(18 Jul 2015, 7:01 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote What would happen if GNE kept loyal to Wrights and bought Streetdecks and they ended up with loads of problems but weren't even three year old?

(18 Jul 2015, 7:01 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote What would happen if GNE kept loyal to Wrights and bought Streetdecks and they ended up with loads of problems but weren't even three year old?

(18 Jul 2015, 7:01 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote What would happen if GNE kept loyal to Wrights and bought Streetdecks and they ended up with loads of problems but weren't even three year old?

(18 Jul 2015, 7:20 pm)S813 FVK wrote Why have Volvo chosen to use a 5 litre engine as opposed to a 9 litre like ADL? They're losing customer (the bus operators) interest right there when it comes to long distance routes - i'd chose the bigger engine any day of the week.

(18 Jul 2015, 7:20 pm)S813 FVK wrote Why have Volvo chosen to use a 5 litre engine as opposed to a 9 litre like ADL? They're losing customer (the bus operators) interest right there when it comes to long distance routes - i'd chose the bigger engine any day of the week.

(18 Jul 2015, 7:20 pm)S813 FVK wrote Why have Volvo chosen to use a 5 litre engine as opposed to a 9 litre like ADL? They're losing customer (the bus operators) interest right there when it comes to long distance routes - i'd chose the bigger engine any day of the week.

(18 Jul 2015, 7:21 pm)Dan wrote ADL is not a 9-litre - it is a 6.7 litre if I recall correctly. Scania (on ADL bodywork) is the only manufacturer offering a 9-litre.

(18 Jul 2015, 7:29 pm)S813 FVK wrote Ah. Blame citaro for my confusion! Just remember him posting something about a 9 litre engine.

(18 Jul 2015, 7:29 pm)S813 FVK wrote Ah. Blame citaro for my confusion! Just remember him posting something about a 9 litre engine.

(18 Jul 2015, 7:30 pm)Dan wrote No worries - 'blame citaro' is what I usually do when all else fails...

(18 Jul 2015, 7:32 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote The reason Volvo went with a 5 litre rather than an 8 litre for Euro 6 was the following:

- A bigger engine would make the bus too heavy for London. Euro 6 engines are heavier and more advanced.

- Operators like First and Arriva wanted more fuel efficient vehicles particularly the former who weren't willing to pay the expensive fuel costs for a B9TL and switched to ADL.

If GNE were to order this vehicle and it went wrong, the only possible route that I could see the Streetdeck handling would be the 310 (not the 309)

(18 Jul 2015, 7:37 pm)pdiddy wrote The StreetDecker would be ideal for city work, not good for long distance work like the X21.

In an ideal world you would get the scania 9ltr e400 for the X21.

But if 100 people had to choose between the demos I'd bet 99percent would go for the E400.

(18 Jul 2015, 7:33 pm)pdiddy wrote The e400mmc  is a 6.7 litre Cummins unit

The StreetDecker is a 5.1 litre Merc/Daimler unit

Therefore the streetdecker has to be pushed much harder than the E400 therefore the engine would wear out much faster.

Would flogging a small engine be more economical than  cruising with a big engine, I doubt it. And in the long term the e400mmc would surely more financially viable

(18 Jul 2015, 7:43 pm)G-CPTN wrote It's not that simple.

You would have to look at the torque and the gearing (including the number of ratios) to compare performance.
Similar calculations for fuel consumption.

As long as a vehicle has the 'power' to meet the schedules it doesn't need extra - though it is useful to have some in reserve for delays and performance fall-off between services/repairs.

A more powerful engine needn't mean greater fuel consumption.

(18 Jul 2015, 8:01 pm)S813 FVK wrote Close to getting myself papped today. Good job it went past a few seconds earlier! https://www.flickr.com/photos/bazza90/19186164293/

I walked out of the interchange building when 9119 was sitting at the lights just after the mini-roundabout with 6007 behind it.

(18 Jul 2015, 8:02 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote I would compare the Streetdeck to the VDL Gemini DL.....

With the Streetdeck only having a 5.1 Litre Daimler with a 4 speed Voith the bus will need a very big turbo to get enough power to move a Double Deck same as the Gemini 2DL and once the massive turbo tires out, You end up with a blown,gutless wreck that can barely go 20mph.

The E400 having a 6.7 Litre Cummins with a 6 speed ZF Ecolife will need a relatively smaller Turbo compared to the Daimler to get it moving. But will take a lot longer to run out due to having a bigger engine and a bigger gearbox with smaller RPMs which results in a longer life.

(18 Jul 2015, 8:43 pm)Diamond One wrote much prefer a Enviro 400 it felt smooth as anything although the Streetdeck is a nice vehicle i can see these being a future order knowing GNE they may order it a possible suggestion X21 and of course 27 would love to see a Streetdeck in Hebburn it does get packed on a morning and late rush even during the day but i think also 20/20A/X20 and the night bus N20 could do with deckers

(18 Jul 2015, 12:49 pm)S813 FVK wrote Apparently it has been confirmed that the X21 will be rebranded 'Angel' when they get new buses...
The crap some enthusiasts can come out with is absolutely ridiculous.

(19 Jul 2015, 8:37 am)GX03 SVC wrote Using Chester-le-Street OmniDekkas too... 

(19 Jul 2015, 9:53 am)Michael wrote Wanna bet after the demo buses are finished with and if GNE decide to buy new buses for the X21, they'll go for the Streetdeck... although everyone seems to like the E400 more.......