North Shields Regeneration Plan
North Shields Regeneration Plan
(03 Sep 2023, 11:34 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Creating bus hub interchanges etc is a scam...
Nexus knows this and it is why they milked the pot
We have cllrs elected locally by residents
Some cllrs get out onto committees to approve white elephants
Nexus proposes white elephants
It is approved to build
Bus stations make a profit and the money is hidden within Nexus
Sunderland interchange is a classic example
No stagecoach goes into the bus station... why? Because every bus that enters the station is charged 60p-80p for the pleasure
Same as Haymarket and Eldon Sqaure and every other bus station...
And you wonder why Stagecoach oftens opts to using stops outside of bus station due to operational issues" or altering routes to avoid bus stations like 317 for example...
Now... as an example
Haymarket bus station ...
How many buses depart an hour and times that by 70p as a ball point average...
Mitigate that with the cost of Nexus manager to run the site (goes home after 5pm) we often see arriva staff managing the site not Nexus...
Combine the income with the rent of Greggs Arriva pub M&S
And general expenses is a Nexus employee working 9-5 and electric for the lights (bins are local council)
There is a reason bus stations are built....and that is to claim poverty.
(03 Sep 2023, 11:34 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Creating bus hub interchanges etc is a scam...
Nexus knows this and it is why they milked the pot
We have cllrs elected locally by residents
Some cllrs get out onto committees to approve white elephants
Nexus proposes white elephants
It is approved to build
Bus stations make a profit and the money is hidden within Nexus
Sunderland interchange is a classic example
No stagecoach goes into the bus station... why? Because every bus that enters the station is charged 60p-80p for the pleasure
Same as Haymarket and Eldon Sqaure and every other bus station...
And you wonder why Stagecoach oftens opts to using stops outside of bus station due to operational issues" or altering routes to avoid bus stations like 317 for example...
Now... as an example
Haymarket bus station ...
How many buses depart an hour and times that by 70p as a ball point average...
Mitigate that with the cost of Nexus manager to run the site (goes home after 5pm) we often see arriva staff managing the site not Nexus...
Combine the income with the rent of Greggs Arriva pub M&S
And general expenses is a Nexus employee working 9-5 and electric for the lights (bins are local council)
There is a reason bus stations are built....and that is to claim poverty.
(03 Sep 2023, 10:10 pm)Storx Bridges shuts earlier, it's quite a detour through some pretty unpleasant areas in an evening when arguably you want to be there.
Leeds is a really bad example btw, quite a lot of buses don't serve the thing at all and do the Leeds loop instead. Leeds is actually one of the better examples of buses serving more areas. The only buses which serve the bus station mainly come from the West, so already serve the city on the way. Not to mention there's quite a lot of cross city links.
https://bustimes.org/services/163-castleford-leeds#map - See the 163 for an example.
https://bustimes.org/services/x98-sky-cl...eeds-2#map - or X98 from Wetherby.
Like, if stuff like the E1/E2/E6/56 served the bus station there that's fair play as they already serve the city but stuff like the 60 etc would be better doing a loop still imo. Maybe serving a stop nearby so people can still change there if needed, it's the best of both worlds like Leeds.
(03 Sep 2023, 11:34 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Creating bus hub interchanges etc is a scam...
Nexus knows this and it is why they milked the pot
We have cllrs elected locally by residents
Some cllrs get out onto committees to approve white elephants
Nexus proposes white elephants
It is approved to build
Bus stations make a profit and the money is hidden within Nexus
Sunderland interchange is a classic example
No stagecoach goes into the bus station... why? Because every bus that enters the station is charged 60p-80p for the pleasure
Same as Haymarket and Eldon Sqaure and every other bus station...
And you wonder why Stagecoach oftens opts to using stops outside of bus station due to operational issues" or altering routes to avoid bus stations like 317 for example...
Now... as an example
Haymarket bus station ...
How many buses depart an hour and times that by 70p as a ball point average...
Mitigate that with the cost of Nexus manager to run the site (goes home after 5pm) we often see arriva staff managing the site not Nexus...
Combine the income with the rent of Greggs Arriva pub M&S
And general expenses is a Nexus employee working 9-5 and electric for the lights (bins are local council)
There is a reason bus stations are built....and that is to claim poverty.
(03 Sep 2023, 10:10 pm)Storx Bridges shuts earlier, it's quite a detour through some pretty unpleasant areas in an evening when arguably you want to be there.
Leeds is a really bad example btw, quite a lot of buses don't serve the thing at all and do the Leeds loop instead. Leeds is actually one of the better examples of buses serving more areas. The only buses which serve the bus station mainly come from the West, so already serve the city on the way. Not to mention there's quite a lot of cross city links.
https://bustimes.org/services/163-castleford-leeds#map - See the 163 for an example.
https://bustimes.org/services/x98-sky-cl...eeds-2#map - or X98 from Wetherby.
Like, if stuff like the E1/E2/E6/56 served the bus station there that's fair play as they already serve the city but stuff like the 60 etc would be better doing a loop still imo. Maybe serving a stop nearby so people can still change there if needed, it's the best of both worlds like Leeds.
(03 Sep 2023, 11:34 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Creating bus hub interchanges etc is a scam...
Nexus knows this and it is why they milked the pot
We have cllrs elected locally by residents
Some cllrs get out onto committees to approve white elephants
Nexus proposes white elephants
It is approved to build
Bus stations make a profit and the money is hidden within Nexus
Sunderland interchange is a classic example
No stagecoach goes into the bus station... why? Because every bus that enters the station is charged 60p-80p for the pleasure
Same as Haymarket and Eldon Sqaure and every other bus station...
And you wonder why Stagecoach oftens opts to using stops outside of bus station due to operational issues" or altering routes to avoid bus stations like 317 for example...
Now... as an example
Haymarket bus station ...
How many buses depart an hour and times that by 70p as a ball point average...
Mitigate that with the cost of Nexus manager to run the site (goes home after 5pm) we often see arriva staff managing the site not Nexus...
Combine the income with the rent of Greggs Arriva pub M&S
And general expenses is a Nexus employee working 9-5 and electric for the lights (bins are local council)
There is a reason bus stations are built....and that is to claim poverty.
Say what you want about bus stations, but living in South Shields, I'd much rather wait my time for my bus home in South Shields Interchange than when I used to have to wait in Keppel Street. It's a much more inviting place that feels safer, especially with a security guard on hand. I'm sure the people of North Shields will appreciate the same thing.
(04 Sep 2023, 11:23 am)Adrian This is almost conspiracy theory level stuff.
You make it sound like it's going into someone's back pocket.
(04 Sep 2023, 12:14 pm)deanmachine Say what you want about bus stations, but living in South Shields, I'd much rather wait my time for my bus home in South Shields Interchange than when I used to have to wait in Keppel Street. It's a much more inviting place that feels safer, especially with a security guard on hand. I'm sure the people of North Shields will appreciate the same thing.
(04 Sep 2023, 11:23 am)Adrian This is almost conspiracy theory level stuff.
You make it sound like it's going into someone's back pocket.
(04 Sep 2023, 12:14 pm)deanmachine Say what you want about bus stations, but living in South Shields, I'd much rather wait my time for my bus home in South Shields Interchange than when I used to have to wait in Keppel Street. It's a much more inviting place that feels safer, especially with a security guard on hand. I'm sure the people of North Shields will appreciate the same thing.
(04 Sep 2023, 12:40 pm)ne14ne1 I was only waiting for “brown envelop” and “corruption” and I would’ve had a full house on this conspiracist bingo card.
I know I was to surprised to find such negative comments about the new bus station when I came to this thread.
In comparison to the on street shelters the town had before, this is much better, and within reaching distance of the Metro which is exactly what we should be striving towards: a once-again integrated public transportation network.
(04 Sep 2023, 12:40 pm)ne14ne1 I was only waiting for “brown envelop” and “corruption” and I would’ve had a full house on this conspiracist bingo card.
I know I was to surprised to find such negative comments about the new bus station when I came to this thread.
In comparison to the on street shelters the town had before, this is much better, and within reaching distance of the Metro which is exactly what we should be striving towards: a once-again integrated public transportation network.
(04 Sep 2023, 11:23 am)Adrian Which unpleasant areas? Even when the Bridges is shut, it's more or less a straight line through Green Terrace/Low Row, if you leave via the other end of the Interchange.
I used to drink in Sunderland most weekends for years, and like most folk there, we'd walk back and forth between bars most of the night around the City Centre. I understand some can't, due to mobility issues, but it's as if we're making out that the vast majority of the population are incapable of walking 500/600 yards.
56 does serve the bus station, but I agree the E1/E2/E6 should revert to doing so, being City terminating services.
I don't think Leeds is much different to Newcastle or Sunderland, in terms of what serves the bus station and what doesn't. You can see from their own guide that the bus station is extremely well served: https://www.wymetro.com/media/9699/leeds_wtcyb.pdf
(04 Sep 2023, 11:23 am)Adrian Which unpleasant areas? Even when the Bridges is shut, it's more or less a straight line through Green Terrace/Low Row, if you leave via the other end of the Interchange.
I used to drink in Sunderland most weekends for years, and like most folk there, we'd walk back and forth between bars most of the night around the City Centre. I understand some can't, due to mobility issues, but it's as if we're making out that the vast majority of the population are incapable of walking 500/600 yards.
56 does serve the bus station, but I agree the E1/E2/E6 should revert to doing so, being City terminating services.
I don't think Leeds is much different to Newcastle or Sunderland, in terms of what serves the bus station and what doesn't. You can see from their own guide that the bus station is extremely well served: https://www.wymetro.com/media/9699/leeds_wtcyb.pdf
(04 Sep 2023, 1:23 pm)Storx Lot's of drunks etc, people going to see a show with kids etc. Not exactly the areas you want to go through.
If I'm right, Leeds pretty much works like this in terms of corridors. I actually really like it works well as the vast majority of areas have a direct link to the train station to interchange.
I don't know how feasable it would be but I'd always love to swap Haymarket and the Gateshead services around so all the Gateshead services serve Haymarket and Eldon Square and the Great North services heading down John Dobson Street and head down to Central like so:
Would give much much better connections for everyone as people from Gosforth, Cramlington, Morpeth would have a direct link to Newcastle Central and also stop the likes of the 56 clogging up around Market Street and remove buses from Market Street itself which is a horrid place currently, for the Stagecoach services moved from Blackett Street.
If I'm right it means that everyone would have a connection to every bus somewhere in Newcastle aswell.
(04 Sep 2023, 1:23 pm)Storx Lot's of drunks etc, people going to see a show with kids etc. Not exactly the areas you want to go through.
If I'm right, Leeds pretty much works like this in terms of corridors. I actually really like it works well as the vast majority of areas have a direct link to the train station to interchange.
I don't know how feasable it would be but I'd always love to swap Haymarket and the Gateshead services around so all the Gateshead services serve Haymarket and Eldon Square and the Great North services heading down John Dobson Street and head down to Central like so:
Would give much much better connections for everyone as people from Gosforth, Cramlington, Morpeth would have a direct link to Newcastle Central and also stop the likes of the 56 clogging up around Market Street and remove buses from Market Street itself which is a horrid place currently, for the Stagecoach services moved from Blackett Street.
If I'm right it means that everyone would have a connection to every bus somewhere in Newcastle aswell.
(04 Sep 2023, 2:28 pm)ASX_Terranova Why, you have when have the metro and national rail already serving this link and a future line to Ashington in 2024.
I do agree on this point. You also have the old Q3 stop on newgate street, the two on the opposite side of the road and the ex-100 stop on Blackett Street which currently arent used all withih easy reach of eldon square.
(04 Sep 2023, 2:28 pm)ASX_Terranova Why, you have when have the metro and national rail already serving this link and a future line to Ashington in 2024.
I do agree on this point. You also have the old Q3 stop on newgate street, the two on the opposite side of the road and the ex-100 stop on Blackett Street which currently arent used all withih easy reach of eldon square.
Was listening to some people at Gateshead talking about the new bus station, let's just say they didn't really have anything nice to say about it!
Their biggest annoyance was that they can get a bus there but not one back home!
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(04 Sep 2023, 1:23 pm)Storx Lot's of drunks etc, people going to see a show with kids etc. Not exactly the areas you want to go through.
If I'm right, Leeds pretty much works like this in terms of corridors. I actually really like it works well as the vast majority of areas have a direct link to the train station to interchange.
I don't know how feasable it would be but I'd always love to swap Haymarket and the Gateshead services around so all the Gateshead services serve Haymarket and Eldon Square and the Great North services heading down John Dobson Street and head down to Central like so:
Would give much much better connections for everyone as people from Gosforth, Cramlington, Morpeth would have a direct link to Newcastle Central and also stop the likes of the 56 clogging up around Market Street and remove buses from Market Street itself which is a horrid place currently, for the Stagecoach services moved from Blackett Street.
If I'm right it means that everyone would have a connection to every bus somewhere in Newcastle aswell.
(04 Sep 2023, 1:23 pm)Storx Lot's of drunks etc, people going to see a show with kids etc. Not exactly the areas you want to go through.
If I'm right, Leeds pretty much works like this in terms of corridors. I actually really like it works well as the vast majority of areas have a direct link to the train station to interchange.
I don't know how feasable it would be but I'd always love to swap Haymarket and the Gateshead services around so all the Gateshead services serve Haymarket and Eldon Square and the Great North services heading down John Dobson Street and head down to Central like so:
Would give much much better connections for everyone as people from Gosforth, Cramlington, Morpeth would have a direct link to Newcastle Central and also stop the likes of the 56 clogging up around Market Street and remove buses from Market Street itself which is a horrid place currently, for the Stagecoach services moved from Blackett Street.
If I'm right it means that everyone would have a connection to every bus somewhere in Newcastle aswell.
(04 Sep 2023, 5:26 pm)streetdeckfan Was listening to some people at Gateshead talking about the new bus station, let's just say they didn't really have anything nice to say about it!
Their biggest annoyance was that they can get a bus there but not one back home!
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(04 Sep 2023, 5:26 pm)streetdeckfan Was listening to some people at Gateshead talking about the new bus station, let's just say they didn't really have anything nice to say about it!
Their biggest annoyance was that they can get a bus there but not one back home!
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(04 Sep 2023, 5:37 pm)Adrian I agree, it's a bit poor that the 1 back towards Gateshead doesn't serve the new interchange, but I'm surprised you've found some people at Gateshead who do that journey in full?They were sat at the stand for the 1, so I'm assuming they do?
It's over half an hour faster doing it by Metro.
(04 Sep 2023, 5:37 pm)Adrian I agree, it's a bit poor that the 1 back towards Gateshead doesn't serve the new interchange, but I'm surprised you've found some people at Gateshead who do that journey in full?They were sat at the stand for the 1, so I'm assuming they do?
It's over half an hour faster doing it by Metro.
(04 Sep 2023, 5:36 pm)RMF1254 Gosforth, Cramlington and Morpeth already have a direct rail connection to Central just like the Ashington line will have whenever it opens.
(04 Sep 2023, 5:36 pm)RMF1254 Gosforth, Cramlington and Morpeth already have a direct rail connection to Central just like the Ashington line will have whenever it opens.
(04 Sep 2023, 5:58 pm)Storx Gosforth definitely doesn't mind. Cramlington's service is appalling but it's more about the in-between aswell the likes of Seaton Burn etc.
Obviously could make the case for only some buses to run through and terminate the X7-X11/X21/X22 short as they don't need to go through
(04 Sep 2023, 5:58 pm)Storx Gosforth definitely doesn't mind. Cramlington's service is appalling but it's more about the in-between aswell the likes of Seaton Burn etc.
Obviously could make the case for only some buses to run through and terminate the X7-X11/X21/X22 short as they don't need to go through
(04 Sep 2023, 5:26 pm)streetdeckfan Was listening to some people at Gateshead talking about the new bus station, let's just say they didn't really have anything nice to say about it!
Their biggest annoyance was that they can get a bus there but not one back home!
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(04 Sep 2023, 5:26 pm)streetdeckfan Was listening to some people at Gateshead talking about the new bus station, let's just say they didn't really have anything nice to say about it!
Their biggest annoyance was that they can get a bus there but not one back home!
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(04 Sep 2023, 6:15 pm)RMF1254 I don’t think Cramlington’s hourly all day service to Morpeth and Newcastle is appalling, plus North Road passengers can change to Metro at Regent Centre (an Interchange that is so hated on this site) for Central and places south of the river.
(04 Sep 2023, 6:15 pm)RMF1254 I don’t think Cramlington’s hourly all day service to Morpeth and Newcastle is appalling, plus North Road passengers can change to Metro at Regent Centre (an Interchange that is so hated on this site) for Central and places south of the river.
(04 Sep 2023, 6:15 pm)RMF1254 I don’t think Cramlington’s hourly all day service to Morpeth and Newcastle is appalling, plus North Road passengers can change to Metro at Regent Centre (an Interchange that is so hated on this site) for Central and places south of the river.
(04 Sep 2023, 6:15 pm)RMF1254 I don’t think Cramlington’s hourly all day service to Morpeth and Newcastle is appalling, plus North Road passengers can change to Metro at Regent Centre (an Interchange that is so hated on this site) for Central and places south of the river.
