(04 Sep 2023, 4:24 pm)Dan wrote Has anyone actually travelled on these in service today?
The 355 is incredibly slack with drivers not needing to exceed 20mph and still needing to wait their time at intermediate stops.
Lots of customers taking additional time to board and alight as they ask questions of the driver about the new services. To be expected.
Tomorrow won’t be a real test at all - you will see the absolute worst case scenario which will only improve.
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(05 Sep 2023, 10:25 pm)Storx wrote As I was saying yesterday:
352: https://bustimes.org/services/352-newcas.../473474929 - 17 minutes lost.
354: https://bustimes.org/services/354-newcas.../473461943 - 9 minutes lost.
355: https://bustimes.org/services/355-newcas.../473480752 - 10 minutes lost.
355: https://bustimes.org/services/355-newcas.../473482630 - 20 minutes late.
Didn't realise they were doing the Quorum loop aswell, another mistake as that's 5 minutes at rush hour.
(06 Sep 2023, 12:40 am)nova347 wrote The same thing happened with the 1 when it got extended to the Metrocentre, the first few days there was chaos but then it smoothed out.
(05 Sep 2023, 9:19 pm)Andreos1 wrote https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/stat...IzwGJ-6-WQ&s=19Aren't the running times the same as Arriva's were?
RF has been sharing his thoughts on timetables. Let's hope he isn't disappointed with the Rockets.
First the patchy paintwork and now rumours of inadequate running times.
(06 Sep 2023, 5:33 am)Dan wrote I wonder how reliable the 37/38 were yesterday?
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(06 Sep 2023, 6:22 am)busmanT wrote Aren't the running times the same as Arriva's were?
I travelled on the 355 twice yesterday and it's very slack - the 354 I travelled on was delayed by a few minutes, but that was due to passengers asking the driver questions about tickets, fares, times as they boarded.
(05 Sep 2023, 10:25 pm)Storx wrote As I was saying yesterday:
352: https://bustimes.org/services/352-newcas.../473474929 - 17 minutes lost.
354: https://bustimes.org/services/354-newcas.../473461943 - 9 minutes lost.
355: https://bustimes.org/services/355-newcas.../473480752 - 10 minutes lost.
355: https://bustimes.org/services/355-newcas.../473482630 - 20 minutes late.
Didn't realise they were doing the Quorum loop aswell, another mistake as that's 5 minutes at rush hour.
(05 Sep 2023, 10:25 pm)Storx wrote As I was saying yesterday:
352: https://bustimes.org/services/352-newcas.../473474929 - 17 minutes lost.
354: https://bustimes.org/services/354-newcas.../473461943 - 9 minutes lost.
355: https://bustimes.org/services/355-newcas.../473480752 - 10 minutes lost.
355: https://bustimes.org/services/355-newcas.../473482630 - 20 minutes late.
Didn't realise they were doing the Quorum loop aswell, another mistake as that's 5 minutes at rush hour.
(06 Sep 2023, 6:22 am)busmanT wrote Aren't the running times the same as Arriva's were?
I travelled on the 355 twice yesterday and it's very slack - the 354 I travelled on was delayed by a few minutes, but that was due to passengers asking the driver questions about tickets, fares, times as they boarded.
(06 Sep 2023, 6:22 am)busmanT wrote Aren't the running times the same as Arriva's were?
I travelled on the 355 twice yesterday and it's very slack - the 354 I travelled on was delayed by a few minutes, but that was due to passengers asking the driver questions about tickets, fares, times as they boarded.
(06 Sep 2023, 6:48 am)Shrek wrote That's what's wrong with public transport up here. When there's criticism where something goes wrong, certain companies simply point out another company is worse. Any issues should be a concern to be looked at. I'd not last five minutes in my job if I simply pointed out there's worse out there.
(06 Sep 2023, 8:00 am)EastCoastMXZ1751 wrote All These are peak journeys so surely its to be expected that peak time journeys will be late
(06 Sep 2023, 1:45 pm)Michael wrote Go North East, the region’s largest bus company, has partnered up with Quorum Park this week to join the ‘Q Express’ scheme, which enables members of the park community to travel between Four Lane Ends and Quorum Park for free.
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/quorum-par...250JaDz5Xg
(06 Sep 2023, 1:45 pm)Michael wrote Go North East, the region’s largest bus company, has partnered up with Quorum Park this week to join the ‘Q Express’ scheme, which enables members of the park community to travel between Four Lane Ends and Quorum Park for free.
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/quorum-par...250JaDz5Xg
(06 Sep 2023, 9:05 am)Storx wrote The Arriva services had the same problems at peak times, they just weren't as noticeable as they were regulated at Haymarket with other services, similar to what happens at Blyth.It's easy to chuck buses at a problem though. All operators need to use what they have more effectively. I can think of an example where an operator actually CUT the frequency from 7/8 to 10/11 mins. Took out a bus and improved reliability by by utilising a couple school buses (which are already paid for), coupled with targeted a timetable change.
Totally agreed, sure people who need to use the 354 for whatever reason are fine because the 37 is worse. No they'd be using the car instead.
The complete ironic thing is the 37 was perfectly on time since it has 12 minutes to get from the Freeman to Four Lane Ends (realistic) rather than the unrealistic 6 minutes on the 352 - https://bustimes.org/services/37-denton-.../473454380
Well done Stagecoach for having appropiate timetables...
Not really, timetables should take account of peak times. Someone working all day won't be thinking, oh it's alright they're peak services why my bus is 10 minutes is late every day. In fact every other service is completely irrelevant to them. If the bus is running 10 minutes late at peak time, that should be the timetable. Buses need more buses in their fleet at peak times but since that costs £££ they're not interested. It's not the only service that's the same either.
(06 Sep 2023, 3:11 pm)DeltaMan wrote It's easy to chuck buses at a problem though. All operators need to use what they have more effectively. I can think of an example where an operator actually CUT the frequency from 7/8 to 10/11 mins. Took out a bus and improved reliability by by utilising a couple school buses (which are already paid for), coupled with targeted a timetable change.
If all operators have is a hammer, every problem is a nail.
(06 Sep 2023, 9:05 am)Storx wrote The complete ironic thing is the 37 was perfectly on time since it has 12 minutes to get from the Freeman to Four Lane Ends (realistic) rather than the unrealistic 6 minutes on the 352 - https://bustimes.org/services/37-denton-.../473454380
Well done Stagecoach for having appropiate timetables...
(06 Sep 2023, 4:49 pm)Dan wrote Am I mistaken or have you just shared a link to a journey which was delayed by more than five minutes on arrival at its terminus, yet you’re commending them for having an appropriate timetable?
I’m sure if you look hard enough, you will find more examples like that. Possibly even worse ones.
I’m willing to bet that Stagecoach’s performance will be similarly hindered by the aforementioned factors, and so I’m not criticising. Merely pointing out the rose tinted spectacles some on this forum wear.
Of course, if congestion continues to result in issues then I am sure both GNE and Stagecoach will aim to resolve this at the earliest opportunity. They have an obligation to do so as part of their operators licence.
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(06 Sep 2023, 1:45 pm)Michael wrote Go North East, the region’s largest bus company, has partnered up with Quorum Park this week to join the ‘Q Express’ scheme, which enables members of the park community to travel between Four Lane Ends and Quorum Park for free.
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/quorum-par...250JaDz5Xg
(06 Sep 2023, 7:38 pm)Ambassador wrote Interesting PR spin by Quorum and GNE
Quorum pulled the plug on the 555 as the park is operating at limited capacity thanks to hybrid working as opposed to arriva deciding to pull the route ( which they would have done eventually due to Walkergate closing) and leaving quorum stranded.
(06 Sep 2023, 7:38 pm)Ambassador wrote Interesting PR spin by Quorum and GNE
Quorum pulled the plug on the 555 as the park is operating at limited capacity thanks to hybrid working as opposed to arriva deciding to pull the route ( which they would have done eventually due to Walkergate closing) and leaving quorum stranded.
(06 Sep 2023, 7:57 pm)Dan wrote The Q Express scheme (covering both GNE and Stagecoach) offers a far better service than the 555 ever did.
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(06 Sep 2023, 7:57 pm)Dan wrote The Q Express scheme (covering both GNE and Stagecoach) offers a far better service than the 555 ever did.
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(06 Sep 2023, 10:31 pm)Ambassador wrote No it doesn’t. On paper yes…It offers more choices, outside of peaks but most folk travel at peak into Quorum
If you’re working at Verisure, up in Q12 you used to be able to get a dedicated bus to the door at times that suited your working pattern. Now unless you catch the 18 you’ve got a 10 minute walk from the main entrance. The 555 was hugely popular but didn’t survive post covid world.
The 18 covers the area but the timings don’t work for office based shifts at all.