Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
(30 Jan 2015, 4:05 pm)tyresmoke It will be re-registered in three separate parts. It allows the drivers to work on a more relaxed 5.5 hour spread, allowing for more flexibility during disruption.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:05 pm)tyresmoke It will be re-registered in three separate parts. It allows the drivers to work on a more relaxed 5.5 hour spread, allowing for more flexibility during disruption.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:13 pm)Jimmi So it will be like Stagecoach's 685 then. So I'm guessing it will be split at Guisborough and Whitby then.
Hope day-trippers don't find this confusing.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:13 pm)Jimmi So it will be like Stagecoach's 685 then. So I'm guessing it will be split at Guisborough and Whitby then.
Hope day-trippers don't find this confusing.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:22 pm)Dan It'll probably be set up in such a way that isn't confusing.
For example:
X93 Guisborough for Whitby and Scarborough
X93 Whitby for Scarborough
X93 Scarborough via x, y, z.
Of course, the route branding on the Volvo B9TLs (should) help, too.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:22 pm)Dan It'll probably be set up in such a way that isn't confusing.
For example:
X93 Guisborough for Whitby and Scarborough
X93 Whitby for Scarborough
X93 Scarborough via x, y, z.
Of course, the route branding on the Volvo B9TLs (should) help, too.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:24 pm)Jimmi Likely but Arriva's new annoying style for screens with through services such as the 21/X21 and X12/X2 looks awful as it says for (destination) then shows via points which annoys me.
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(30 Jan 2015, 4:24 pm)Jimmi Likely but Arriva's new annoying style for screens with through services such as the 21/X21 and X12/X2 looks awful as it says for (destination) then shows via points which annoys me.
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(30 Jan 2015, 4:26 pm)tyresmoke I'd like to see us use "then" rather than "for" - I think this would work well on the X93 where there are very few notable via points...
(30 Jan 2015, 4:26 pm)tyresmoke I'd like to see us use "then" rather than "for" - I think this would work well on the X93 where there are very few notable via points...
Or, rather than 'for' or 'then', they fit the tachos and (however daft the rules may be), follow the EU legislation - rather than look for loopholes.
No confusion for passengers. Jobs a good un.
I appreciate why operators look for these loopholes, after all it gives them flexibility and saves money - but it won't be long before the beaurocrats in Brussells catch on to it and outlaw it.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:30 pm)Jimmi I think "then" sounds better as some people may see "for" and think that the destination at the top of the screen is the terminus and they have to get off there and get another bus.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:30 pm)Jimmi I think "then" sounds better as some people may see "for" and think that the destination at the top of the screen is the terminus and they have to get off there and get another bus.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:37 pm)Andreos1 Or, rather than 'for' or 'then', they fit the tachos and (however daft the rules may be), follow the EU legislation - rather than look for loopholes.
No confusion for passengers. Jobs a good un.
I appreciate why operators look for these loopholes, after all it gives them flexibility and saves money - but it won't be long before the beaurocrats in Brussells catch on to it and outlaw it.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:37 pm)Andreos1 Or, rather than 'for' or 'then', they fit the tachos and (however daft the rules may be), follow the EU legislation - rather than look for loopholes.
No confusion for passengers. Jobs a good un.
I appreciate why operators look for these loopholes, after all it gives them flexibility and saves money - but it won't be long before the beaurocrats in Brussells catch on to it and outlaw it.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:19 pm)Jimmi Having ridden the new B9TL's on the X93 on Monday they could maybe get up Sutton Bank although you do have to account for the traffic following the bus up there.I
Problem is though is where would Arriva get some B9TL's from for this service suggestion as sorry for sounding all DaveyBowyer but I think B9TL's may be the only low floor bus that could maybe handle Sutton Bank and if you can't get any it's not worth sending a bus up there as pretty much everything else would probably struggle.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:19 pm)Jimmi Having ridden the new B9TL's on the X93 on Monday they could maybe get up Sutton Bank although you do have to account for the traffic following the bus up there.I
Problem is though is where would Arriva get some B9TL's from for this service suggestion as sorry for sounding all DaveyBowyer but I think B9TL's may be the only low floor bus that could maybe handle Sutton Bank and if you can't get any it's not worth sending a bus up there as pretty much everything else would probably struggle.
(30 Jan 2015, 6:09 pm)Kuyoyo You mean the loopholes that have been used for 6 or 7 years and haven't been outlawed yet
The issues is - X93 arrives in Scarborough an hour and a half late at present with a tachograph, it means the driver will have to taken his or her 35 minutes legal break there as European Driving Hours are upto 4 hours 30 minutes before the meal break must be taken, meaning given the shift pattern he or she would have to take their break there and then. That also then screws up their second half as well.
Under domestic driving hours, the bus could set off straight back as the driver is only 2 hours 32 minutes into his legal 5 hours 30 minutes.
It also helps with covering runs - as a spare Stockton driver could theoretically be able to cover an X93 between Middlesbrough and Whitby using a Stockton vehicle if the need really did arise.
(30 Jan 2015, 6:09 pm)Kuyoyo You mean the loopholes that have been used for 6 or 7 years and haven't been outlawed yet
The issues is - X93 arrives in Scarborough an hour and a half late at present with a tachograph, it means the driver will have to taken his or her 35 minutes legal break there as European Driving Hours are upto 4 hours 30 minutes before the meal break must be taken, meaning given the shift pattern he or she would have to take their break there and then. That also then screws up their second half as well.
Under domestic driving hours, the bus could set off straight back as the driver is only 2 hours 32 minutes into his legal 5 hours 30 minutes.
It also helps with covering runs - as a spare Stockton driver could theoretically be able to cover an X93 between Middlesbrough and Whitby using a Stockton vehicle if the need really did arise.
(30 Jan 2015, 6:11 pm)DaveyBowyer I
With a bit of TLC, 7453 - 7456 could just about handle Sutton Bank. Will they be bringing Pulsar Gemini's down from Blyth as summer extras?
(30 Jan 2015, 6:36 pm)Kuyoyo So far, it seems the summer extras will be at least 3 of 7618-20/6/7 from Durham whille the University holidays are on.
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(30 Jan 2015, 6:36 pm)Kuyoyo So far, it seems the summer extras will be at least 3 of 7618-20/6/7 from Durham whille the University holidays are on.
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(30 Jan 2015, 6:11 pm)DaveyBowyer IWould agree about 7453-6, they would handle the route far better Gemini's, and I'm pretty sure they have a higher capacity as well?
With a bit of TLC, 7453 - 7456 could just about handle Sutton Bank. Will they be bringing Pulsar Gemini's down from Blyth as summer extras?
(30 Jan 2015, 6:11 pm)DaveyBowyer IWould agree about 7453-6, they would handle the route far better Gemini's, and I'm pretty sure they have a higher capacity as well?
With a bit of TLC, 7453 - 7456 could just about handle Sutton Bank. Will they be bringing Pulsar Gemini's down from Blyth as summer extras?
ARRIVA Route 1:
Changes Summary: All journeys Mon-Sat terminate at Wansbeck Hospital. See next page for alternative plan.
Monday-Saturday Daytimes: PVR 3
Blyth Bus Station... 00..20..40
North Farm............ 04..24..44
Cowpen Shops...... 08..28..48
Bebside ASDA...... 13..33..53
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 19..39..59
S'ford Half Moon.... 25..45..05
N Seaton Elephant 28..48..08
Ashington Bus Stn. 34..54..14
Wansbeck Hospital 38..58..18
Wansbeck Hospital 40..00..20
Ashington Bus Stn. 44..04..24
N Seaton Elephant 50..10..30
S'ford Half Moon.... 53..13..33
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 59..19..39
Bebside ASDA....... 05..25..45
Cowpen Shops....... 10..30..50
North Farm............. 14..34..54
Blyth Bus Station.... 18..38..58
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Sunday: PVR 1
Blyth Bus Station... 00
North Farm............ 03
Cowpen Shops...... 07
Bebside ASDA...... 11
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 14
S'ford Half Moon.... 20
N Seaton Elephant 23
Ashington Bus Stn. 27
Ashington Bus Stn. 30
N Seaton Elephant 34
S'ford Half Moon.... 37
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 43
Bebside ASDA....... 46
Cowpen Shops....... 50
North Farm............. 54
Blyth Bus Station.... 57
(30 Jan 2015, 7:37 pm)Tommy_1581 ARRIVA Route 1:I'd suggest increasing the frequency Monday to Saturday, every time I've seen one it's been busy.
Changes Summary: All journeys Mon-Sat terminate at Wansbeck Hospital.
Monday-Saturday Daytimes: PVR 3
(30 Jan 2015, 7:37 pm)Tommy_1581 ARRIVA Route 1:I'd suggest increasing the frequency Monday to Saturday, every time I've seen one it's been busy.
Changes Summary: All journeys Mon-Sat terminate at Wansbeck Hospital.
Monday-Saturday Daytimes: PVR 3
(30 Jan 2015, 7:45 pm)mb134 I'd suggest increasing the frequency Monday to Saturday, every time I've seen one it's been busy.
Last night I saw a Quorum Commander on there, and there was a fair load.
I think both the 1 and 2 should run every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday, or use larger vehicles.
Edit: Trimmed the quote, as it's pretty big.
(30 Jan 2015, 7:45 pm)mb134 I'd suggest increasing the frequency Monday to Saturday, every time I've seen one it's been busy.
Last night I saw a Quorum Commander on there, and there was a fair load.
I think both the 1 and 2 should run every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday, or use larger vehicles.
Edit: Trimmed the quote, as it's pretty big.
ARRIVA Route 1:
Changes Summary: All journeys Mon-Sat terminate at Wansbeck Hospital. Updated 15 minute frequency, 12 minutes layover at Blyth.
Monday-Saturday Daytimes: PVR 4
Blyth Bus Station... 00..15..30..45
North Farm............ 04..19..34..49
Cowpen Shops...... 08..23..38..53
Bebside ASDA...... 13..28..43..58
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 19..34..49..04
S'ford Half Moon.... 25..40..55..10
N Seaton Elephant 28..43..58..13
Ashington Bus Stn. 34..49..04..19
Wansbeck Hospital 38..53..08..23
Wansbeck Hospital 40..55..10..25
Ashington Bus Stn. 44..59..14..29
N Seaton Elephant 50..05..20..35
S'ford Half Moon.... 53..08..23..38
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 59..14..29..44
Bebside ASDA....... 05..20..35..50
Cowpen Shops....... 10..25..40..55
North Farm............. 14..29..44..59
Blyth Bus Station.... 18..33..48..03
_________________________________
Sunday: PVR 1
Blyth Bus Station... 00
North Farm............ 03
Cowpen Shops...... 07
Bebside ASDA...... 11
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 14
S'ford Half Moon.... 20
N Seaton Elephant 23
Ashington Bus Stn. 27
Ashington Bus Stn. 30
N Seaton Elephant 34
S'ford Half Moon.... 37
B'lington Stn Cafe.. 43
Bebside ASDA....... 46
Cowpen Shops....... 50
North Farm............. 54
Blyth Bus Station.... 57