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Kuyoyo
6857
07 Oct 2013, 9:54 am
#41
(07 Oct 2013, 8:04 am)JoshP An EcoCity was pictured on the X1 this morning. This is becoming quite common.

The EcoCity works the recently added extra trip that starts at West Auckland and terminates in Darlington. It then goes back to the depot for refuelling I believe.
Kuyoyo
07 Oct 2013, 9:54 am #41

(07 Oct 2013, 8:04 am)JoshP An EcoCity was pictured on the X1 this morning. This is becoming quite common.

The EcoCity works the recently added extra trip that starts at West Auckland and terminates in Darlington. It then goes back to the depot for refuelling I believe.

tyresmoke
5325
07 Oct 2013, 6:07 pm
#42
(07 Oct 2013, 9:54 am)Kuyoyo The EcoCity works the recently added extra trip that starts at West Auckland and terminates in Darlington. It then goes back to the depot for refuelling I believe.

Is a duplicate of an existing service rather than an additional trip. This will revert to an official registered service starting in West Auckland from the end of October. I don't think it will be operated by an Ecocity though.

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tyresmoke
07 Oct 2013, 6:07 pm #42

(07 Oct 2013, 9:54 am)Kuyoyo The EcoCity works the recently added extra trip that starts at West Auckland and terminates in Darlington. It then goes back to the depot for refuelling I believe.

Is a duplicate of an existing service rather than an additional trip. This will revert to an official registered service starting in West Auckland from the end of October. I don't think it will be operated by an Ecocity though.

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citaro5284
3236
07 Oct 2013, 8:29 pm
#43
A Coach (think it was 1213) was on the 55 this morning....3rd time I have seen this in a week doing this journey (0651 ex Haymarket)
citaro5284
07 Oct 2013, 8:29 pm #43

A Coach (think it was 1213) was on the 55 this morning....3rd time I have seen this in a week doing this journey (0651 ex Haymarket)

Dan
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18132
08 Oct 2013, 4:25 pm
#44
A complete list of the fleet number to registration allocation:

Stockton [Arriva]:
  • 1512 (NL63 VRF)

Darlington [Sapphire]:
  • 1513 (NL63 VRG)
  • 1514 (NL63 VRJ)
  • 1515 (NL63 VRK)
  • 1516 (NL63 VRM)
  • 1517 (NL63 VRN)
  • 1518 (NL63 VRO)
  • 1519 (NL63 VPT)
  • 1520 (NL63 VPU)
  • 1521 (NL63 VPV)

Belmont [Sapphire]:
  • 1522 (NL63 VPW)
  • 1523 (NL63 VVO)
Dan
08 Oct 2013, 4:25 pm #44

A complete list of the fleet number to registration allocation:

Stockton [Arriva]:

  • 1512 (NL63 VRF)

Darlington [Sapphire]:
  • 1513 (NL63 VRG)
  • 1514 (NL63 VRJ)
  • 1515 (NL63 VRK)
  • 1516 (NL63 VRM)
  • 1517 (NL63 VRN)
  • 1518 (NL63 VRO)
  • 1519 (NL63 VPT)
  • 1520 (NL63 VPU)
  • 1521 (NL63 VPV)

Belmont [Sapphire]:
  • 1522 (NL63 VPW)
  • 1523 (NL63 VVO)

Michael
19180
08 Oct 2013, 4:31 pm
#45
(08 Oct 2013, 4:25 pm)Daniel A complete list of the fleet number to registration allocation:

Stockton [Arriva]:
  • 1512 (NL63 VRF)

Darlington [Sapphire]:
  • 1513 (NL63 VRG)
  • 1514 (NL63 VRJ)
  • 1515 (NL63 VRK)
  • 1516 (NL63 VRM)
  • 1517 (NL63 VRN)
  • 1518 (NL63 VRO)
  • 1519 (NL63 VPT)
  • 1520 (NL63 VPU)
  • 1521 (NL63 VPV)

Belmont [Sapphire]:
  • 1522 (NL63 VPW)
  • 1523 (NL63 VVO)

The Sapphire colour/brand looks good =)

What will these replace?
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
08 Oct 2013, 4:31 pm #45

(08 Oct 2013, 4:25 pm)Daniel A complete list of the fleet number to registration allocation:

Stockton [Arriva]:
  • 1512 (NL63 VRF)

Darlington [Sapphire]:
  • 1513 (NL63 VRG)
  • 1514 (NL63 VRJ)
  • 1515 (NL63 VRK)
  • 1516 (NL63 VRM)
  • 1517 (NL63 VRN)
  • 1518 (NL63 VRO)
  • 1519 (NL63 VPT)
  • 1520 (NL63 VPU)
  • 1521 (NL63 VPV)

Belmont [Sapphire]:
  • 1522 (NL63 VPW)
  • 1523 (NL63 VVO)

The Sapphire colour/brand looks good =)

What will these replace?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

tyresmoke
5325
08 Oct 2013, 4:33 pm
#46
(08 Oct 2013, 4:31 pm)Michael The Sapphire colour/brand looks good =)

What will these replace?

Mainly DAF SB220 vehicles from Redcar

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tyresmoke
08 Oct 2013, 4:33 pm #46

(08 Oct 2013, 4:31 pm)Michael The Sapphire colour/brand looks good =)

What will these replace?

Mainly DAF SB220 vehicles from Redcar

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Dan
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18132
08 Oct 2013, 4:34 pm
#47
(08 Oct 2013, 4:31 pm)Michael The Sapphire colour/brand looks good =)

What will these replace?

If specific details are allowed to be released on the public domain at this stage, Scott may be able to tell us - if not, he may be able to give us a hint. Tongue
Dan
08 Oct 2013, 4:34 pm #47

(08 Oct 2013, 4:31 pm)Michael The Sapphire colour/brand looks good =)

What will these replace?

If specific details are allowed to be released on the public domain at this stage, Scott may be able to tell us - if not, he may be able to give us a hint. Tongue

Michael
19180
08 Oct 2013, 4:45 pm
#48
Thanks =)

PB0002717/296 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Easington given service number 5A/5/5B effective from 13-Oct-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
08 Oct 2013, 4:45 pm #48

Thanks =)

PB0002717/296 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Easington given service number 5A/5/5B effective from 13-Oct-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

tyresmoke
5325
08 Oct 2013, 4:51 pm
#49
(08 Oct 2013, 4:45 pm)Michael Thanks =)

PB0002717/296 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Easington given service number 5A/5/5B effective from 13-Oct-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.

Short notice change to take Skinningrove out of the route (5 and X4) with a few timetable amendments to remove the extra running time, buses will leave Easington upto 5 mins later towards Middlesbrough, and arrive upto 4 mins earlier coming from Middlesbrough. How this affects the timings to/from Whitby on the 5 journeys that go via Skinningrove I'm not too sure.

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tyresmoke
08 Oct 2013, 4:51 pm #49

(08 Oct 2013, 4:45 pm)Michael Thanks =)

PB0002717/296 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Easington given service number 5A/5/5B effective from 13-Oct-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.

Short notice change to take Skinningrove out of the route (5 and X4) with a few timetable amendments to remove the extra running time, buses will leave Easington upto 5 mins later towards Middlesbrough, and arrive upto 4 mins earlier coming from Middlesbrough. How this affects the timings to/from Whitby on the 5 journeys that go via Skinningrove I'm not too sure.

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tyresmoke
5325
08 Oct 2013, 4:55 pm
#50
Allocation changes as of 5th October:

4004 Reserve - Jesmond (replacing 1213 to Ashington)
4072 Reserve - Jesmond (extra bus to combat late running on 43/45)

1213 Jesmond - Ashington (replacing 1211 to be converted to training coach)

4002/4027 Redcar - Disposal (end of 'peak' summer X93 timetable, PVR -2)

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tyresmoke
08 Oct 2013, 4:55 pm #50

Allocation changes as of 5th October:

4004 Reserve - Jesmond (replacing 1213 to Ashington)
4072 Reserve - Jesmond (extra bus to combat late running on 43/45)

1213 Jesmond - Ashington (replacing 1211 to be converted to training coach)

4002/4027 Redcar - Disposal (end of 'peak' summer X93 timetable, PVR -2)

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peter
994
08 Oct 2013, 8:11 pm
#51
Why are Stockton gaining one (fairly random) bus?
peter
08 Oct 2013, 8:11 pm #51

Why are Stockton gaining one (fairly random) bus?

Kuyoyo
6857
08 Oct 2013, 8:22 pm
#52
(08 Oct 2013, 8:11 pm)peter Why are Stockton gaining one (fairly random) bus?

1512? It was due for Stockton originally, then the plan changed with it going to Darlington and 1493 would return to Stockton. However, the application of the X1 advert on 1493 means that the plan has changed back to the original plan.
Kuyoyo
08 Oct 2013, 8:22 pm #52

(08 Oct 2013, 8:11 pm)peter Why are Stockton gaining one (fairly random) bus?

1512? It was due for Stockton originally, then the plan changed with it going to Darlington and 1493 would return to Stockton. However, the application of the X1 advert on 1493 means that the plan has changed back to the original plan.

busman101
237
08 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm
#53
(08 Oct 2013, 4:55 pm)tyresmoke Allocation changes as of 5th October:

4004 Reserve - Jesmond (replacing 1213 to Ashington)
4072 Reserve - Jesmond (extra bus to combat late running on 43/45)

1213 Jesmond - Ashington (replacing 1211 to be converted to training coach)

4002/4027 Redcar - Disposal (end of 'peak' summer X93 timetable, PVR -2)

Extra bus on the 43/45 to combat late running - remind me how many times the 43 has changed in the past year or so ? Claudio Ranieri is at Doxford these days it seems !!!
busman101
08 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm #53

(08 Oct 2013, 4:55 pm)tyresmoke Allocation changes as of 5th October:

4004 Reserve - Jesmond (replacing 1213 to Ashington)
4072 Reserve - Jesmond (extra bus to combat late running on 43/45)

1213 Jesmond - Ashington (replacing 1211 to be converted to training coach)

4002/4027 Redcar - Disposal (end of 'peak' summer X93 timetable, PVR -2)

Extra bus on the 43/45 to combat late running - remind me how many times the 43 has changed in the past year or so ? Claudio Ranieri is at Doxford these days it seems !!!

Adrian
Website
9608
08 Oct 2013, 8:45 pm
#54
(08 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm)busman101 Extra bus on the 43/45 to combat late running - remind me how many times the 43 has changed in the past year or so ? Claudio Ranieri is at Doxford these days it seems !!!

I think we're getting into the kettle calling the pot black here..
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Adrian
08 Oct 2013, 8:45 pm #54

(08 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm)busman101 Extra bus on the 43/45 to combat late running - remind me how many times the 43 has changed in the past year or so ? Claudio Ranieri is at Doxford these days it seems !!!

I think we're getting into the kettle calling the pot black here..

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Davey Bowyer
265
08 Oct 2013, 9:11 pm
#55
I don't know the exact PVR'S but I think that the best fleet strategy is the way forward for Arriva.

- Extend the 306 to Whitley Bay from Tynemouth Mannor Road via the Coaster route every 15 minutes (30 minutes evenings and Sundays). Also, serve North Shields Metro and Bedford Street towards Whitley Bay rather than Christ Church. For journeys to Newcastle, operate via Northumberland Square and Church Way. Displace the 10 Volvo B5 Gemini 2's if the 308 on to the 306 as them type of buses will be betted suited to the 306. Also, if service 306 becomes well used through the Marden Estate, keep it on the Coast Road rather than Battle Hill with the 308.

- For service 308, X10, X11, X15, X18, X21 and X22, order Volvo B9 Gemini 2's with high back seating, Wi-Fi and power sockets (X15, X18, X21, X22 ONLY FOR POWER SOCKETS). The B9 will suit these routes better due to the powerful engines and reliability.

- Due to the above, the DAF ALX400'S, Optare Spectras and Y reg DAF Lowlanders can be withdrawn due to the availability of the VDL DB300 Gemini 2's and Alexander Dennis Enviro 400's. The only requirement of the VDL Gemini 2's will be the X13

-The availability of the two vehicle types above plus the 2 Volvo B7TL ALX400'S at Jesmond, could be used to:

- Make up the total PVR on the 306
- Upgrade the Quorum Express services to the 61 reg VDL Gemini 2's and use the remaining ones plus, a few of the 59 reg ones on the X13.
- Upgrade the X20 / 20 and 14 / X14 and long 44 runs
- Upgrade the 43 to double deck vehicles
- Act as spare vehicles
- Potentially launch a half hourly ( hourly evenings and Sundays) express route shadowing the 308 route to Billy Mill then limited stop to Newcastle only calling at Formica and Willingtin Square
Davey Bowyer
08 Oct 2013, 9:11 pm #55

I don't know the exact PVR'S but I think that the best fleet strategy is the way forward for Arriva.

- Extend the 306 to Whitley Bay from Tynemouth Mannor Road via the Coaster route every 15 minutes (30 minutes evenings and Sundays). Also, serve North Shields Metro and Bedford Street towards Whitley Bay rather than Christ Church. For journeys to Newcastle, operate via Northumberland Square and Church Way. Displace the 10 Volvo B5 Gemini 2's if the 308 on to the 306 as them type of buses will be betted suited to the 306. Also, if service 306 becomes well used through the Marden Estate, keep it on the Coast Road rather than Battle Hill with the 308.

- For service 308, X10, X11, X15, X18, X21 and X22, order Volvo B9 Gemini 2's with high back seating, Wi-Fi and power sockets (X15, X18, X21, X22 ONLY FOR POWER SOCKETS). The B9 will suit these routes better due to the powerful engines and reliability.

- Due to the above, the DAF ALX400'S, Optare Spectras and Y reg DAF Lowlanders can be withdrawn due to the availability of the VDL DB300 Gemini 2's and Alexander Dennis Enviro 400's. The only requirement of the VDL Gemini 2's will be the X13

-The availability of the two vehicle types above plus the 2 Volvo B7TL ALX400'S at Jesmond, could be used to:

- Make up the total PVR on the 306
- Upgrade the Quorum Express services to the 61 reg VDL Gemini 2's and use the remaining ones plus, a few of the 59 reg ones on the X13.
- Upgrade the X20 / 20 and 14 / X14 and long 44 runs
- Upgrade the 43 to double deck vehicles
- Act as spare vehicles
- Potentially launch a half hourly ( hourly evenings and Sundays) express route shadowing the 308 route to Billy Mill then limited stop to Newcastle only calling at Formica and Willingtin Square

mattdw92
181
09 Oct 2013, 4:39 pm
#56
VDL Commanders 1402/03 have now been fully branded branded for "Quorums Express" duties.
mattdw92
09 Oct 2013, 4:39 pm #56

VDL Commanders 1402/03 have now been fully branded branded for "Quorums Express" duties.

Andreos1
14267
10 Oct 2013, 9:51 am
#57
Passengers hanging back from a tynedale express at Eldon Square just earlier in favour of the 685.

Not many seats (majority 2x2) on the 685 as it pulled away
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Oct 2013, 9:51 am #57

Passengers hanging back from a tynedale express at Eldon Square just earlier in favour of the 685.

Not many seats (majority 2x2) on the 685 as it pulled away

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

VolvoMarkII
115
10 Oct 2013, 9:58 am
#58
(08 Oct 2013, 8:45 pm)aureolin I think we're getting into the kettle calling the pot black here..

Amen.

The 43 has had reliability issues for a few years.

Previous holders of commercial positions at Arriva never managed to sort it out either.
VolvoMarkII
10 Oct 2013, 9:58 am #58

(08 Oct 2013, 8:45 pm)aureolin I think we're getting into the kettle calling the pot black here..

Amen.

The 43 has had reliability issues for a few years.

Previous holders of commercial positions at Arriva never managed to sort it out either.

citaro5284
3236
10 Oct 2013, 11:28 am
#59
(10 Oct 2013, 9:51 am)Andreos1 Passengers hanging back from a tynedale express at Eldon Square just earlier in favour of the 685.

Not many seats (majority 2x2) on the 685 as it pulled away

Maybe going beyond Hexham
citaro5284
10 Oct 2013, 11:28 am #59

(10 Oct 2013, 9:51 am)Andreos1 Passengers hanging back from a tynedale express at Eldon Square just earlier in favour of the 685.

Not many seats (majority 2x2) on the 685 as it pulled away

Maybe going beyond Hexham

Andreos1
14267
10 Oct 2013, 11:57 am
#60
(10 Oct 2013, 11:28 am)citaro5284 Maybe going beyond Hexham

There could be a whole load of reasons why they chose Arriva (this one was Pulsar worked) over GNE.

Just merely stating an observation.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Oct 2013, 11:57 am #60

(10 Oct 2013, 11:28 am)citaro5284 Maybe going beyond Hexham

There could be a whole load of reasons why they chose Arriva (this one was Pulsar worked) over GNE.

Just merely stating an observation.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

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