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Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Adrian - 17 Feb 2025 Seeing as this now appears to have well and truly developed legs, I've created a new thread to discuss the ongoing potential of Industrial Action at Go North East. Chronicle Report: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/go-north-east-buses-facing-31022860 Go North East buses facing strike vote in row on safety and treatment of staff Union Unite has issued a strongly-worded statement after a number of rows between staff and management at Go North East, which has depots in Tyneside, Northumberland and County Durham Who writes these comments for the company? "Recently, we introduced safety briefings for drivers to reinforce best practices, for example to ensure that double deck buses are not driven on routes with low bridges in case it leads to bridge strikes" - I'd say it's little more than best practice to avoid hitting a bridge! RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - F114TML - 17 Feb 2025 Completely unrealted - is that 'wor Dan' in the picture? RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Adrian - 17 Feb 2025 Unite's press release: https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2025/february/go-north-east-workers-consulted-for-strike-action-amid-reign-of-terror-by-management Go North East workers consulted for strike action amid reign of terror by management Staff threatened with dismissal on spurious grounds. Safety of drivers and passengers in danger. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - BusLoverMum - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 3:41 pm)Adrian wrote Seeing as this now appears to have well and truly developed legs, I've created a new thread to discuss the ongoing potential of Industrial Action at Go North East. In other safety briefings, drivers were told not to crash their bus or drive off cliffs. A session on looking out for falling anvils is in the pipeline. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Adrian - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 4:39 pm)BusLoverMum wrote In other safety briefings, drivers were told not to crash their bus or drive off cliffs. A session on looking out for falling anvils is in the pipeline. Office workers advised that best practice is to not lick your fingers and stick them into live plug sockets. I keep saying this company is ran by children, yet almost everything they put out reinforces that point. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - V514DFT - 17 Feb 2025 Ding ding Round 2 RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - idiot - 17 Feb 2025 Pleased I drive now and only rely on the bus when I want a beer. It was because of the last strike (although I passed my test a number of years ago) I purchased a car. Before this Covid I had a van but literally used it for my business and not commuting. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Ambassador - 17 Feb 2025 A sacrificial lamb is required from GNE it feels. Perhaps Nigel might be more hands on since franchising is done and dusted down there and I’m sure Kim will be sending lots of empty emails RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - DeltaMan - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 3:41 pm)Adrian wrote Seeing as this now appears to have well and truly developed legs, I've created a new thread to discuss the ongoing potential of Industrial Action at Go North East. I've been on a GNE double decker bus where the driver blatantly ignored the in-cab warnings of a low bridge and was literally one left turn from hitting a bridge. Maybe something like that RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - omnicity4659 - 17 Feb 2025 Bridge strike comments by the company are a distraction - unrelated to the issues being discussed by the unions and members. Focus on what the company are trying to avoid. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - F114TML - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 6:07 pm)DeltaMan wrote I've been on a GNE double decker bus where the driver blatantly ignored the in-cab warnings of a low bridge and was literally one left turn from hitting a bridge. Maybe something like that Was it following the bus route or off route? Ours often goes off for bridges on side streets you'd never get a bus down anyway, or low bridges on route that you can fit under (such as the Wearmouth and Tyne bridges), so it's little surprise drivers just end up blanking it out. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - DeltaMan - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 6:26 pm)F114TML wrote Was it following the bus route or off route? Off route RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - L469 YVK - 17 Feb 2025 Only saving grace GNE have are routes (56, 307/309) that could run using StreetDecks and less leggy B9TLs without any external history to cascade! RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - BusLoverMum - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 6:17 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Bridge strike comments by the company are a distraction - unrelated to the issues being discussed by the unions and members. We are, which is why we’re taking the piss. The bridge strike press release is very much an “oh look, a squirrel!” distraction. On which note, not looking at squirrels while you’re hurtling up the A167 at 40mph is part of the advanced safety course. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - PH - BQA - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 3:41 pm)Adrian wrote Seeing as this now appears to have well and truly developed legs, I've created a new thread to discuss the ongoing potential of Industrial Action at Go North East. I began to read the news articles on this as I made my journey home tonight, and the more I took in the more I found myself staggered that Go North East have fallen to this point. I sat on a relatively new, pleasant, Stagecoach Enviro 400 MMC in Eldon Square as I opened the BBC News article, while parked two stands along was Go North East's 6970. A bus which is unable to serve disabled passengers in bus stations. A bus which, at nearly 17 years of age, is working on the flagship route of the company which regularly boasts iitself as being the largest bus operator in the region. A bus which has the interior ambience of a ghetto. A bus which perfectly encapsulates the current mentality of the company, and those running it. Nigel Featham does not care for the front line employees of any company he has presided over. He does not care for the public who pay his rather hefty wage. He is a mercenary, with no interest other than lining the pockets of himself and those who facilitate his games. The more that this mess continues, however, it is also clear that those at GAG who have the power to fix the poisonous culture, which has grown inside GNE like an aggressive tumour, have no intention of doing so. The threat of a second strike in less than two years looms, and the management team responsible are all still in place. No lessons have been learnt. The specific issue here seems to stem from two key areas, staff morale and fleet age. Staff morale will take a large amount of time to repair, and it is evidently incredibly low at present. Fleet age is equally ominous, there has been no new vehicle purchased for 5 years outside of the 9 purchased with public money and there is no sign that this is about to change. There is no plan here, only mismanaged decline. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - V514DFT - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 6:28 pm)DeltaMan wrote Off route Wasn't there an incident a few year back where a 9 terminated short at Percy Main (think it was the last one of the evening), the driver headed for the depot forgetting he was in a DD and well I'm sure you can guess the rest RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - omnicity4659 - 17 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 9:47 pm)PH - BQA wrote I began to read the news articles on this as I made my journey home tonight, and the more I took in the more I found myself staggered that Go North East have fallen to this point. For an organisation that predominantly serves the North East of England, where between 12-17% of the population claim disability-related benefits (which is amongst the highest in the country, and that does not account for the many disabled people who do not claim benefits), the continued discrimination against disabled passengers and staff is simply unacceptable. The attitude that GNE appear to be presenting is nothing short of ableist. The evidence is all linked in blue and red. But they get away with it. One of the North East's largest businesses are not being held to account by the media and local authorities, making an absolute mockery of decades of progress in equality and accessibility. What is Kim McGuinness and Martin Gannon going to do about this? Surely there is something that can be done? Or are the weak excuses, blaming everything and everyone else just going to continue? What is it going to take for the local authorities to apply pressure onto Go-Ahead, to get this sorted out? RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Michael - 17 Feb 2025 "Put tape over red warning lights" https://x.com/jimscottjourno/status/1891582909292618092?t=3_4TKz6SDi7l2CT0-ljghA&s=19 Seriously something needs to be done before someone gets hurt or killed. Company is ran by clowns. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - L469 YVK - 18 Feb 2025 I think the only way GNE will get sorted, is if NECA purchsed the entire GNE operation and ran it as an arms length company until franchising. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - MurdnunoC - 18 Feb 2025 (18 Feb 2025, 7:05 am)L469 YVK wrote I think the only way GNE will get sorted, is if NECA purchsed the entire GNE operation and ran it as an arms length company until franchising. Wow! If there was a like button I'd hit it. I think this is first post you've composed which doesn't mention the Coast Road; suggests numerous changes to timings or routes of bus services (including introducing new ones); or reallocates buses from one depot (usually Consett) to another claiming that it would somehow increase reliability. I'm impressed. Keep it up!! RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - morritt89 - 18 Feb 2025 As a former driver, I can't say I'm too surprised that things have deteriorated to this level. When I did my school run, VOSA and Durham Council were regularly at the school. Council checking badges and licenses and VOSA checking vehicles and licences. I was advised, I won't say who (but they weren'tqualified engerneering staff) , told me that if my vehicle had defects not too enter the school grounds, drop the kids off and leave so the vehicle wouldn't get checked. I would like to point out that I always went into the school. Another incident, I broke down on a live dual carriageway (50mph), had to ring the police as I was a hazard and for them to partially close the lane and I got 'warned' about doing that in the future from management as the police asked the engineers why this happened and why they took so long to respond. How many engineers (and yardmen) got sent? 9..... RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - xpm - 18 Feb 2025 I suspect the reference to cctv is in regard to cameras not working or not switching to stair view when the entrance doors are opening double deck vehicles. It was a constant battle between drivers and engineering to get these addressed, with engineering classing this as acceptable, and drivers not. Because unless your daft you make sure people are off the stairs before you pull away, if you don’t have the camera view then it’s guesswork, and if someone falls then you’ll get hauled over the coals for it and a responsible. You’ll also get management arguing with you that it isn’t a defect that prevents a bus for going out in service, but they’ll pull you in for tea and biccies and hold you responsible if anything happens. Some drivers would even go as far to take the bus but tape off access to the stairs, and I suspect this is where the contention comes in. CCTV defects unless you were at a main depot rarely got addressed in an adequate timescale simply because staff that could exchange hard drives weren’t based there, and the rest of the system was maintained by external contractors for the most part. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - BusLoverMum - 18 Feb 2025 Reading some of this stuff, if anyone was injured there would be strong grounds for a claim for criminal negligence and my money would be on management shifting the blame to the driver for ignoring the red warning light/ smoke coming from the engine bay /faulty wing mirror or whatever. Do VOSA do spot inspections of passenger carrying fleets? RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - xpm - 18 Feb 2025 (18 Feb 2025, 8:59 am)BusLoverMum wrote Reading some of this stuff, if anyone was injured there would be strong grounds for a claim for criminal negligence and my money would be on management shifting the blame to the driver for ignoring the red warning light/ smoke coming from the engine bay /faulty wing mirror or whatever. Usually targeted inspections based on informed intelligence or concerns reported. The other thing I thought of is I wonder whether they are now proactively looking for incidents from driver cam to beat staff up over to cover their own incompetence. There was a previous union agreement that driver cam would only be used in response to a reported incident or accident, if they’re now using every single time they’re activated, whether manual or automatic it’s just another tool to beat the workforce down with, which was the concern when it was first introduced and why the agreement was put in place. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - streetdeckfan - 18 Feb 2025 (17 Feb 2025, 5:56 pm)idiot wrote Pleased I drive now and only rely on the bus when I want a beer. I ended up finally taking my test last year and buying a car, must be a good 6 months since I travelled by bus now. As much as I love the ability to work whilst on the bus, not having to rely on the shambles that is now GNE makes life far easier. In the last 6 months, I've put over 8k miles on the car. I haven't been late for anything, I haven't had to deal with the riff raff reeking of weed, crackheads blabbering away to themselves in the corner, or alcoholics stealing my coffee cup to have a 'glass' of lambrini! RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - L469 YVK - 18 Feb 2025 (18 Feb 2025, 7:11 am)MurdnunoC wrote Wow! I still standby my opinion on the E400MMC allocations but that's kinda another debate ![]() If the CMA didn't allow NECA to run the existing operations fully as an arms length company, could they not take a 49% stake with maybe another bus operator (i.e Metroline) taking the other 51%? RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Adrian - 18 Feb 2025 (18 Feb 2025, 12:10 pm)L469 YVK wrote I still standby my opinion on the E400MMC allocations but that's kinda another debate Not really relevant to this thread, but as a point of clarity, it's not the CMA that's stopping them. It's law, and predominantly section 22 of the Bus Services Act 2017. See here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2017/21/section/22 Part of the Bus Services (No. 2) Bill, which is making it's way through the Lords at the moment, would omit this if it becomes law. It'd also tidy up older legislation that outlaws this from happening at present. See: https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3910 RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Adrian - 18 Feb 2025 "Bus drivers say they had 'no choice' but to resign" BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5g571p8wzo Bus drivers who raised concerns over safety said they resigned because "they felt they had no choice" and were "worried" for the welfare of passengers. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - BusLoverMum - 18 Feb 2025 "If I was driving down the road and a red light came on, I would contact control and they say 'yeah we know about it, just continue” I’m guessing this contact would be verbal, as well a not recorded and kept.It would be a shame for GNE if this had happened by some written means that could be used as evidence. RE: Go North East - 2025 Potential Industrial Action - Adrian - 18 Feb 2025 (18 Feb 2025, 5:48 pm)BusLoverMum wrote I’m guessing this contact would be verbal, as well a not recorded and kept.It would be a shame for GNE if this had happened by some written means that could be used as evidence. You'd like to think there'd be a control log kept, but it's the sort of thing I'd imagine goes missing quickly, if there was an investigation and blame waiting to be assigned. I think irrespective, my understanding is that the bus remains the driver's responsibility whilst it's in service. So whilst control or engineering can advise, the ultimate call should remain down to the driver. Maybe I'm wrong though? |