Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this yearMost likely is that yes. Meanwhile Hartlepool have buses that no hardly fit for purpose and the engineers seeming to work flat out to keep them on the road. Newcastle have a big problem in that they have at least half the fleet unsuitable to be used in the city centre soon and once covid is over quite a few of Stockton’s services will likely once again be full. It the usual thing with Stagecoach though they don’t care. They won’t sell because if it don’t make much profit they still have a monopoly in that area but they won’t invest either. Something needs doing but they won’t do anything.
As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this yearMost likely is that yes. Meanwhile Hartlepool have buses that no hardly fit for purpose and the engineers seeming to work flat out to keep them on the road. Newcastle have a big problem in that they have at least half the fleet unsuitable to be used in the city centre soon and once covid is over quite a few of Stockton’s services will likely once again be full. It the usual thing with Stagecoach though they don’t care. They won’t sell because if it don’t make much profit they still have a monopoly in that area but they won’t invest either. Something needs doing but they won’t do anything.
As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year
As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year
As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year
As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year
As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
i think SNE especially the Newcastle division needs more investment, when i worked there nearly ten years ago now it was either the 3rd largest division in UK bus or 3rd most profitable, i cant remember which one. Now that DWS has pretty much won the takeover and stagecoach has swooped in with a 20 million pound takeover of east London buses to say things are tight is not much of an excuse.
i think if 25 new double decker's could be sourced it would alleviate a few problems namely allowing the 15 eldest decker's from SNE to cascaded elsewhere. and the remaining ten being used to increase capacity on a number of services. replacing the 5 oldest or most problematic single decker's at slatyford would help to make the transition to CAZ easier.
i would break it down as the following
15x E400MMCs for walkergate enabling a cascade replacing 5x2007 E400s and 10x2008 E400s throughout the rest of SNE
10xE400 EMMCs replacing 10 single decker's at slatyford firstly allowing 5 E200s to be replaced. perhaps 3 to walkergate for 317 route allowing some of the older ALX300s to used for component recovery and 2E200s to go to hartlepool to enable 2 of the troublesome E200s there to be replaced. Perhaps cascading 3 of the SP08 E300s with one of them scrapped for component recovery and the remaining numbers for replacing ALX300s
https://www.insider.co.uk/news/stagecoac...l-27079387
I think what I would do is this.
Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and 39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services.
Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well. Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.
This would then be the order for the north East
13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.
10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.
This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.
(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this.
Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and 39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services.
Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well. Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.
This would then be the order for the north East
13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.
10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.
This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.
(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this.
Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and 39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services.
Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well. Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.
This would then be the order for the north East
13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.
10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.
This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.
(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this.
Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and 39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services.
Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well. Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.
This would then be the order for the north East
13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.
10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.
This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.
(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this.
Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and 39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services.
Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well. Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.
This would then be the order for the north East
13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.
10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.
This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.
(31 May 2022, 6:59 pm)Benny I'd say send the new buses above all to Newcastle. Send 5 of the 200MMC from Stockton so that service 36 is the flagship route plus 1 spare. 37/38 could use old deckers from Newcastle or routes like 10/13/14 could be ran by midi buses from Newcastle.Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.
Hartlepool will get whatever is spare.
(31 May 2022, 6:59 pm)Benny I'd say send the new buses above all to Newcastle. Send 5 of the 200MMC from Stockton so that service 36 is the flagship route plus 1 spare. 37/38 could use old deckers from Newcastle or routes like 10/13/14 could be ran by midi buses from Newcastle.Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.
Hartlepool will get whatever is spare.
(31 May 2022, 9:20 pm)col87 Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.
(31 May 2022, 9:20 pm)col87 Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.
(31 May 2022, 10:48 pm)col87 They definitely need them the current fleet is falling to bits.
(31 May 2022, 10:48 pm)col87 They definitely need them the current fleet is falling to bits.
(01 Jun 2022, 6:41 pm)Storx I hate being negative but Hartlepool is a bit of a basketcase of a depot and I have a feeling the area could be in big trouble when the BSIP payments end.The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits. There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.
Other than the 36 there's nothing really strong there hence it's low cost and is dumped with any crap they can find with the 36 conveniently ran from Stockton instead.
You'll get Hydrogen buses on the 36 soon'ish but the rest of the depot won't ever get a new bus again imo.
South Shields is the same with the E1/E2/E6 moved to Wheatsheaf.
(01 Jun 2022, 6:41 pm)Storx I hate being negative but Hartlepool is a bit of a basketcase of a depot and I have a feeling the area could be in big trouble when the BSIP payments end.The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits. There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.
Other than the 36 there's nothing really strong there hence it's low cost and is dumped with any crap they can find with the 36 conveniently ran from Stockton instead.
You'll get Hydrogen buses on the 36 soon'ish but the rest of the depot won't ever get a new bus again imo.
South Shields is the same with the E1/E2/E6 moved to Wheatsheaf.
(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits. There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.*insert name of most operators* had some better services then it might just become profitable.
(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits. There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.*insert name of most operators* had some better services then it might just become profitable.
(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits. There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.
(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits. There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.
This is what happens when areas get carved up
When stagecoach purchased Hartlepool transport, there was an agreement between united/Arriva and stagecoach , Arriva let stagecoach have Hartlepool south area towards billingham , Stockton and Middlesbrough. While stagecoach let Arriva have chunks of the Cleveland transit areas. In Hartlepool you can’t go east unless you got a boat, to go west Arriva withdrew (streamlined)there services towards bishop Auckland , Darlington etc.. and to force passengers heading that way to go via Durham to get to there destination, direct services don’t exist as there are not profitable and making the passenger/customer to travel the route the bus company wants and the times that there want, no wonder more and more are turning to cars etc…
Am surprised stagecoach Hartlepool didnt go the same way as stagecoach Darlington
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(31 May 2022, 10:00 pm)glen Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?
(31 May 2022, 10:00 pm)glen Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?