(04 Apr 2018, 9:41 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote What is different about MAX, Sapphire etc and when did Arriva introduce these separate identities?

(05 Apr 2018, 8:00 am)Shrek wrote You see I'd normally agree with you, but having been on a 54 not so long ago where the driver was saying he didn't think the bus was fit for the road but he'd been told to ignore the warnings and "just give it a go" it got me wondering last night.

(04 Apr 2018, 10:52 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Arriva having a new livery is a good thing. I don't think I have seen the new blue livery in the flesh yet. I like the new logo. What even was the old logo meant to be? The lowercase 'arriva' looks more smart and friendly than 'ARRIVA'.

(05 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm)Cock Robin wrote I agree with you. Certain Arriva employees have rose tinted spectacles! The original poster didn't say anything about it being in a dangerous state but anyone that thinks buses aren't sent out with defects needs to give their head a shake.

(05 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm)Cock Robin wrote Hate the new logo. Why use a capital A symbol and then spell Arriva with a small a?! Looks Like 'Aarriva'! Not keen on the new livery either. Doesn't look too bad when pristine (although still looks cheap) but soon shows the dirt.

(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Well, I agree the new logo having a capital A then spelling Arriva with a small a is rather odd! However, what is the old logo meant to be? I think it might be a small a symbol with ARRIVA in capitals, but I could be wrong as I really don't know what the symbol is.

(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Hopefully I will see the new livery soon.

(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Hopefully I will see the new livery soon.

(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 wrote *cough* 500 Group Running Day *Cough*

It's not a case of Arriva employees having rose tinted spectacles. It's common sense. I wouldn't expect any company from independents Scarlet Band, Stagecarriage or one of the  Proctors group all the way through to the national ones to willingly send out a vehicle Van,  Minibus, coach, Double decker, hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road. Why...? What happens to the tyres of the vehicle following the bus that "got sent out because the fitters thought it would be okay",  Weeeeee BANG! To put It into family friendly terms.

I said it last time and I'll say it again. Arriva a multinational company will not risk its O License by sending out a defective bus. No bus is perfect however there is a line as to what is considered roadworthy and its something called a PG9. Google it you will get a document from Gov.Uk over 100 pages on defects that would deem a bus unroadworthy (Oil Leak is page 88 if you want to argue) It's an immediate prohibition which means if VOSA/DVSA see it on the road with it Knowingly, The bus gets impounded, The driver will be fined anywhere up to £5000 and risks penalty points on his LICENCE, Arriva will be up in front of the Traffic Commissioners in Leeds and they risk losing thier operators licence.

Next time think before you type needless slander ?

(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 wrote *cough* 500 Group Running Day *Cough*

It's not a case of Arriva employees having rose tinted spectacles. It's common sense. I wouldn't expect any company from independents Scarlet Band, Stagecarriage or one of the  Proctors group all the way through to the national ones to willingly send out a vehicle Van,  Minibus, coach, Double decker, hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road. Why...? What happens to the tyres of the vehicle following the bus that "got sent out because the fitters thought it would be okay",  Weeeeee BANG! To put It into family friendly terms.

I said it last time and I'll say it again. Arriva a multinational company will not risk its O License by sending out a defective bus. No bus is perfect however there is a line as to what is considered roadworthy and its something called a PG9. Google it you will get a document from Gov.Uk over 100 pages on defects that would deem a bus unroadworthy (Oil Leak is page 88 if you want to argue) It's an immediate prohibition which means if VOSA/DVSA see it on the road with it Knowingly, The bus gets impounded, The driver will be fined anywhere up to £5000 and risks penalty points on his LICENCE, Arriva will be up in front of the Traffic Commissioners in Leeds and they risk losing thier operators licence.

Next time think before you type needless slander ?

(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 wrote hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road.

(06 Apr 2018, 9:16 am)OrangeArrow49 wrote You appear to have replied to the wrong person.

Can we keep this to friendly debate? It gets somewhat ridiculous. The bus expired twice in a day, therefore Arriva failed. Whatever the circumstances, it broke twice, same reason or different reason. They have to keep buses moving to make profit as they are a business. A vehicle that stops working correctly twice in the same day is not a roadworthy bus at all. They won't send it out intentionally in a dangerous condition, but will push the limits of acceptability to keep it moving and making them money. 

Thank you.

(06 Apr 2018, 9:37 am)Andreos1 wrote All hypothetical of course...


Would a quick fix sort out the issue temporarily until fitters a) have time to sort it properly. B) a non-essential part is sourced. C) pvr requirements and pressures from management to get the vehicle out on the road has decreased?

Could that temporary fix then fail?

(05 Apr 2018, 1:14 pm)omnicity4659 wrote MAX, for interurban express routes, buses new or refurbished with pleather seating, free WiFi. In 2016, USB chargers added to refurbished vehicles following national Arriva specification change. MAX vehicles have Arriva 2009 spec plastics and flooring. Summer 2014-January 2018. It is now a defunct brand.

Sapphire, for selected routes which have potential, buses new or refurbished with pleather seating, free WiFi, power sockets (3-pin/USB until 2016, USB 2016-present), next stop announcements, clockface timetables. Sapphire vehicles have bespoke plastics and flooring. End of 2013-present. "Sapphire" is now the local variation of "Arriva Premium"*.

Frequenta, for selected urban routes with a frequency of every 10 minutes or better. No set specification. 2015-2018. It is now a defunct brand.

Standard, all vehicles new or refurbished, free WiFi, USB charging, pleather seating. Arriva 2009 spec plastics and flooring. 2016-present.

*Arriva Premium is the Arriva Group product name for premium specification bus and coach services in the UK and Europe, divisions can rename the brand to suit local needs, hence Arriva Sapphire in the UK. Arriva Express and Arriva Frequent are the other products available.

As of now, no vehicles should be repainted in liveries other than Arriva Standard, Arriva Premium, Arriva Express, Arriva Frequent, Arriva Green or Arriva Driver Training. Special liveries, such as TfL Red or joint ventures such as Cross Pennine are exempt.

(05 Apr 2018, 8:03 pm)omnicity4659 wrote



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(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 wrote *cough* 500 Group Running Day *Cough*

It's not a case of Arriva employees having rose tinted spectacles. It's common sense. I wouldn't expect any company from independents Scarlet Band, Stagecarriage or one of the  Proctors group all the way through to the national ones to willingly send out a vehicle Van,  Minibus, coach, Double decker, hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road. Why...? What happens to the tyres of the vehicle following the bus that "got sent out because the fitters thought it would be okay",  Weeeeee BANG! To put It into family friendly terms.

I said it last time and I'll say it again. Arriva a multinational company will not risk its O License by sending out a defective bus. No bus is perfect however there is a line as to what is considered roadworthy and its something called a PG9. Google it you will get a document from Gov.Uk over 100 pages on defects that would deem a bus unroadworthy (Oil Leak is page 88 if you want to argue) It's an immediate prohibition which means if VOSA/DVSA see it on the road with it Knowingly, The bus gets impounded, The driver will be fined anywhere up to £5000 and risks penalty points on his LICENCE, Arriva will be up in front of the Traffic Commissioners in Leeds and they risk losing thier operators licence.

Next time think before you type needless slander ?

(05 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm)Cock Robin wrote I agree with you. Certain Arriva employees have rose tinted spectacles! The original poster didn't say anything about it being in a dangerous state but anyone that thinks buses aren't sent out with defects needs to give their head a shake.

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Hate the new logo. Why use a capital A symbol and then spell Arriva with a small a?! Looks Like 'Aarriva'! Not keen on the new livery either. Doesn't look too bad when pristine (although still looks cheap) but soon shows the dirt.

(06 Apr 2018, 3:09 pm)Cock Robin wrote So as many different liveries as ever?!!

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A wheel within a wheel??

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I refer you to what the driver said to 'Shrek'.

(04 Apr 2018, 3:10 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote What is usually allocated to service 306 to Whitley Bay/Tynemouth? Does the 306 have Wi-Fi and next stop announcements? I'm hopefully getting the 306 to Silverlink on Monday having been advised it's better than Stagecoach's 22 and GNEs Cobalt Clipper services on here recently. At £2.50, it's cheaper one way than GNE. I'll be using a Day Rider other than a single on the 306, so it will be £6.50 rather than my usual £7.20 Day Rover.

(07 Apr 2018, 8:41 pm)GNE6312 wrote 7469 unfortunately must be due for withdrawal as it has been the centre of jokes by drivers involving beamish sutch as one at the start of the year when a driver told me and other passengers on the X7 which was 7469 that the bus might take you to beamish. And another today on the 16:37 X8 when the driver said the bus should have a sign saying 'please send me back to beamish'.

(07 Apr 2018, 8:41 pm)GNE6312 wrote 7469 unfortunately must be due for withdrawal as it has been the centre of jokes by drivers involving beamish sutch as one at the start of the year when a driver told me and other passengers on the X7 which was 7469 that the bus might take you to beamish. And another today on the 16:37 X8 when the driver said the bus should have a sign saying 'please send me back to beamish'.

(08 Apr 2018, 4:06 am)mb134 wrote Was due to be withdrawn last year when the Ashington MMCs arrived and displaced 7501-9 to Jesmond.

Drivers will joke, but older vehicles in the fleet will always be subject to those. The fact it hasn't been withdrawn signals that its been providing dependable service without any major issues. 

They all had a refurbishment internally when they came up from London, are comfortable inside, and certainly don't give the impression that they're end of life (the same can be said of the B7TLs of a similar age), which is quite a way from what used to be the case. The ECW bodied Leylands being a prime example.

(07 Apr 2018, 8:25 pm)GNE6312 wrote The 306 does have wifi but not next stop announcements it also has usb sockets.

(07 Apr 2018, 4:02 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Standardising the UK Bus' fleet liveries to just Green, Sapphire and Standard (excluding special liveries such as Cross Pennine and TfL) is a whole load less... 

(10 Apr 2018, 3:48 pm)JM03 wrote Has anymore Streetlites transferred to Jesmond seen another 23 branded Streetlite today?

(11 Apr 2018, 2:05 pm)Smarty93 wrote 1427 has transferred to Stockton, allowing 1510 to return to Darlington.

(11 Apr 2018, 3:14 pm)mb134 wrote 1510 was on the X66/7 today. Absolutely killed by econospeed mind.

(11 Apr 2018, 9:43 pm)Kuyoyo wrote That’s how they were exchanged - 1427 arrived into Middlesbrough at 1145 on the X67 and was swapped over for 1510.

(14 Apr 2018, 11:34 pm)JM03 wrote What liery will the new X15 E400MMC come in?