(12 Mar 2022, 4:53 pm)Omega54 wrote For the washington thing, It would be best on Wessington Way, so they have access to the 1231 and A19.However it goes to the Staff Shuttle's for Sunderland would be a massive pain around rush hour. But I don't know how many drivers start at 5pm.

Not sure about the morning rush hour. Also for Artic Buses, there's no service where they could be used except to my knowledge the 56/58/X66.

(12 Mar 2022, 6:12 pm)Malarkey wrote Artic Buses were stipulated for the Park & Rides once they are up and running.

(12 Mar 2022, 6:12 pm)Malarkey wrote Artic Buses were stipulated for the Park & Rides once they are up and running.

(13 Mar 2022, 6:05 am)DaveFromUpNorth wrote Artic buses are bad for the environment wether they they are electric hybrid or not

Bus stop capacity bus station capacity eg difficult in most bus stations

And secondly they take 2.5 times of space on the road which if I remember rightly why Ken livingstone and Boris got rid of them in London due to length etc

It was worked out that a double decker bus was more efficient and effective

Only benefit to having a bendy bus is if you use it on a route with low bridges where a double decker couldn't be used but we have little issue of that on "core" routes in the North East

(13 Mar 2022, 6:24 am)streetdeckfan wrote I'd argue that the main benefits of a bendy bus are they're more accessible as there's no stairs to deal with, and they're quicker to empty as there can be an extra door in the back

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(13 Mar 2022, 7:10 am)Storx wrote The biggest problem with a bendy bus and a big reason their not used is they have massive ticket avoidance as people just sneak on the back door where the driver can't see / won't do anything. It was an issue on the 58 at times when I was on and a massive problem in London.

(13 Mar 2022, 7:45 am)MurdnunoC wrote Nope.

The biggest reason why they were unsuccessful is because they were averaging around 5 miles per gallon in fuel costs making them uneconomical to run when compared with other vehicle types.

Your rationale for London doesn't really hold much water either as most vehicles are dual-door thus making it more susceptible to fare evaders. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's unlikely a massive problem as you claim.

(13 Mar 2022, 9:23 am)Storx wrote It was quite a big problem down there, reported that the avoidance was nearly double on a bendy bus vs a conventional decker down there

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/25/london.transport

That was more a London perspective rather than up here though. They're just awful things anywhere, I'm not sure how true the artic reference is anyway I'm not aware of it being said anywhere recently.

(12 Mar 2022, 8:28 pm)Bazza wrote Is this related to the BSIP?     

I would imagine nothing is written in stone, and that changes could be made.

Articulated buses weren’t very successful the first time they were ran by GNE.

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(13 Mar 2022, 2:34 pm)Malarkey wrote Documented on Page 130 of the BSIP Final Document, information attached below.  

(13 Mar 2022, 5:08 pm)Bazza wrote Some posters seem to think that because it’s written down it can’t or won’t be changed. 

Seeing that it’s unlikely that BSIP will go ahead in its entirety (if at all) it’s obvious that anything in that final proposal document is not set in stone

(13 Mar 2022, 6:46 pm)Adrian wrote I suppose that goes for everything that is written down. Do you propose that we don't discuss anything, because at some point it can be changed?

It's in the BSIP document, so it's a discussion point. Just as whether or not it goes ahead is.

(14 Mar 2022, 12:48 pm)Andreos1 wrote https://twitter.com/fullcirclebrew/status/1503350940274937862?t=tkN68ItX5migIZbMdv6qVw&s=19

Businesses are getting behind the campaign to reinstate the Q3 between St Peters and Wallsend.

(14 Mar 2022, 12:48 pm)Andreos1 wrote https://twitter.com/fullcirclebrew/status/1503350940274937862?t=tkN68ItX5migIZbMdv6qVw&s=19

Businesses are getting behind the campaign to reinstate the Q3 between St Peters and Wallsend.

(08 Mar 2022, 9:56 pm)Omega54 wrote Yes it was, it was moved to the 265, from the 65 full sized buses (regularly using double deckers) at every 60 mins, same with the 65. 

Also I believe they're contracted

(08 Mar 2022, 9:26 pm)F114TML wrote Am I correct in thinking it was a CLS route before it became the 265?

(14 Mar 2022, 9:57 pm)F114TML wrote Actually, I've been having a look at the timetable (this is from a 2010 image of the GNE website but goodness knows how long it'd been in place by then) and it seems a bit odd.

Please correct me if I'm looking at this horribly wrong, but it looks to me that both buses on weekdays start at Seaham, but end at opposite ends of the route, and the low floor buses also take over at opposite ends (presumably running off other routes). Weekends they seem to start and end towards the Seaham end (I'd be surprised if those 2315 journeys from Seaham carted round much more than a driver and some fresh air).
This is all implying to me it was a Deptford route, not a CLS one.

(14 Mar 2022, 9:57 pm)F114TML wrote Actually, I've been having a look at the timetable (this is from a 2010 image of the GNE website but goodness knows how long it'd been in place by then) and it seems a bit odd.

Please correct me if I'm looking at this horribly wrong, but it looks to me that both buses on weekdays start at Seaham, but end at opposite ends of the route, and the low floor buses also take over at opposite ends (presumably running off other routes). Weekends they seem to start and end towards the Seaham end (I'd be surprised if those 2315 journeys from Seaham carted round much more than a driver and some fresh air).
This is all implying to me it was a Deptford route, not a CLS one.

(14 Mar 2022, 11:09 pm)Drifter60 wrote The 65 was definitely a CLS route directly before it was replaced with the 65. As this rare working appears to confirm, with a CLS based Lambton Worm DAF for service 34 appearing on the service -  https://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswhitesbusphotos/7460150382/in/photostream/

That timetable is pretty similar to the last the 65 timetable I remember before it was replaced with the 65. The first buses always started at Seaham and the last journey from Seaham terminated at Hetton even when the last journey was 20:15.

And I also remember it interworking with the 877 scholar bus as it would occasionally throw up some rare branded workings, I recall Lime B10s and Whey Aye 5-0s moonlighting in Seaham!

(14 Mar 2022, 11:09 pm)Drifter60 wrote The 65 was definitely a CLS route directly before it was replaced with the 65. As this rare working appears to confirm, with a CLS based Lambton Worm DAF for service 34 appearing on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswhitesbusphotos/7460150382/in/photostream/

That timetable is pretty similar to the last the 65 timetable I remember before it was replaced with the 65. The first buses always started at Seaham and the last journey from Seaham terminated at Hetton even when the last journey was 20:15.

And I also remember it interworking with the 877 scholar bus as it would occasionally throw up some rare branded workings, I recall Lime B10s and Whey Aye 5-0s moonlighting in Seaham!

(14 Mar 2022, 11:56 pm)Jimmi wrote Even as the 265, CLS still operated some of the weekday peak time trips along with Deptford at points which although generally double deck operated would chuck up all sorts of oddities over the years from Fast Cats Solars to The Castle Express StreetDecks, was even more potential for oddities on an afternoon when the schools were off.

(15 Mar 2022, 1:13 pm)Drifter60 wrote Oh yes you’re right. I’m pretty sure just before the 65 was reintroduced one of the weekday morning journeys was an X21 XLINES StreetDeck which then ran onto the X21 at Durham. A nice change from the indigo solos!

In other news, is there any more info on Peterlee depot closing? Such as a date of closing and where the routes are going to be operated from? I wonder if they’ll be service changes first then the depot closing.

(15 Mar 2022, 1:38 pm)Unber43 wrote Afaik it is 30th march. 

With 59/204 moving to CLS (only ones which make sense) and the rest moving to Deptford. Idk if these will be seperate rota, or where the 65 will change over.

(14 Mar 2022, 9:57 pm)F114TML wrote Actually, I've been having a look at the timetable (this is from a 2010 image of the GNE website but goodness knows how long it'd been in place by then) and it seems a bit odd.

Please correct me if I'm looking at this horribly wrong, but it looks to me that both buses on weekdays start at Seaham, but end at opposite ends of the route, and the low floor buses also take over at opposite ends (presumably running off other routes). Weekends they seem to start and end towards the Seaham end (I'd be surprised if those 2315 journeys from Seaham carted round much more than a driver and some fresh air).
This is all implying to me it was a Deptford route, not a CLS one.

(14 Mar 2022, 10:21 pm)streetdeckfan wrote The most interesting part of that timetable to me is the bit about the clocks being fitted at the front of all GNE buses!

They should definitely bring them back

(15 Mar 2022, 3:58 pm)Adrian wrote It's likely not needed, when you've got ticket machines that are capable of receiving an accurate time using NTP, along with technology to track early and late operation.