(25 Jun 2017, 1:26 pm)Brian13 wrote Could anyone tell me the PVR of the 35,36,39 and 61 please

(25 Jun 2017, 10:52 am)Michael wrote Surprised 4937 hasn't been withdrawn from Deptford yet.

What will 5206 replace at Chester?, as i would imagine 5207 has replaced 4945, then the next oldest is the Waggonway Scania's.

8326 and 8327 should be the only 2 Versa's at Deptford now... =D, where are they going?

(25 Jun 2017, 2:58 pm)peter wrote Was 4934 ever replaced? Can only think of maybe 8325 but would assume that the number of spare vehicles would have increased with the transfer of the 36.

(25 Jun 2017, 1:45 pm)Michael wrote 35 - 8 PVR
36 - 6 PVR
39 - 7 PVR
61 - 5 PVR

(25 Jun 2017, 9:55 am)Dan wrote 8307 and 8309 are currently at Saltmeadows being repainted into fleet livery. Should go straight to Riverside after completion of repaint. 8308 will follow, but is currently undergoing preparation for PSV test, which is to be undertaken next Thursday.

8328 has also transferred to Riverside, providing them with an additional spare vehicle for Quaylink and Citylink, to the same specification as the branded Optare Versa.

5207 has also transferred to Chester-le-Street. 5206 also due to transfer, but is currently undergoing PSV prep, like 8308.

(25 Jun 2017, 3:42 pm)cbma06 wrote Would of thought that some versas will go to Chester to replace the older versas which are in use on service 34, then the older versas in corporate livery for 67/69 service?.


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(25 Jun 2017, 4:27 pm)Kuyoyo wrote After 8306-9 go to Riverside (and of course, 8328 is back there as well now), it leaves just 8326/7 - so plainly not enough to replace 8302-5 on the 34.

(25 Jun 2017, 3:12 pm)EL1TE wrote 5204 will be taking its place on the DU2 service, as that vehicle has been fitted with 4934's wifi.

(25 Jun 2017, 4:43 pm)Michael wrote I think 8326 will go Chester as another spare, 8327 to Riverside as a spare.

(25 Jun 2017, 4:50 pm)citaro5284 wrote I think you will be right there Michael - you got some insider info haha 

(25 Jun 2017, 10:52 am)Michael wrote Surprised 4937 hasn't been withdrawn from Deptford yet.

What will 5206 replace at Chester?, as i would imagine 5207 has replaced 4945, then the next oldest is the Waggonway Scania's.

8326 and 8327 should be the only 2 Versa's at Deptford now... =D, where are they going?

(25 Jun 2017, 4:49 pm)peter wrote I was talking more in terms of the number of vehicles rather than the services. 5204 has taken 4934's place as being able to operate the DU2 but I am unsure if the vehicle itself was replaced. The point I was trying to make is that unless another vehicle moved to Chester-le-Street to replace 4934, then 5206 and 5207 are probably replacing 4934 and 4945. Or perhaps maybe 5201 and 5202 as these have unusually not yet been repainted into the new livery, perhaps an indication of their departure from the fleet?

(25 Jun 2017, 5:26 pm)Dan wrote 4937 will be retained as a float vehicle for refurbishments - it is likely that some of the older Volvo B10BLE and Scania L94 presently used as float vehicles will be withdrawn now that younger vehicles are available. I believe there is interest from a buyer to preserve 4922.

5206 and 5207 will replace V-reg Volvo B7TL at Chester-le-Street - this relates to the conversion of the majority of boards on services 13/X25 from double-deck to single-deck earlier this year. Some boards remained as double-deck as they interworked with scholars services, whilst others remained as Volvo B7TL pending the availability of further Scania L94.


No, there has been a reduction of one spare vehicle at Chester-le-Street.

It is likely that there will be a further reduction of spare vehicles across the fleet, in line with the new financial year commencing, next month.

(25 Jun 2017, 5:26 pm)Dan wrote 4937 will be retained as a float vehicle for refurbishments - it is likely that some of the older Volvo B10BLE and Scania L94 presently used as float vehicles will be withdrawn now that younger vehicles are available. I believe there is interest from a buyer to preserve 4922.

5206 and 5207 will replace V-reg Volvo B7TL at Chester-le-Street - this relates to the conversion of the majority of boards on services 13/X25 from double-deck to single-deck earlier this year. Some boards remained as double-deck as they interworked with scholars services, whilst others remained as Volvo B7TL pending the availability of further Scania L94.

No, there has been a reduction of one spare vehicle at Chester-le-Street.

It is likely that there will be a further reduction of spare vehicles across the fleet, in line with the new financial year commencing, next month.

(25 Jun 2017, 6:19 pm)peter wrote Ah right...Was wondering about 4934 cause I thought I might have missed something - a spare reduction is that thing! Thanks for the info Dan!

(25 Jun 2017, 6:32 pm)Malarkey wrote A big thing when they reduce the frequency of services to "improve reliability" as they like to put it or simply withdraw services all together in order to withdraw older vehicles from active service.

(25 Jun 2017, 6:32 pm)Malarkey wrote A big thing when they reduce the frequency of services to "improve reliability" as they like to put it or simply withdraw services all together in order to withdraw older vehicles from active service.

(25 Jun 2017, 6:36 pm)Michael wrote Like the X3 and X36

(25 Jun 2017, 6:44 pm)Malarkey wrote Hmmm like 27 and 56 being reduced to operate every 12 minutes instead of every 10.

lets not forget the 27X either.

Maybe we should talk about the service reductions on the 23rd July while we are at it.

(25 Jun 2017, 6:32 pm)Malarkey wrote A big thing when they reduce the frequency of services to "improve reliability" as they like to put it or simply withdraw services all together in order to withdraw older vehicles from active service.

(25 Jun 2017, 6:52 pm)Andreos1 wrote A quick check of previous fleet sizes and depot allocations may add weight to your theory.

As may the merging of services.

(25 Jun 2017, 6:44 pm)Malarkey wrote Hmmm like 27 and 56 being reduced to operate every 12 minutes instead of every 10.

lets not forget the 27X either.

Maybe we should talk about the service reductions on the 23rd July while we are at it.

(25 Jun 2017, 7:03 pm)Dan wrote It's a case of 'use it, or lose it' - maybe we should talk about Stagecoach's service reductions which have taken place in Sunderland, South Shields and Newcastle recently, and are alluded to crop up again on Teesside in the near future?
 

(25 Jun 2017, 7:07 pm)cbma06 wrote Didn't work out on the previous cross city services with 29/39 and 26/36 which ended cutting the services at city centre, with one section on the route relaying on the other section clogged up


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(25 Jun 2017, 7:03 pm)Dan wrote There is no change to the overall PVR at Hexham. The only change is the transfer of the weekday operation of the 689 service from Stanley to Hexham - but this is a like-for-like swap, and just means that the MPD which would have otherwise been withdrawn next month (replaced by a full-size single-deck), will in fact remain in the fleet for a little longer. The changes here are largely offering better connections (X85 being extended to Newbrough), with services having more streamlined timetables.

(25 Jun 2017, 7:07 pm)Michael wrote We could but then we'll go off topic haha, i've heard the services which run every 10 minutes will be cut to every 12 minutes, and the 
18 will go which isn't a surprise.

(25 Jun 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan wrote To go back to Malarkey's original post - services having their frequency reduced from every 12 minutes to every 10, is hardly creating a massive impact.

If the cost of adding an additional bus into the cycle is not warranted (to increase layover and running times in a bid to improve reliability), then reducing the frequency by 2 minutes in order to create a more robust timetable, seems like a no-brainer. If reliability is poor, services won't be running on an even headway, so chances are they wouldn't be operating on a 10-minute frequency anyway.

(25 Jun 2017, 7:07 pm)Michael wrote Along with the upgrade of Citaro's on the X84/X85, if true.

(25 Jun 2017, 7:01 pm)Michael wrote It's worked out well having "Cross City Services" in Sunderland, the merging of the 2/2A and the 42 has worked out really well, so much they've bought new Streetlites for the route... Although that merge happened ages ago.

Merging the 36 and 71 is also another example which has worked.

Swapping the 20/20A and 35 between Sunderland and Shields is also working.

(25 Jun 2017, 7:03 pm)Dan wrote Not sure what the relevance of this is, when Peter was discussing Go North East making a business decision to remove a spare vehicle from its fleet?

It's a case of 'use it, or lose it' - maybe we should talk about Stagecoach's service reductions which have taken place in Sunderland, South Shields and Newcastle recently, and are alluded to crop up again on Teesside in the near future?

Go North East's service revisions next month won't have too much of an impact on overall PVRs, and in most cases, are actually quite positive. The changes in Washington aren't actually too drastic, and there's only a saving of one bus from the overall PVR I understand (which comes from the 86 being curtailed at Washington Galleries in lieu of operating to Barmston Court, which will instead be served by the revised 83 service on the same frequency as the current 86). Contrary to what you suggested when you first saw the registrations on VOSA, Go North East are not out to hit the single-ticket market. Through single/return tickets are still available as now, on the same routes, and this is highlighted on the timetable. Nobody is being forced to buy a day ticket.

There is no change to the overall PVR at Hexham. The only change is the transfer of the weekday operation of the 689 service from Stanley to Hexham - but this is a like-for-like swap, and just means that the MPD which would have otherwise been withdrawn next month (replaced by a full-size single-deck), will in fact remain in the fleet for a little longer. The changes here are largely offering better connections (X85 being extended to Newbrough), with services having more streamlined timetables.

The only real reduction in PVR is as a result of the X36 - but if it was used by enough people to cover the running costs, it wouldn't be withdrawn.

(25 Jun 2017, 5:26 pm)Dan wrote 4937 will be retained as a float vehicle for refurbishments - it is likely that some of the older Volvo B10BLE and Scania L94 presently used as float vehicles will be withdrawn now that younger vehicles are available. I believe there is interest from a buyer to preserve 4922.

5206 and 5207 will replace V-reg Volvo B7TL at Chester-le-Street - this relates to the conversion of the majority of boards on services 13/X25 from double-deck to single-deck earlier this year. Some boards remained as double-deck as they interworked with scholars services, whilst others remained as Volvo B7TL pending the availability of further Scania L94.


No, there has been a reduction of one spare vehicle at Chester-le-Street.

It is likely that there will be a further reduction of spare vehicles across the fleet, in line with the new financial year commencing, next month.

(25 Jun 2017, 9:27 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote Does this mean that the Saturday operation of the 689 will stay at Stanley?