(24 Feb 2024, 8:19 am)Aaron21 wrote Confirmation from a Stagecoach driver last night.

Stagecoach have lost the 317 and their last running day will be Saturday 23rd of March. He also confirmed stagecoach won nothing in the tenders

Guess that means the walkergate fleet of E200s won’t be needed any longer

(24 Feb 2024, 8:31 am)Dan wrote It isn’t true that Stagecoach won nothing.


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Maybe true that they won nothing new compared to what they have now? I couldn't see them losing the likes of the 18, 32/32A and 35.

(24 Feb 2024, 10:39 am)Thomas12 wrote Maybe true that they won nothing new compared to what they have now? I couldn't see them losing the likes of the 18, 32/32A and 35.

That may be closer to the truth.


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Think the rumours must have got to passengers about the 317 quick, on the bus this morning and they seem to think it’s been withdrawn completely (which I’m assuming definitely won’t be the case)

(24 Feb 2024, 10:54 am)Dan wrote That may be closer to the truth.


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I would think so too but stranger things have happened. GNE ran 33 for a good few years that was once a Stagecoach stalwart. 35 has had money pumped into and contract extended it doesn’t necessarily mean Stagecoach is the way forward. Nexus will go with what’s cheapest

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(24 Feb 2024, 10:54 am)Dan wrote That may be closer to the truth.


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I would think so too but stranger things have happened. GNE ran 33 for a good few years that was once a Stagecoach stalwart. 35 has had money pumped into and contract extended it doesn’t necessarily mean Stagecoach is the way forward. Nexus will go with what’s cheapest

Stagecoach lost the 317, i call BS, just like when they said they had won the 51-55 when Arriva withdrew, be funny if GNE get it back though after withdrawing the 11/41 from the Howdon area

(24 Feb 2024, 1:49 pm)V514DFT wrote Stagecoach lost the 317, i call BS, just like when they said they had won the 51-55 when Arriva withdrew, be funny if GNE get it back though after withdrawing the 11/41 from the Howdon area

It's true sadly. Confirmed by a driver that I know who drives it on the evening

(24 Feb 2024, 1:49 pm)V514DFT wrote Stagecoach lost the 317, i call BS, just like when they said they had won the 51-55 when Arriva withdrew, be funny if GNE get it back though after withdrawing the 11/41 from the Howdon area

52-55 aren’t contracts (only the 51 is) so when did they say they won them?

(24 Feb 2024, 2:07 pm)Thomas12 wrote 52-55 aren’t contracts (only the 51 is) so when did they say they won them?

Ahhhh was last year when they were axed, one of the drivers was under the impression they had won what is now the 351-355

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(24 Feb 2024, 1:58 pm)Aaron21 wrote It's true sadly. Confirmed by a driver that I know who drives it on the evening

Doesnt mean jack, i know 2 drivers and i've asked them both, and they've said nothing has been mentioned

(24 Feb 2024, 5:11 pm)V514DFT wrote Ahhhh was last year when they were axed, one of the drivers was under the impression they had won what is now the 351-355

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Doesnt mean jack, i know 2 drivers and i've asked them both, and they've said nothing has been mentioned

From what I’ve gathered today I do believe the 317 has been won by Go North East

787 by Stagecoach timetable is out. 3 trips to Newcastle and 4 to Airport

2.30/3.20/4.10/4.40am to Airport
3.25/3.55/4.45am to Newcastle

(17 Feb 2024, 8:17 pm)RobinHood wrote Stagecoach won a contract to service Riverside Park in Middlesbrough, that has been due to start for a while. Are you sure this isn't linked to that?

https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov....rchResults&p=1

They also won a contract to service Wynyard and link it to Hartlepool and Billingham etc, again, could be linked to that?

https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov....rchResults&p=1

Both of these have appeared on the Cleveland Transit registration page on Bus Times this morning:

PB0001987/326 – bustimes.org

Monday to Saturday new daytime service
From: Middlesbrough Bus Station
To: Middlesbrough Bus Station
Via: Middlesbrough College
Name or No.: RP1
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 April 2024
Other details: Monday to Saturday new daytime service

PB0001987/327 – bustimes.org

Monday to Saturday daytimes. New Service
From: Stockton High Street
To: Wynyard
Via:
Name or No.: X40 / X41
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 April 2024
Other details: Monday to Saturday daytimes. New Service

In addition, the 1/2 change has also appeared:

Minor changes to route and timetable . Extended to East Loftus and Skelton High Street following customer requests
Operating between Saltburn and Easington given service number 1 / 2 effective from 02 April 2024. To amend Route and Timetable.

As well as a change to the 59

Additional journeys during Monday to Friday school times
Operating between Middlesbrough Bus Station and North Tees Hospital given service number 59 effective from 02 April 2024. To amend Timetable.

I'm unsure on the route of the X40/X41 but from an outsider, surely it would've made more sense to extend the 35 which is clearly struggling as it is. The thing is basically on the doorstep.

More duplication for absolutely no benefit, especially when it's the same operator getting the money anyway.

(26 Feb 2024, 12:36 pm)Storx wrote I'm unsure on the route of the X40/X41 but from an outsider, surely it would've made more sense to extend the 35 which is clearly struggling as it is. The thing is basically on the doorstep.

More duplication for absolutely no benefit, especially when it's the same operator getting the money anyway.

From what I understand from a official Stagecoach notice floating about, one will operate via Billingham and the other is direct via the A19.

(26 Feb 2024, 12:40 pm)Kuyoyo wrote From what I understand from a official Stagecoach notice floating about, one will operate via Billingham and the other is direct via the A19.

Not sure if you know, is it just serving the business park part of it, or is it serving the estates aswell? Not that I'd expect many people there to ever touch a bus.

(26 Feb 2024, 12:46 pm)Storx wrote Not sure if you know, is it just serving the business park part of it, or is it serving the estates aswell? Not that I'd expect many people there to ever touch a bus.

The tender spec required an hourly service to Wolviston village and all Wynyard estates with a service to Billingham and then one of Stockton or Middlesbrough.

I understand this will run to Stockton for the daytime portion. I’m going to assume the other service is going to be a direct bus to Middlesbrough at shift times - mostly Amazon, but GXO & other businesses were also named.

Journeys to Hartlepool were also required outside of times the 36 operated so this is why the 36a will presumably cover this part of it. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see some 36’s diverted in outside of these times too, to give capacity for Amazon staff at least.

As for the 59 the reg says extra journeys at school times, believe it will be a duplicate/extra for Macmillan Academy and funded from another service being cut to provide the bus. That may have changed and maybe it’ll come from the RP1 instead?


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(26 Feb 2024, 9:44 pm)tyresmoke wrote The tender spec required an hourly service to Wolviston village and all Wynyard estates with a service to Billingham and then one of Stockton or Middlesbrough.

I understand this will run to Stockton for the daytime portion. I’m going to assume the other service is going to be a direct bus to Middlesbrough at shift times - mostly Amazon, but GXO & other businesses were also named.

Journeys to Hartlepool were also required outside of times the 36 operated so this is why the 36a will presumably cover this part of it. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see some 36’s diverted in outside of these times too, to give capacity for Amazon staff at least.

As for the 59 the reg says extra journeys at school times, believe it will be a duplicate/extra for Macmillan Academy and funded from another service being cut to provide the bus. That may have changed and maybe it’ll come from the RP1 instead?


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Thanks for that, be interesting to see how it does as I don't really see Wynyard as the sort of place where people will touch a bus, especially one which goes to Stockton and Billingham which no offence to both places, I can't imagine people from Wynyard will exactly be rushing to go to.

(27 Feb 2024, 11:23 am)Storx wrote Thanks for that, be interesting to see how it does as I don't really see Wynyard as the sort of place where people will touch a bus, especially one which goes to Stockton and Billingham which no offence to both places, I can't imagine people from Wynyard will exactly be rushing to go to.

Another example of TVCA wasting BSIP+ funding. Zero consultation but instead decided by whichever Cllr shouts the loudest.

(27 Feb 2024, 5:58 pm)RobinHood wrote Another example of TVCA wasting BSIP+ funding. Zero consultation but instead decided by whichever Cllr shouts the loudest.

Meanwhile Hartlepool once again gets nothing despite the need for a service to North Tees and a service between Headland and West View.

https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0002404

(27 Feb 2024, 5:58 pm)RobinHood wrote Another example of TVCA wasting BSIP+ funding. Zero consultation but instead decided by whichever Cllr shouts the loudest.

Pretty much like, I'm not sure where people from Wynyard might want to go but it definitely isn't there.

(27 Feb 2024, 9:27 pm)col87 wrote Meanwhile Hartlepool once again gets nothing despite the need for a service to North Tees and a service between Headland and West View.

No-one cares about Hartlepool . Never realised it was unserved along there mind, pretty poor. Then again the whole West side of Hartlepool has a pretty dire service really, especially around Park Road and West Park area with either an hourly service or nothing at all.

Good thing there's buses to his fantasy airport though.

(29 Feb 2024, 5:43 pm)Storx wrote Pretty much like, I'm not sure where people from Wynyard might want to go but it definitely isn't there.


No-one cares about Hartlepool . Never realised it was unserved along there mind, pretty poor. Then again the whole West side of Hartlepool has a pretty dire service really, especially around Park Road and West Park area with either an hourly service or nothing at all.

Good thing there's buses to his fantasy airport though.

Nobody in Wynyard has ever used a bus and never will. It’s a good idea for the staff from Amazon etc but the residents don’t even know what a bus is, never mind use one…


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(29 Feb 2024, 7:58 pm)tyresmoke wrote Nobody in Wynyard has ever used a bus and never will. It’s a good idea for the staff from Amazon etc but the residents don’t even know what a bus is, never mind use one…


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No arguments there to be honest, totally agreed tbh. It's a shame there's not a destination further West they could go to make the service actually useful and have a destination at the Western end of the route than it effectively being a dead end but obviously that means they have to work with Transport North East and that isn't happening.

(29 Feb 2024, 5:43 pm)Storx wrote Pretty much like, I'm not sure where people from Wynyard might want to go but it definitely isn't there.


No-one cares about Hartlepool . Never realised it was unserved along there mind, pretty poor. Then again the whole West side of Hartlepool has a pretty dire service really, especially around Park Road and West Park area with either an hourly service or nothing at all.

Good thing there's buses to his fantasy airport though.

I know you were joking but the sad fact is you are correct the combined authority are happy to waste money on pointless services to the airport and seeing how far they can annoy Arriva and putting in services where millionaires live which will never be used but won’t provide money for routes in Hartlepool which could be useful.  Stagecoach don’t care some of the buses wouldn’t look out of place in a scrapyard but instead of investing they just dump more scrap here so we get a second rate bus service if the bus actually turns up and are expected to be grateful for it.

(29 Feb 2024, 8:47 pm)col87 wrote I know you were joking but the sad fact is you are correct the combined authority are happy to waste money on pointless services to the airport and seeing how far they can annoy Arriva and putting in services where millionaires live which will never be used but won’t provide money for routes in Hartlepool which could be useful.  Stagecoach don’t care some of the buses wouldn’t look out of place in a scrapyard but instead of investing they just dump more scrap here so we get a second rate bus service if the bus actually turns up and are expected to be grateful for it.

I kind of was but wasn't. To be honest, transport in quite a few areas in Teesside completely sucks, like getting around Middlesbrough is non existent, literally every bus goes into the centre. I'm not saying there's a million people wanting to go from Ingleby Barwick / Thornaby to Hemlington / Coulby Newham but getting over the A19 is near impossible currently.

Mind got to give credit for the network which exists since it's pretty much all commercial since the councils down there fund next to nothing, ironic when they get some money they spunk it on rubbish.

(27 Feb 2024, 9:27 pm)col87 wrote Meanwhile Hartlepool once again gets nothing despite the need for a service to North Tees and a service between Headland and West View.

For a journey that takes a few minutes in the car, the fact that there's been no direct service linking the Headland to West View, except the early morning 20 which runs once a day is shocking. You could easily add one bus into the 3/3A, run it straight down the A179 and West View Road and onto the Headland before returning the same way. Wouldn't add much more than 20 minutes onto the end of the journey

Changes confirmed on VOSA:

PB0002404/388
Cancellation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 317 (317) Wallsend Whitley Bay

PB0002404/10
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X77X78X79 (X78, X77, X79, X79) Eldon Square Bus Station Ponteland and Darras Hall

35 change registered

New evening and Sunday journeys to operate, with all journeys operating via Jesmond, Osborne Road. Monday to Saturday daytime journeys also extended to Newcastle Central Station

553 in the morning will be renumbered to 653

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:19:06:997

North East changes

(15 Mar 2024, 7:18 pm)Aaron21 wrote https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:19:06:997

North East changes

I’m not the grammar police but this is extremely badly written. Under 553 it calls it “The 553” and the 37/38 changes stop mid sentence.

The 685 from Denton burn at 0545 to Hexham I’m sure will attract a lot of people ? with an un guaranteed connection from the 22