland Transit LTD registration page and it seems some of the rumours are off the mark

10: Monday to Sunday service. Peak Monday to Friday journeys advanced/retarded with additional running times to provide greater reliability due to prevailing traffic conditions. No changes to off peak or weekend times.
12: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 15 minutes.
13/13A: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to hourly.
13B: Journey to operate from Middlesbrough Bus Station to Acklam Hall Drive and to operate on Schooldays Only
34: Monday to Sunday service. Greater reliability at peaks. No changes to off peak or weekend times.
36/37/38: Monday to Sunday services. Minor changes to service 37 on Sunday mornings to improve reliability.
39: Monday to Sunday service. To operate via Wilson St towards Mboro Bus Stn. Minor changes to pm Monday to Friday peak times to improve reliability.
52: Monday to Sunday service.Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes. The service will be operationally linked to service 61 on most occasions.
57/58/58A: Minor changes to timetable. Some early morning Monday to Friday journeys previously 58A to be replaced with approximately equivalent service 58 journeys.
59: Monday to Sunday service.Minor changes to timetables and daytime frequency to continue at every 15 minutes daytimes. No longer operationally linked to service 61 in most cases. Minor changes to pm peak schooltime journeys to improve reliability.
61: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes. The service will be operationally linked to service 52 on most occasions.

1: Monday to Sunday service. Minor changes to Monday to Friday timetable. Certain am journeys retimed slightly to cater for changes to start time at High Tunstall College.
3/3A: Monday to Saturday service. One Monday to Friday am journey retimed slightly to cater for changes to start time at High Tunstall College.
6: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 12 minutes. The service will continue to be operationally linked to service 7 on most occasions.
7: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 12 minutes. The service will continue to be operationally linked to service 6 on most occasions.
20/980: Monday to Friday service. 0702 ex Headland journey retimed to operate at 0657 and operate 5 minutes earlier throughout.

(12 Jun 2023, 11:04 am)Kuyoyo wrote All bar the 35 changes are now listed on Bus Times' Cleveland Transit LTD registration page and it seems some of the rumours are off the mark

10: Monday to Sunday service. Peak Monday to Friday journeys advanced/retarded with additional running times to provide greater reliability due to prevailing traffic conditions. No changes to off peak or weekend times.
12: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 15 minutes.
13/13A: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to hourly.
13B: Journey to operate from Middlesbrough Bus Station to Acklam Hall Drive and to operate on Schooldays Only
34: Monday to Sunday service. Greater reliability at peaks. No changes to off peak or weekend times.
36/37/38: Monday to Sunday services. Minor changes to service 37 on Sunday mornings to improve reliability.
39: Monday to Sunday service. To operate via Wilson St towards Mboro Bus Stn. Minor changes to pm Monday to Friday peak times to improve reliability.
52: Monday to Sunday service.Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes. The service will be operationally linked to service 61 on most occasions.
57/58/58A: Minor changes to timetable. Some early morning Monday to Friday journeys previously 58A to be replaced with approximately equivalent service 58 journeys.
59: Monday to Sunday service.Minor changes to timetables and daytime frequency to continue at every 15 minutes daytimes. No longer operationally linked to service 61 in most cases. Minor changes to pm peak schooltime journeys to improve reliability.
61: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes. The service will be operationally linked to service 52 on most occasions.

1: Monday to Sunday service. Minor changes to Monday to Friday timetable. Certain am journeys retimed slightly to cater for changes to start time at High Tunstall College.
3/3A: Monday to Saturday service. One Monday to Friday am journey retimed slightly to cater for changes to start time at High Tunstall College.
6: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 12 minutes. The service will continue to be operationally linked to service 7 on most occasions.
7: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 12 minutes. The service will continue to be operationally linked to service 6 on most occasions.
20/980: Monday to Friday service. 0702 ex Headland journey retimed to operate at 0657 and operate 5 minutes earlier throughout.

Well this is absolutely ridiculous changes for the 6/7 as half the time they can struggle to run them every 10 minutes especially if one of them breaks down and it’s quite common to see them run in twos as it is so all this is going to do is make things worse just so they can save on a few buses.

(19 May 2023, 5:46 pm)Michael wrote PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (13, 3) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/16
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1011su (10, 10, 11) Pennywell Grangetown

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X24 (X24A, X24) Sunderland Newcastle

PB0002404/57
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD E1E2 (E2, E6, E1) Sunderland South Shields

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1234 (4, 3, 1, 2) South Shields Town Centre Biddick Hall Estate

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 18ss (18) South Shields Town Centre Brockley Whins

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4su (4) Downhill Doxford Park

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 20 (20) Fawcett Street Pennywell

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X1 (X1) Sunderland John Street Doxford International

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 78 (8, 7) South Shields Marsden

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 17 (17) South Shields Whiteleas

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 23 (23) Dene Estate Thorney Close

Full changes now online:


https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:33:41:560

Tried to work the PVR's out:


3: 6 PVR
4: 7 PVR
8: 2 PVR
10/11: 8 PVR
13: 7 PVR
16: 7 PVR
18/18A: 2 PVR
20: 4 PVR
23: 5 PVR
99: 1 PVR
X24: 3 PVR
E1/E2/E6: 10 PVR

= 62 PVR

(12 Jun 2023, 4:35 pm)Michael wrote Full changes now online:


https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:33:41:560

South Shields changes now online:

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:14:34:963

(09 Jun 2023, 9:02 am)Michael wrote 23rd July 2023:

The Start of Newcastle changes?


PB0002404/8
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 3940 (39, 40) Chapel House or Dumpling Hall Wallsend or Walker


PB0002404/27
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 6 (7) Freeman Hospital Metrocentre

(13 Jun 2023, 12:37 pm)Michael wrote South Shields changes now online:

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:14:34:963

Whats the deal with the 1 and 2 in South Shields now?, has it been withdrawn?, theyre still of Stagecoach's website, but are yet to return if thats the case, they were "temporarily" withdrawn during Covid

(13 Jun 2023, 5:05 pm)V514DFT wrote Whats the deal with the 1 and 2 in South Shields now?, has it been withdrawn?, theyre still of Stagecoach's website, but are yet to return if thats the case, they were "temporarily" withdrawn during Covid

1 and 2 in Shields have been on as long as i can remember. Spotted the 2 at the weekend when i was driving out of Biddick Hall on Sunday morning. They are incorporated as part of the 3 and 4 and are always included on their timetable. They havent had their own standalone timetable since late 90s early 00s when they ran all day all week.

(13 Jun 2023, 5:50 pm)ifm001 wrote 1 and 2 in Shields have been on as long as i can remember. Spotted the 2 at the weekend when i was driving out of Biddick Hall on Sunday morning. They are incorporated as part of the 3 and 4 and are always included on their timetable. They havent had their own standalone timetable since late 90s early 00s when they ran all day all week.


We're they the old catch a bus routes?

When will these changes go on the website and will it be for the 2nd of july. Are these changes confirmed or could they still change?

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Also were any routes in Teesside (Cleveland Transit) temporarily withdrawn in 2020 that could come back

(13 Jun 2023, 9:05 pm)Lollist wrote When will these changes go on the website and will it be for the 2nd of july. Are these changes confirmed or could they still change?

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Also were any routes in Teesside (Cleveland Transit) temporarily withdrawn in 2020 that could come back

Which changes?

The Sunderland and South Shields changes are online, the posts above provide links to both sets.

Teesside ones

(14 Jun 2023, 5:51 am)Lollist wrote Teesside ones

Live from 23 July, and given they are registered, likely pretty much confirmed.

From Labour for Trindon and Thornley's Facebook page:

Trimdon buse service update:

We have received confirmation that a contract is to be awarded to Stagecoach following open tender to reinstate the hourly service between Hartlepool and Durham via Trimdon. This service will replace the current temporary arrangement between Hartlepool and Kelloe with Gateshead Central and will continue to be numbered 59.

Full timetables for all changes will, in due course, appear on the Council’s transport information pages

(14 Jun 2023, 7:49 pm)Jimmi wrote From Labour for Trindon and Thornley's Facebook page:

Trimdon buse service update:

We have received confirmation that a contract is to be awarded to Stagecoach following open tender to reinstate the hourly service between Hartlepool and Durham via Trimdon. This service will replace the current temporary arrangement between Hartlepool and Kelloe with Gateshead Central and will continue to be numbered 59.

Full timetables for all changes will, in due course, appear on the Council’s transport information pages

Happy to be corrected, but would I be right in saying this is the first time Stagecoach has ventured into the post 1974 Co. Durham? I can't think of anything ever serving it.

(14 Jun 2023, 8:34 pm)Storx wrote Happy to be corrected, but would I be right in saying this is the first time Stagecoach has ventured into the post 1974 Co. Durham? I can't think of anything ever serving it.

No, the X90 between Darlington and Newcastle / MetroCentre certainly Newton Aycliffe, there was the short lived X55 from Stockton/Greatham to Newcastle which stopped at Dalton Park, there's a few scholars contracts nowadays too.

(14 Jun 2023, 8:34 pm)Storx wrote Happy to be corrected, but would I be right in saying this is the first time Stagecoach has ventured into the post 1974 Co. Durham? I can't think of anything ever serving it.

I believe if it’s true about the 59 this would be the first time Stagecoach will have had a service in Durham City.  

There are also rumours of streetlites from Sheffield depot moving to Hartlepool although it’s probably unlikely.