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Redcar depot - Bob5666 - 25 May 2023
Someone on here thinks it's OK to spread romers about redcar depo closing I can tell u that its definitely not closing down so for future please don't be putting fake gen up if u don't know what you are talking about
Thanks
RE: Redcar depot - tvd - 26 May 2023
Haven't heard that rumour, but common sense should suggest they aren't likely to close Redcar depot.
It's a relatively new depot, handy for most of their services and a newish town office by the clock. It's only the distance between the Redcar depot and Whitby which is not ideal, but that wouldn't be helped by a depot closure!
RE: Redcar depot - RobinHood - 26 May 2023
How long can Redcar last though? Isn't the PVR something like 35 when you remove Whitby? Surely, that is not high enough to cover the depot overheads.
I wouldnt be surprised if it eventually merged with Stockton, probably somewhere in the Middlesbrough area, as that was rumoured a few years ago.
Redcar depot - tyresmoke - 26 May 2023
(26 May 2023, 10:41 am)RobinHood wrote How long can Redcar last though? Isn't the PVR something like 35 when you remove Whitby? Surely, that is not high enough to cover the depot overheads.
I wouldnt be surprised if it eventually merged with Stockton, probably somewhere in the Middlesbrough area, as that was rumoured a few years ago.
Redcar’s current PVR is 40 in summer, 37 in winter. Soon be less of course with 3 being removed in July.
Whitby by comparison is 13 summer, 10 winter
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RE: Redcar depot - Ryland - 27 May 2023
4726 hasnt been out since end of april?
Any updates on 7405&6
RE: Redcar depot - Ryland - 27 May 2023
1459 from Yorkshire depot is now at redcar operating on the x4
Is the situation really bad as redcar are short on near enough everything.
Additional 2 solos than yhe 4 they already 5
2 deckers extra from northumbria
RE: Redcar depot - Unber43 - 27 May 2023
What services does Redcar and Whitby operate?
RE: Redcar depot - Ryland - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 4:47 pm)Unber43 wrote What services does Redcar and Whitby operate?Redcar
62, 63,64/64a- x3/x3a, 81, x4.
Whitby
P1/2 95,96 x93/4, x4
Redcar depot - Jimmi - 27 May 2023
7575 & 7576 made their debuts on service X94 today, although 7576 only did Middlesbrough to Whitby before being swapped for 7610 with 7576 seemingly being used for familiarisation / shuttling back and forth between the bus station and Whitby outstation.
7576 entering Middlesbrough this morning: https://flic.kr/p/2oDgqDh
RE: Redcar depot - Bob5666 - 27 May 2023
1459Y as arrived at redcar from Wakefield depot
Redcar depot - tyresmoke - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 4:55 pm)Ryland wrote Redcar
62, 63,64/64a- x3/x3a, 81, x4.
Whitby
P1/2 95,96 x93/4, x4
Add to Redcar contracts MC2, MC3 and MC4
Add to Whitby contracts 318S and 323S
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RE: Redcar depot - Storx - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 4:38 pm)Ryland wrote 1459 from Yorkshire depot is now at redcar operating on the x4
Is the situation really bad as redcar are short on near enough everything.
Additional 2 solos than yhe 4 they already 5
2 deckers extra from northumbria
Did they actually have much of a PVR reduction since pre Covid?
As far as I'm aware things are largely the same however about 3/4 Pulsars headed North to Ashington which were never replaced. Relying on 18 year old B7's is never a good idea either for one of the hardest routes in the North East.
The Solo's are just shot to bits, Ashington have 6 to operate a PVR of 4 again, assume 2830 has gone up to help release one of the Decker's, no doubt a full size bus will still be on again in a few days time. They all badly need to go.
Redcar depot - tyresmoke - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 4:38 pm)Ryland wrote 1459 from Yorkshire depot is now at redcar operating on the x4
Is the situation really bad as redcar are short on near enough everything.
Additional 2 solos than yhe 4 they already 5
2 deckers extra from northumbria
The 2 deckers aren’t additional as Pulsars 1433/39 have gone the other way. Additional capacity wise but no extra vehicles.
I would expect further loans to turn up though, things are in a bad way should we say at Redcar and Whitby
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RE: Redcar depot - Jimmi - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 8:15 pm)Storx wrote Did they actually have much of a PVR reduction since pre Covid?
As far as I'm aware things are largely the same however about 3/4 Pulsars headed North to Ashington which were never replaced. Relying on 18 year old B7's is never a good idea either for one of the hardest routes in the North East.
The Solo's are just shot to bits, Ashington have 6 to operate a PVR of 4 again, assume 2830 has gone up to help release one of the Decker's, no doubt a full size bus will still be on again in a few days time. They all badly need to go.
I had a ride on 2866 on the 81 from Redcar to Guisborough this afternoon and my god it was gutless, really struggled with the hills on that route, probs why it almost half an hour late!
(27 May 2023, 8:17 pm)tyresmoke wrote The 2 deckers aren’t additional as Pulsars 1433/39 have gone the other way. Additional capacity wise but no extra vehicles.
I would expect further loans to turn up though, things are in a bad way should we say at Redcar and Whitby
Even with 7575/76 today, they still struggled with single decks including 4704, 1435 & 1572 appearing on the X93, with 1564 later finding its way onto the X94 (amongst all sorts of swapping of buses around).
RE: Redcar depot - Bob5666 - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 8:45 pm)Jimmi wrote I had a ride on 2866 on the 81 from Redcar to Guisborough this afternoon and my god it was gutless, really struggled with the hills on that route, probs why it almost half an hour late!
Even with 7575/76 today, they still struggled with single decks including 4704, 1435 & 1572 appearing on the X93, with 1564 later finding its way onto the X94 (amongst all sorts of swapping of buses around).
4704 broke down I got told out side whitby on its way back from Guisbrough
RE: Redcar depot - Storx - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 8:45 pm)Jimmi wrote I had a ride on 2866 on the 81 from Redcar to Guisborough this afternoon and my god it was gutless, really struggled with the hills on that route, probs why it almost half an hour late!
Not surprised one bit, the ones up here aren't much better. I really don't know who thought it was a good idea to put buses that were struggling on town work / in Durham on suburban work or with the case with Whitby and Redcar rural work.
Not sure what will get rid of them though mind unless they upgrade routes to full size buses in particular in Durham and Ashington. No doubt they'll just bury they heads in sand though and pretend nothing is wrong.
Redcar depot - tyresmoke - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 8:45 pm)Jimmi wrote I had a ride on 2866 on the 81 from Redcar to Guisborough this afternoon and my god it was gutless, really struggled with the hills on that route, probs why it almost half an hour late!
Even with 7575/76 today, they still struggled with single decks including 4704, 1435 & 1572 appearing on the X93, with 1564 later finding its way onto the X94 (amongst all sorts of swapping of buses around).
Yep and that was with 2 63s, a 62 and at least one X4 missing, which given the reduced Saturday output tells you how bad things are at Redcar…
1435 was on the P2b board which is spare after about half 10 and inevitably gets used most days. 4704 ended up being dragged back home, presumably X93s was a step too far for it
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RE: Redcar depot - Unber43 - 27 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 10:00 pm)tyresmoke wrote Yep and that was with 2 63s, a 62 and at least one X4 missing, which given the reduced Saturday output tells you how bad things are at Redcar…Wait so with them all missing were the drivers just standing around getting paid with nothing todo, it seems dire
1435 was on the P2b board which is spare after about half 10 and inevitably gets used most days. 4704 ended up being dragged back home, presumably X93s was a step too far for it
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Redcar depot - tyresmoke - 28 May 2023
(27 May 2023, 10:42 pm)Unber43 wrote Wait so with them all missing were the drivers just standing around getting paid with nothing todo, it seems dire
It’s an every day occurrence at Redcar
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RE: Redcar depot - Ryland - 28 May 2023
Thouvh 4704 broke down yesterday its back out today on the x4
RE: Redcar depot - omnicity4659 - 29 May 2023
was a broken down B9 on the moors yesterday evening too.
RE: Redcar depot - Ryland - 29 May 2023
(29 May 2023, 10:15 pm)omnicity4659 wrote was a broken down B9 on the moors yesterday evening too.May have been 7402 as that stopped tracking around lunch time yesterday
RE: Redcar depot - Bob5666 - 30 May 2023
omnicity4659was a broken down B9 on the moors yesterday evening too.
Correct indeed it was 7402 as I past it on the way to whitby
RE: Redcar depot - tvd - 30 May 2023
Does seem bad management to end up so short of buses at Redcar, when only last year Darlington got a load of new minibuses to release most of their Solos.
Surely a few of those displaced Solos, the half decent ones, could've been kept for spares?
Maybe I'm missing something and its not quite so simple, but having lots of services not run and drivers with no buses is a pretty bad situation.
RE: Redcar depot - Unber43 - 30 May 2023
I think they would struggle/ too small for Redcar
RE: Redcar depot - Kuyoyo - 30 May 2023
(30 May 2023, 8:55 am)Unber43 wrote I think they would struggle/ too small for Redcar
Solos would be perfect for the 81 now - certainly capacity wise. Plus it doesn't stop them using them on 63s, or 62s or X4s or even X93s.........
Redcar depot - tyresmoke - 30 May 2023
Anything would help to fill gaps… here is todays output this morning…
Redcar Output 30/05/23
62 - (5/6) - 2866, 2871, 4715, 4721, 4722,
63 - (10/13) - 1430, 1459Y, 1561, 1565, 1570, 4700, 4709, 4711, 4717, 4725
64/X3 - (9/11) - 1435*, 1563, 1564, 4703, 4706, 4712, 4716, 4718, 4719
81 - (2/2) - 1569, 4724
95 - (1/1) - 2870
96 - (1/1)- 2862
P1 - (1/1)- 7610
P2 - (1/1) - 7575
X4 - (8/8) - 1436, 1437, 1440, 1562, 1567, 1568, 1571, 4704
X93 - (5/5) - 1572, 7403, 7404, 7576, 7609
X94 - (3/3) - 1566, 7401, 7402
Extra X93 - (1/1) - 2869
* - 1435 looks to have broken by 8am, not replaced
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RE: Redcar depot - Storx - 30 May 2023
(30 May 2023, 8:52 am)tvd wrote Does seem bad management to end up so short of buses at Redcar, when only last year Darlington got a load of new minibuses to release most of their Solos.
Surely a few of those displaced Solos, the half decent ones, could've been kept for spares?
Maybe I'm missing something and its not quite so simple, but having lots of services not run and drivers with no buses is a pretty bad situation.
The 07 Plate Omnicity's would've been better than Solo's. The Solo's are shot and need send to the scrap yard asap.
RE: Redcar depot - PH - BQA - 30 May 2023
(30 May 2023, 9:08 am)tyresmoke wrote Anything would help to fill gaps… here is todays output this morning…
Redcar Output 30/05/23
62 - (5/6) - 2866, 2871, 4715, 4721, 4722,
63 - (10/13) - 1430, 1459Y, 1561, 1565, 1570, 4700, 4709, 4711, 4717, 4725
64/X3 - (9/11) - 1435*, 1563, 1564, 4703, 4706, 4712, 4716, 4718, 4719
81 - (2/2) - 1569, 4724
95 - (1/1) - 2870
96 - (1/1)- 2862
P1 - (1/1)- 7610
P2 - (1/1) - 7575
X4 - (8/8) - 1436, 1437, 1440, 1562, 1567, 1568, 1571, 4704
X93 - (5/5) - 1572, 7403, 7404, 7576, 7609
X94 - (3/3) - 1566, 7401, 7402
Extra X93 - (1/1) - 2869
* - 1435 looks to have broken by 8am, not replaced
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Not dissimilar to how Ashington was performing prior to the arrival of the 72 plates.
The 2 damaged B9s look to be badly missed, imagine there's been delays in getting them fixed? From what I've heard 7555 was due back from fire damage at least a couple of months ago, and still isn't back so it's possibly similar here.
Even an extra 2-3 vehicles seem like they'd go a long way to fix the issues. That said, it seems mental that they've just got 2 shiny MMCs that have been bulletproof for Ashington and are using one of them daily on the P1. Before the "but the X93 is hilly" comments come in, I was on 7575 the other week and it overtook a Solo comfortably up Whorral Bank out of Morpeth.
The whole situation screams of poor local management.
RE: Redcar depot - RobinHood - 30 May 2023
(30 May 2023, 12:16 pm)mb134 wrote That said, it seems mental that they've just got 2 shiny MMCs that have been bulletproof for Ashington and are using one of them daily on the P1. Before the "but the X93 is hilly" comments come in, I was on 7575 the other week and it overtook a Solo comfortably up Whorral Bank out of Morpeth.Absolutely the opposite to be honest. It's good management when you understand why they are doing this.
The whole situation screams of poor local management.
The MMCs are a new vehicle type to Redcar and as a result, they will not put them into the X93 until all drivers who need to be, have been vehicle familiarised. Which, is a key part of risk management and may not be immediately apparent.