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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Superman - 19 Aug 2025
(19 Aug 2025, 8:20 pm)Robisdave54 wrote Interesting that they wouldn't take up the 2025 contract for the present services and thankfully Northstar stepped into the breach, again thankfully as given the current state of Arrivas fleet I wouldn't like to find myself stranded on the moors.Arriva are within their right to refuse any contract they are offered. They don't even need to give a reason. Stagecoach also didn't want to do it, for whatever reason they decided on.
Northstar accepted when asked. Equally, haven't had a perfect season themselves, but the distance doesn't help react quickly.
The decision to run a single day though is hugely different to a decision to run a full season, so not even sure why they are being compared. I think it's one of the office staff driving it.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - DaveFromUpNorth - 19 Aug 2025
is it not to do with driving hours?
6 days a week for one driver and the day he needs to be off is covered by another company sub contracted perhaps aka a branded Northstar bus will operate ...
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 19 Sep 2025
Info of the Tees Valley changes, effective 2 November 2025 have been posted by Arriva: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/service-changes-tees-valley-&-whitby
We will be making changes to some of our services in Tees Valley and Whitby so that they better reflect how customers are using our buses.
Middlesbrough Area
Service 8 Middlesbrough – Netherfields
Will run to a revised timetable. Mon–Fri daytime buses will run up to every 15 minutes.
Service 9 Middlesbrough – Overfields
Timetable revised to improve punctuality.
Services 17A/17B Middlesbrough – Thornaby – Stockton
Timetable revised to improve punctuality.
Service 63 Middlesbrough – Redcar
Revised timetable. Mon–Fri daytime buses will run up to every 15 minutes.
Service 805 Brambles Farm – Swans Corner
The full service is been withdrawn. The alternative service are services 5 & 5A.
Service X3 Middlesbrough – Lingdale
Minor late afternoon changes are being made. New later through journey will depart Lingdale at 16:54 to Middlesbrough.
Services X4/X4A Middlesbrough – Redcar – Loftus – Whitby
Sunday journeys between Redcar & Whitby continue through winter. The service will be every 30 minutes plus a new later Sunday evening journey will now depart Whitby at 19:38 to Middlesbrough.
Regional / Longer Distance
Service X12 Middlesbrough – Durham – Newcastle
This service will see an early morning change the 06:41am from Coxhoe has been extended to start at Sedgefield 06.28am for earlier Durham arrival.
Service X22 Middlesbrough – Stockton – Peterlee
Due to low passenger demand, most journeys will now run Stockton to Peterlee only.
Whitby & Scarborough Area
Services X93/X94 Middlesbrough – Guisborough – Whitby – Scarborough
X94 is been withdrawn for winter and will restart in April 2026. The evening & Sunday journeys (introduced in April) will continue through winter. Based on customer feedback. the service will also now stop at Swans Corner in both directions.
Whitby Park & Ride P1 & P2
Will stop for the winter months and restart in April 2026
Durham changes
Not posted by Arriva yet, but there's variations submitted for services: 6, 22, 23, 24, 43, X46, 48 & 49/49A from 2 November 2025 as well.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 20 Sep 2025
Changes primarily designed to help with Stockton’s staffing crisis… I would hope many of the reductions are temporary!
On top of these… operation of the 5a will move to Redcar and the X12 will be an entirely Durham production from November.
Impressed to see the additional journeys being kept on the X4 and X93 through the winter.
It is nice to see that some growth is now on the cards and the X3, X4, X12 all get some extensions.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Bob5666 - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 3:26 am)tyresmoke wrote Changes primarily designed to help with Stockton’s staffing crisis… I would hope many of the reductions are temporary!
On top of these… operation of the 5a will move to Redcar and the X12 will be an entirely Durham production from November.
Impressed to see the additional journeys being kept on the X4 and X93 through the winter.
It is nice to see that some growth is now on the cards and the X3, X4, X12 all get some extensions.
Are all the 5A moving to Redcar so that probably means Stockton will lose pulsars with the 5a and same with the x12
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Ryland - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 8:49 am)Bob5666 wrote Are all the 5A moving to Redcar so that probably means Stockton will lose pulsars with the 5a
Not sure how redcar would gain any pulsars. When on the other threads there are 6 spare at redcar being used to cover a repaint.
5a operating from redcar would be better. But would it interwork with another service. Say the x3 and 5a leaving the x2 to work into 64 and 64a.
Do feel as though 62 is a service that could've been extended again bsck to marske or new marske.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 8:59 am)Ryland wrote Not sure how redcar would gain any pulsars. When on the other threads there are 6 spare at redcar being used to cover a repaint.
5a operating from redcar would be better. But would it interwork with another service. Say the x3 and 5a leaving the x2 to work into 64 and 64a.
Do feel as though 62 is a service that could've been extended again bsck to marske or new marske.
You’d presume 2 buses will move with it - it will interwork with the 63 I understand.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Bob5666 - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 9:06 am)tyresmoke wrote You’d presume 2 buses will move with it - it will interwork with the 63 I understand.
With Durham you probably see deckers allocated to the x12 due to Xmas shoppers as it dose get very busy at that time of year with there mmcs been eur6 is a bonus for the Newcastle clean air zone
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Superman - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 3:26 am)tyresmoke wrote Changes primarily designed to help with Stockton’s staffing crisis… I would hope many of the reductions are temporary!
On top of these… operation of the 5a will move to Redcar and the X12 will be an entirely Durham production from November.
Impressed to see the additional journeys being kept on the X4 and X93 through the winter.
It is nice to see that some growth is now on the cards and the X3, X4, X12 all get some extensions.
Stockton are keeping two X12 boards.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - busesofthenortheast - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 8:49 am)Bob5666 wrote Are all the 5A moving to Redcar so that probably means Stockton will lose pulsars with the 5a and same with the x12
5As are only moving temporally to help Stockton with short drivers
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - peter - 21 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 3:26 am)tyresmoke wrote Changes primarily designed to help with Stockton’s staffing crisis… I would hope many of the reductions are temporary!
On top of these… operation of the 5a will move to Redcar and the X12 will be an entirely Durham production from November.
Impressed to see the additional journeys being kept on the X4 and X93 through the winter.
It is nice to see that some growth is now on the cards and the X3, X4, X12 all get some extensions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only substantial reductions are the 8 and 63 going from 10 minutes to 15 minutes?
The way people were talking about these changes made it seem like entire routes were being withdrawn! You would like to think these will re-increase in due course, at the very least up to 12 minutes if not back to 10.
Admittedly, there is also the X22 peak journeys being curtailed back to Stockton which, although a shame, is perhaps not a great loss in the grand scheme of things - less convinced on whether these will return! Oh and the 805 too which is in essence 'a nice to have' to ease schooldays crowdings and I assume could come back if/when the others are put back to normal.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tvd - 24 Sep 2025
I'd have kept just a few X94 journeys running through the winter months too, as a bit of extra capacity at busy times - Whitby is rarely quiet for long.
Not only that, but they have route branded buses for the X93/X94 and one of those routes advertised is withdrawn completely for a few months, where it needn't be.
The 63 going to every 15 minutes made me think back to when it was a flagship route, running every 7 or 8 minutes.
What happened to it, has the demand actually reduced that much over the years?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Teessider2014 - 24 Sep 2025
(24 Sep 2025, 9:14 am)tvd wrote I'd have kept just a few X94 journeys running through the winter months too, as a bit of extra capacity at busy times - Whitby is rarely quiet for long.
Not only that, but they have route branded buses for the X93/X94 and one of those routes advertised is withdrawn completely for a few months, where it needn't be.
The 63 going to every 15 minutes made me think back to when it was a flagship route, running every 7 or 8 minutes.
What happened to it, has the demand actually reduced that much over the years?
The highest frequency the 63 has ever had was every 9 minutes around 2007/8. Prior to that it was every 10 and has constantly stayed every 10. Once staffing issues subside it is expected to go back to every 10 - the 63 is also one of the few routes that in 2025 is more frequent than it was in the early 90’s!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tvd - 25 Sep 2025
(24 Sep 2025, 7:11 pm)Teessider2014 wrote The highest frequency the 63 has ever had was every 9 minutes around 2007/8. Prior to that it was every 10 and has constantly stayed every 10. Once staffing issues subside it is expected to go back to every 10 - the 63 is also one of the few routes that in 2025 is more frequent than it was in the early 90’s!
I think I'm correct in it being every 7/8 minutes years ago, but if I'm wrong I stand corrected.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 29 Sep 2025
Some Northumberland service changes, effective November 2nd 2025: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/service-changes-northumberland-and-tyne-&-wear-areas-nov-25
A basic summary:
434 - reduced to run every 2 hours (Northumberland County Council decision)
X14/X15/X16/X18 - journeys generally running 10 mins later than present, extra summer Saturday X18 journeys no longer running - less X14's serving Cragside (reduced winter opening hours) - Saturday X16 journeys at start/end of the day that currently run Wooler to Kelso, will be extended to terminate in Morpeth.
777 - timetable changes
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Superman - 30 Sep 2025
(29 Sep 2025, 10:12 pm)Jimmi wrote Some Northumberland service changes, effective November 2nd 2025: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/service-changes-northumberland-and-tyne-&-wear-areas-nov-25
A basic summary:
434 - reduced to run every 2 hours (Northumberland County Council decision)
X14/X15/X16/X18 - journeys generally running 10 mins later than present, extra summer Saturday X18 journeys no longer running - less X14's serving Cragside (reduced winter opening hours) - Saturday X16 journeys at start/end of the day that currently run Wooler to Kelso, will be extended to terminate in Morpeth.
777 - timetable changes
Looks like an extra bus in the X14/15/16/18 and they will all interwork in Newcastle.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 17 Oct 2025
Some minor timing changes on services 6, 22, 23, 24, 43, 48, 49/49A and X46 from November 2nd: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/timetable-revisions-in-county-durham
Some additional journeys will be provided on service 7 whilst Luminaire is on in Durham between 13th-15th November: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/additional-services-for-lumiere
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Bob5666 - 22 Oct 2025
That demonstrator decker seems to be getting wasted by Blyth if there aren't gonna use it why don't there send it to Ashington im prity sure they be glad for a extra decker or even send it to Durham as yet to bleve there getting same style i been hearing
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 22 Oct 2025
(22 Oct 2025, 3:10 pm)Bob5666 wrote That demonstrator decker seems to be getting wasted by Blyth if there aren't gonna use it why don't there send it to Ashington im prity sure they be glad for a extra decker or even send it to Durham as yet to bleve there getting same style i been hearing
It's broken, as far I'm aware, rather than being unused.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Shrek - 22 Oct 2025
(22 Oct 2025, 3:10 pm)Bob5666 wrote That demonstrator decker seems to be getting wasted by Blyth if there aren't gonna use it why don't there send it to Ashington im prity sure they be glad for a extra decker or even send it to Durham as yet to bleve there getting same style i been hearing
I read something on Facebook about Blyth awaiting a part before it can get back on the road.
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - cbma06 - 26 Oct 2025
Have your say on the future of the X22! We are looking to improve the X22 service in County Durham, and need your feedback. Whether you’re a regular passenger or just use it occasionally, your views can help shape future timetables and routes.
Take the quick survey here: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/help-shape-the-future-of-service-x22-in-county-durhamBack in July 2023, changes were made to bus services X21/X22 following reductions in local authority funding. Since then, we’ve received valuable feedback from our passengers -particularly concerns about the loss of direct links to Newton Aycliffe and Darlington from Peterlee, Sedgefield, and surrounding areas.
We know how important reliable transport connections are for work, education, and everyday travel. That’s why we’re revisiting these changes -and we’d like to hear your views on the best option going forward.
We’re considering two options for Service X22;
Maintain the service as it currently is, with links to Stockton and North Tees Hospital or
Revise the service to connect to Newton Aycliffe and Darlington instead
Your voice matters, and your feedback will help shape the future of this service.
Have your say!
Please take a moment to let us know which option best suits your travel needs by completing the survey below.
Click here to share your feedback with us
The survey will run from 20 October until 30 November 2025.
Thank you for helping us improve public transport in County Durham.
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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 26 Oct 2025
(26 Oct 2025, 10:33 am)cbma06 wrote
We are looking to improve the X22 service in County Durham, and need your feedback. Whether you’re a regular passenger or just use it occasionally, your views can help shape future timetables and routes.
We’re considering two options for Service X22;
Maintain the service as it currently is, with links to Stockton and North Tees Hospital or
Revise the service to connect to Newton Aycliffe and Darlington instead
Your voice matters, and your feedback will help shape the future of this service.
Should also add, whichever outcome occurs, it will supposedly still be half hourly between Sedgefield and Peterlee (says this when you open the survey).
Amusing they ask for views, but I did the survey and as someone who doesn't have access to the current X22 but would for the revised route, I had to tick the "currently do not use the X22" box and the survey ended there for me, I did also leave a comment on the Facebook post Arriva posted this morning linking to the survey, but seemingly deleted it, likely because someone put service 22 instead of X22 on the graphic.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 26 Oct 2025
(26 Oct 2025, 5:24 pm)Jimmi wrote Amusing they ask for views, but I did the survey and as someone who doesn't have access to the current X22 but would for the revised route, I had to tick the "currently do not use the X22" box and the survey ended there for me, I did also leave a comment on the Facebook post Arriva posted this morning linking to the survey, but seemingly deleted it, likely because someone put service 22 instead of X22 on the graphic.
In fairness, it's a good move that. It should be about the existing passengers first imo as they're the ones who will be impacted with work or whatever.
It's a change from the ones in the past which were so dodgy worded it was always going to have one answer.
Always remember the 57/57A being one like that asking if it would be a good idea to redirect one via the new hospital and stuff Seghill in the process. Obviously Betty in Ashington who never used it would agree with that and it went through.
GoNorthEast used to be especially bad for it aswell.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Rob44 - 29 Oct 2025
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/arriva-accused-isolating-residents-proposed-32769059
no so happy about the x22
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 29 Oct 2025
(29 Oct 2025, 12:59 pm)Rob44 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/arriva-accused-isolating-residents-proposed-32769059
no so happy about the x22
I assume there's timing issues, but I'm surprised they haven't just cut the X22 short at Sedgefield and merged it with the 23 tbh.
The Stockton side of it is clearly struggling.
Don't see why the timings wouldn't work though, as it's not much different to Peterlee to Sunderland which it used to do.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - logidoodah - 29 Oct 2025
(29 Oct 2025, 12:59 pm)Rob44 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/arriva-accused-isolating-residents-proposed-32769059
no so happy about the x22
I genuinely don't understand why they can just reinstate the X21 / X22 each hourly but combined up to Sedgefield...
Darlington could operate one board and Stockton the other. They literally have depots at each end (and nearbyish Durham which they could change the X12 or 23 in some way) so they have no excuse.
I genuinely don't understand why they've given that choice.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kimlfixit - 29 Oct 2025
Can't help but feel Arriva have created a problem of thier own making with that badly worded survey.
A cynic would say they are fishing for some money out of Tees Valley or Durham by demonstrating demand, but not enough to be commercially viable.
Maybe if they actually market thier services properly, they wouldn't be in the mess to begin with.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 29 Oct 2025
(29 Oct 2025, 5:16 pm)Kimlfixit wrote Can't help but feel Arriva have created a problem of thier own making with that badly worded survey.
A cynic would say they are fishing for some money out of Tees Valley or Durham by demonstrating demand, but not enough to be commercially viable.
Maybe if they actually market thier services properly, they wouldn't be in the mess to begin with.
To be honest, I just have a feeling there's not many people really using it.
The X10 (GNE) and X12 do most the links direct much quicker.
There's only really Trimdon, Wingate and Fishburn who realistically might use it and I'm not sure there's enough there to warrant it.
Least heading to Darlington opens up new links which don't exist currently without a severe detour.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 29 Oct 2025
(29 Oct 2025, 6:21 pm)Storx wrote To be honest, I just have a feeling there's not many people really using it.
The X10 (GNE) and X12 do most the links direct much quicker.
There's only really Trimdon, Wingate and Fishburn who realistically might use it and I'm not sure there's enough there to warrant it.
Least heading to Darlington opens up new links which don't exist currently without a severe detour.
Views are very mixed on the proposed changes, some want the Aycliffe & Darlo link back, but understandably there's opposition to the removal of the current X22 to North Tees Hospital and Stockton, more for North Tees as is often the way when hospital links are removed.
Biggest issues with the routes are the fact it's essentially dead south of Sedgefield, not helped by the gaps of anywhere to pick up/drop off passengers for about 15 minutes, current X22 not being helped by the fact it largely dupes the X12 for the remainder of the route for Stockton aside from Thorpe Thewles which risks losing its bus service as a result and North Tees which is typically not a daily link for most aside from people who work there and the X12 stops close by. At very least the X21 provides a link which is now a nightmare to undertake, especially from Newton Aycliffe.
Comments are still being made wishing for the X12 to additionally serve Fishburn which Arriva suggested about doing in a survey a few year back but was left as it was.
If it was going to be running to/from Darlington again, not sure how it would work resource wise given the extra time it takes to run to Darlo via Aycliffe vs the current X22 to Stockton which requires 4 buses, unless it somehow got worked in with the 22/23/24 cycle.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kimlfixit - 29 Oct 2025
(29 Oct 2025, 6:21 pm)Storx wrote To be honest, I just have a feeling there's not many people really using it.
The X10 (GNE) and X12 do most the links direct much quicker.
There's only really Trimdon, Wingate and Fishburn who realistically might use it and I'm not sure there's enough there to warrant it.
Least heading to Darlington opens up new links which don't exist currently without a severe detour.
True enough. No disrespect to Stockton, but I would think Darlington would be a bigger draw. One assumes at the time they withdrew the X21 they thought about either Darlington or Stockton and plumbed for Stockton and now Stockton is a building site and Darlo is upwardly mobile