(31 Jan 2022, 5:09 pm)cbma06 wrote “On our website, you can download the source data that we use in our digital services.

'Open data' is data that has been made available to the public, for personal, educational or commercial use.

Open data has been shown to stimulate innovation and economic growth. As a forward thinking company we understand the vital role the transport network plays in our community, now and in the future.

The data on the portal is updated automatically when we update our digital services, for example when we make a change to our timetables or network. Downloads are currently available as either .CSV or .XML files.”


Does anyone know what programme that can be used to open the documents after there been downloaded?




https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/opendata


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(31 Jan 2022, 5:09 pm)cbma06 wrote “On our website, you can download the source data that we use in our digital services.

'Open data' is data that has been made available to the public, for personal, educational or commercial use.

Open data has been shown to stimulate innovation and economic growth. As a forward thinking company we understand the vital role the transport network plays in our community, now and in the future.

The data on the portal is updated automatically when we update our digital services, for example when we make a change to our timetables or network. Downloads are currently available as either .CSV or .XML files.”


Does anyone know what programme that can be used to open the documents after there been downloaded?




https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/opendata


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(31 Jan 2022, 7:53 pm)DeltaMan wrote If you can find a copy of TransXChange 2.4 in the depths of the internet you can "publish" the TransXChange timetable files in to pdf format. Its how some operators use EBSR

(04 Feb 2022, 10:11 am)Storx wrote For anyone interested in this stuff here's the live updated links for fares for GoNorthEast and Arriva Northumbria aswell:

GNE - https://data.bus-data.dft.gov.uk/fares/dataset/6361/download
Arriva Northumbria - https://data.bus-data.dft.gov.uk/fares/dataset/5572/download

It's not usable without it being coded into a nice view though. The fares data should be easy enough to do though if you could be bothered.

(04 Feb 2022, 11:24 am)Adrian wrote I wonder why the operators don't develop this into their own websites? It shouldn't take a third party to present fare information to their customers.

(04 Feb 2022, 11:29 am)Ambassador wrote Cynical hat on - they only want to present the 'value' and marketable tickets to Customers. Not the poorer value one off tickets that won't attract Customers.

(04 Feb 2022, 11:24 am)Adrian wrote I wonder why the operators don't develop this into their own websites? It shouldn't take a third party to present fare information to their customers.

(04 Feb 2022, 2:32 pm)Storx wrote The cynic in me is because some things are better not known. It's weird as they've actually got the code to create tables aswell.

Just generated one for the 57A (Arriva) and some things are probably better not known. £6.10 for a single from Ashington to North Shields ouch.

https://easyupload.io/wx4725 - 57A Fares Table.

(04 Feb 2022, 4:49 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Would be interesting to see how the X15/X18 costs in singles...

(04 Feb 2022, 2:32 pm)Storx wrote The cynic in me is because some things are better not known. It's weird as they've actually got the code to create tables aswell.

Just generated one for the 57A (Arriva) and some things are probably better not known. £6.10 for a single from Ashington to North Shields ouch.

https://easyupload.io/wx4725 - 57A Fares Table.

(04 Feb 2022, 5:29 pm)Thomas12 wrote That's pretty ridiculous considering the 19 is only £1.70.

(04 Feb 2022, 5:47 pm)Storx wrote Stupid isn't it, mind the 19 wasn't exactly the best value either before those fares came in. That's the 19 fares there - https://we.tl/t-D9Jn19q1ou some horrid short fares. £3.10 from Seaton Delaval to Earsdon for example. It's £1.90 to £2.80 depending where you get on with the 57/57A.

(05 Feb 2022, 12:05 am)Ambassador wrote £3.00 from Ouston to Birtley?! Jesus wept.

How on earth do they justify Birtley Newcastle Bank to Newcastle being £3.10 but a 5 minute walk to the Angel costing just £2.30…bizarrely…if you travelled 3.3 miles down Durham Road to the Swallow Hotel you pay £2.30 to Newcastle.

No wonder absolutely nobody who can has a choice avoids a bus like the plague, it’s utterly horrendous value for the basic leisure user. Get an Uber.

(05 Feb 2022, 1:31 am)Thomas12 wrote It's £1.60 for a single or £3.00 for a return. I'd say that's pretty fair, right?

(05 Feb 2022, 12:05 am)Ambassador wrote £3.00 from Ouston to Birtley?! Jesus wept.

How on earth do they justify Birtley Newcastle Bank to Newcastle being £3.10 but a 5 minute walk to the Angel costing just £2.30…bizarrely…if you travelled 3.3 miles down Durham Road to the Swallow Hotel you pay £2.30 to Newcastle.

No wonder absolutely nobody who can has a choice avoids a bus like the plague, it’s utterly horrendous value for the basic leisure user. Get an Uber.

(05 Feb 2022, 12:05 am)Ambassador wrote £3.00 from Ouston to Birtley?! Jesus wept.

How on earth do they justify Birtley Newcastle Bank to Newcastle being £3.10 but a 5 minute walk to the Angel costing just £2.30…bizarrely…if you travelled 3.3 miles down Durham Road to the Swallow Hotel you pay £2.30 to Newcastle.

No wonder absolutely nobody who can has a choice avoids a bus like the plague, it’s utterly horrendous value for the basic leisure user. Get an Uber.

(05 Feb 2022, 8:16 am)Andreos1 wrote They've effectively capped the fares now. So it's not that. 

Obviously realised the ridiculous fares were putting people off, so decided to do something about it.
Possibly too late, but we will never know.

(05 Feb 2022, 8:06 am)Storx wrote I know it's reduced now but it's 'boundary tax'. Most routes that goes over the Tyne and Wear / Northumberland or Durham boundary jumps stupidly. It's the same up with Arriva aswell. I believe it's £1.90 from Newcastle to Gosforth Park, want to go to Seaton Burn Roundabout it's £3.80 for example.

I believe it's because of transfares as it effectively caps how much they can charge. Note the two jumps you mentioned there are the Z1/Z2 and Z2/Z3 boundaries aswell btw. Once you cross a boundary they go out the window so they just charge whatever.

https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/files/Transfare%20map%20Jan%202008.pdf

(05 Feb 2022, 8:32 am)busmanT wrote but can they actually afford to cap the fares?
that gives many existing passengers an immediate fare reduction, but it takes a long while to attract new passengers.

Will the reduced fares income be sufficient to cover the cost of running the service? 
or will cheaper fares result in the loss of the service?

(05 Feb 2022, 8:33 am)Andreos1 wrote Lumley Castle have a similar sort of tax for the 71 too.
Yet GNE wonder why it always struggles

(04 Feb 2022, 2:32 pm)Storx wrote The cynic in me is because some things are better not known. It's weird as they've actually got the code to create tables aswell.

Just generated one for the 57A (Arriva) and some things are probably better not known. £6.10 for a single from Ashington to North Shields ouch.

https://easyupload.io/wx4725 - 57A Fares Table.

(05 Feb 2022, 10:50 am)busmanT wrote Thanks - interesting that the Arriva tables are a square rather than the normal triangle.

I presume you need expert computer knowledge to generate a table like you have from the xml file - or is there an easy way?

(05 Feb 2022, 11:10 am)Storx wrote Oh btw I forgot to say I'm not sure what thread it was and I'm not hunting it down but the reason the app is always wrong is because the thresholds for going busy etc are way too high. For a 40 seat capacity bus I believe it's set at 52 and 64 or something like that atm. It's why it's always quiet.

(05 Feb 2022, 11:25 am)Dan wrote Drivers use the thresholds to determine how full the bus is.

A 74-seat double-deck bus which has 10 standees for example has the low occupancy threshold at 68 and the medium occupancy of 84. That means to the driver, their capacity turns from green to amber once they have around 10% of the vehicle's capacity remaining, and red once they're full and standing.

The thresholds aren't 'too high' - they are correct for the main purpose that Go North East use this data for. Passenger, who designed GNE's website and app, interpret the thresholds differently to how Go North East (and other operators) have been using this function on the ticket machines since it was implemented, in that they deem the low occupancy to be 'quiet', medium occupancy to be 'moderate' and high occupancy to be 'busy'. The definitions for which are 'there are plenty of seats available', 'you may need to sit next to someone' and 'the vehicle is nearly full'. Unfortunately they haven't been able to configure this differently for operators using the capacity function in this way - it's why Go North East and other operators stopped openly promoting this tool.

(05 Feb 2022, 11:34 am)Storx wrote Yeah that's fair I had a feeling it was for internal purposes. By the too high I meant in reference for the apps rather than it being outright wrong. 

I'm surprised they don't just do it by setting the thresholds at 10% / 20% and 30% (or whatever figures they want) of the seated capacity which I believe is there and base it off that. Seems easy enough to implement.

(05 Feb 2022, 11:39 am)Dan wrote It's easy enough to implement, yes, but to get the app to function in this way, drivers would be seeing their capacity turn red at 30% of capacity. To them, that means they're full and shouldn't allow any more customers to board.

During the lockdown when buses were restricted to 50% of seated capacity for example, this was how it was calculated - but again the red would be at 50% of seated capacity, and the amber at around 40%.