May 2024 changes
May 2024 changes
4th May 2024:
PB0003954/1433
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X75 (X75) Newcastle Wallington Hall
12th May 2024:
PB0003954/1383
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 82 (82) Queen Elizabeth Hospital Waterview Park
PB0003954/1219
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X1 (X1A) Newcastle Peterlee
PB0003954/1280
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 81 (81) Sunderland Gateshead
(28 Mar 2024, 8:53 pm)gc802002 PB0003954/1384 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Houghton Kepier Medical Practice to Fence Houses via Houghton le Spring, Dairy Lane Estate
Service number: 520
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 12 May 2024
(28 Mar 2024, 8:53 pm)gc802002 PB0003954/1384 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Houghton Kepier Medical Practice to Fence Houses via Houghton le Spring, Dairy Lane Estate
Service number: 520
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 12 May 2024
(28 Mar 2024, 10:42 pm)Dan Awarded to Gateshead Central Taxis.
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(28 Mar 2024, 10:42 pm)Dan Awarded to Gateshead Central Taxis.
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(29 Mar 2024, 8:55 pm)busmanT Minor changes implemented by Nexus when the new contract starts
(29 Mar 2024, 8:55 pm)busmanT Minor changes implemented by Nexus when the new contract starts
(30 Mar 2024, 6:06 pm)busmanT I suspect that under the franchised “Angel network” there will be more 81 type services.I think you'd have less 81 type services under franchising. They only exist due to trying to serve as many commercially abandoned areas, with as little money as possible. In franchising, I'm assuming the better option would be to rejig your network, so these areas instead have logical bus services?
(30 Mar 2024, 6:06 pm)busmanT I suspect that under the franchised “Angel network” there will be more 81 type services.I think you'd have less 81 type services under franchising. They only exist due to trying to serve as many commercially abandoned areas, with as little money as possible. In franchising, I'm assuming the better option would be to rejig your network, so these areas instead have logical bus services?
(30 Mar 2024, 8:45 pm)Adrian I think you'd have less 81 type services under franchising. They only exist due to trying to serve as many commercially abandoned areas, with as little money as possible. In franchising, I'm assuming the better option would be to rejig your network, so these areas instead have logical bus services?
That being said, hopefully, we never have an Angel network. It'll be like the chuckle brothers with her and the current JTC chair running the show. Wouldn't trust either of them to deliver the milk.
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(30 Mar 2024, 8:45 pm)Adrian I think you'd have less 81 type services under franchising. They only exist due to trying to serve as many commercially abandoned areas, with as little money as possible. In franchising, I'm assuming the better option would be to rejig your network, so these areas instead have logical bus services?
That being said, hopefully, we never have an Angel network. It'll be like the chuckle brothers with her and the current JTC chair running the show. Wouldn't trust either of them to deliver the milk.
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(31 Mar 2024, 3:08 am)deanmachine We'd have to hope that franchising would supersede Nexus is the main thing in my opinion. I don't want the people currently running the PTE anywhere near a new network, I also hope they'd be able to snatch the Metro from their control too. Although I fear it would just become big Nexus and it would run out of Nexus house just ruining Durham, and Northumberland too on top of Tyne & Wear.
(31 Mar 2024, 3:08 am)deanmachine We'd have to hope that franchising would supersede Nexus is the main thing in my opinion. I don't want the people currently running the PTE anywhere near a new network, I also hope they'd be able to snatch the Metro from their control too. Although I fear it would just become big Nexus and it would run out of Nexus house just ruining Durham, and Northumberland too on top of Tyne & Wear.
(31 Mar 2024, 12:31 pm)Andreos1 The challenge with that, is getting the people in to replace them? Who do you get?
The 'professionals' currently working within the main operators aren't exactly showing the skillset required. I'd certainly not have any confidence in them suddenly turning around years of incompetence and decision making that sees years on years of failing numbers, to then turn it on under a different employer/provision.
There's the queries around the competence of those in Nexus and the various transport quangos.
I think that just leaves the sane amongst us on this forum to step in.
(31 Mar 2024, 12:31 pm)Andreos1 The challenge with that, is getting the people in to replace them? Who do you get?
The 'professionals' currently working within the main operators aren't exactly showing the skillset required. I'd certainly not have any confidence in them suddenly turning around years of incompetence and decision making that sees years on years of failing numbers, to then turn it on under a different employer/provision.
There's the queries around the competence of those in Nexus and the various transport quangos.
I think that just leaves the sane amongst us on this forum to step in.
(31 Mar 2024, 12:31 pm)Andreos1 The challenge with that, is getting the people in to replace them? Who do you get?
The 'professionals' currently working within the main operators aren't exactly showing the skillset required. I'd certainly not have any confidence in them suddenly turning around years of incompetence and decision making that sees years on years of failing numbers, to then turn it on under a different employer/provision.
There's the queries around the competence of those in Nexus and the various transport quangos.
I think that just leaves the sane amongst us on this forum to step in.
(31 Mar 2024, 12:31 pm)Andreos1 The challenge with that, is getting the people in to replace them? Who do you get?
The 'professionals' currently working within the main operators aren't exactly showing the skillset required. I'd certainly not have any confidence in them suddenly turning around years of incompetence and decision making that sees years on years of failing numbers, to then turn it on under a different employer/provision.
There's the queries around the competence of those in Nexus and the various transport quangos.
I think that just leaves the sane amongst us on this forum to step in.
(31 Mar 2024, 12:31 pm)Andreos1 The challenge with that, is getting the people in to replace them? Who do you get?
The 'professionals' currently working within the main operators aren't exactly showing the skillset required. I'd certainly not have any confidence in them suddenly turning around years of incompetence and decision making that sees years on years of failing numbers, to then turn it on under a different employer/provision.
There's the queries around the competence of those in Nexus and the various transport quangos.
I think that just leaves the sane amongst us on this forum to step in.
(31 Mar 2024, 1:06 pm)Storx Personally I think it's a right minefield and they shouldn't do it. They keep comparing to the likes of Manchester and TFL but neither are comparable as they're completely urban networks.
It's all easy to do routes like the 39/40 and 62/63 in Newcastle. It's not so easy to do the likes of Middleton on Tees to Barnard Castle.
The area is way too big for franchising imo. Not to mention who wants a big block of routes based at places like that. Like just looking at Northumberland other than Arriva are Ashington there's no real major depot anywhere North of the place.
Those type of routes would only run well under a completely public network imo.
Added: Also to add where's this money going to come from considering GNE and Arriva are both making losses currently and they're not going to be taking on massive contracts to make 50p and a fag packet.
(31 Mar 2024, 12:31 pm)Andreos1 The challenge with that, is getting the people in to replace them? Who do you get?
The 'professionals' currently working within the main operators aren't exactly showing the skillset required. I'd certainly not have any confidence in them suddenly turning around years of incompetence and decision making that sees years on years of failing numbers, to then turn it on under a different employer/provision.
There's the queries around the competence of those in Nexus and the various transport quangos.
I think that just leaves the sane amongst us on this forum to step in.
(31 Mar 2024, 1:06 pm)Storx Personally I think it's a right minefield and they shouldn't do it. They keep comparing to the likes of Manchester and TFL but neither are comparable as they're completely urban networks.
It's all easy to do routes like the 39/40 and 62/63 in Newcastle. It's not so easy to do the likes of Middleton on Tees to Barnard Castle.
The area is way too big for franchising imo. Not to mention who wants a big block of routes based at places like that. Like just looking at Northumberland other than Arriva are Ashington there's no real major depot anywhere North of the place.
Those type of routes would only run well under a completely public network imo.
Added: Also to add where's this money going to come from considering GNE and Arriva are both making losses currently and they're not going to be taking on massive contracts to make 50p and a fag packet.
(31 Mar 2024, 2:08 pm)Adrian I agree with you about the comparisons to Manchester. I don't think there's another network similar to what ours would cover, servicing three Cities, within five Metropolitan boroughs and two rural counties. It's not going to be easy, but doing nothing is a non-starter. The majority of the commercial networks are on life support right now, and if we do nothing, there will be nothing.
A completely public network would be my preference, and hopefully that'll be something that can be aspired to, if Labour keep their promise of scrapping the ban on municipal operators, but I don't think it's impossible for a public-private partnership to work in the interim. It does need almost a blank canvas approach though.
The funding comes from the devolution deal, and depending which candidate you talk to, there's various ideas about drawing in additional funding.
(31 Mar 2024, 2:08 pm)Adrian I agree with you about the comparisons to Manchester. I don't think there's another network similar to what ours would cover, servicing three Cities, within five Metropolitan boroughs and two rural counties. It's not going to be easy, but doing nothing is a non-starter. The majority of the commercial networks are on life support right now, and if we do nothing, there will be nothing.
A completely public network would be my preference, and hopefully that'll be something that can be aspired to, if Labour keep their promise of scrapping the ban on municipal operators, but I don't think it's impossible for a public-private partnership to work in the interim. It does need almost a blank canvas approach though.
The funding comes from the devolution deal, and depending which candidate you talk to, there's various ideas about drawing in additional funding.
