(23 Aug 2020, 8:07 am)citaro5284 wrote I think you are missing the point, say I get the same bus every night from Newcastle, and then every night when the bus gets to the Metrocentre I got to get off the bus I just got on and get onto something else.  Defect reporting would have nothing to do with it, it is all about the passenger having to swap buses every night, as it would have to be scheduled into the duty boards.

(23 Aug 2020, 8:21 am)Stanleyone wrote It could work effectively if the bus came off the 97 at Newcastle or Gateshead then commenced the 6/6a from Eldon Square, but I agree it's not a good idea to swap buses reroute.

(23 Aug 2020, 10:43 am)Michael wrote Noticed the 56 is still running every 15 minutes and the 60 running every 12 minutes instead of every 10 minutes from the 5th September.

When will we see every timetable in Go North East format and not black and white, as almost all of the services from Saturday 5th September, will be running back to a 100% timetable.

(23 Aug 2020, 10:52 am)citaro5284 wrote Rome was not built in a day uknar Michael 

(23 Aug 2020, 1:55 pm)busmanT wrote Perhaps these frequencies are the new “normal”

(23 Aug 2020, 2:07 pm)streetdeckfan wrote It says "Services will return to their normal evening and Sunday frequencies, making it even easier to reconnect with the faces and places you love.", but they're not bringing back the 5pm Newcastle to West Auckland service during the weekdays, only on Saturdays. 
They're also not bringing back the 10/11pm Newcastle to Bishop X21s, so I wouldn't really say they're returning to their normal evening frequency

(23 Aug 2020, 3:00 pm)Stanleyone wrote Maybe the demand wasn't there before covid, so why not just remove it.

(23 Aug 2020, 3:52 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I'd have no problem if they said they were removing it, my issue is with them basically saying they're back to pre-covid timetables whilst at the same time cutting the last 2 X21 journeys.

So the latest time someone could leave Newcastle to get back to Bishop is 9pm.

Seems a bit early to me, especially on a Friday or Saturday night.

(23 Aug 2020, 3:52 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I'd have no problem if they said they were removing it, my issue is with them basically saying they're back to pre-covid timetables whilst at the same time cutting the last 2 X21 journeys.

So the latest time someone could leave Newcastle to get back to Bishop is 9pm.

Seems a bit early to me, especially on a Friday or Saturday night.

(23 Aug 2020, 5:35 pm)Storx wrote The 21 / X21 timetable at nights is a mess atm.

X21: 20:15
21: 20:20 (Durham)
21: 20:40 (Short)
21: 21:00 (Durham) 21:39 CLS
X21: 21:15, 21:47 CLS
21: 21:20 (Durham)
21: 22:20 (Durham)
21: 23:20 (Durham)

I personally don't get why they don't just scrap the X21's like in the past in the evening and tag it onto the 20:20, 21:20, 22:20 21 instead, it should be the same PVR (possibly -1). It's stupid running them 5/8 minutes apart from a 21 when it's 30/60 mins atm or at least run the X21 at XX:50 so it's not in tandem with the 21.

(23 Aug 2020, 5:59 pm)Stanleyone wrote Have all timetables been updated?, X31/X32/X70/X71 all still not down as Xlines, whereby the X45/X46/X47 are Xlines but not operated fully by Xlines vehicles. I believe that those E400s already delivered will enter service this week. Is it not possible that some timetables may still need updating?

(23 Aug 2020, 4:36 pm)citaro5284 wrote I suppose with operators still accepting each others tickets, could someone say catch a 21 to Durham and then onto an Arriva bus from there?

(23 Aug 2020, 2:06 pm)Michael wrote Not surprised, wonder if the 3 spare B9's from the 56 will go? - leave Deptford due to the Euro 6 upgrade?

(23 Aug 2020, 6:59 pm)L469 YVK wrote As long as they're used on a Newcastle route or a primary spare for Newcastle route. 6099 will also be free from Percy Main with the Cobalt & Coast as well as Coaster PVR reductions.

So if any went to Consett etc, they could be used on the X45/X46/X47 and going forward, any standalone X31 boards that won't interwork with the X30. They could also be used on the X5 & X15 if needed too.

(23 Aug 2020, 5:35 pm)Storx wrote The 21 / X21 timetable at nights is a mess atm.

X21: 20:15
21: 20:20 (Durham)
21: 20:40 (Short)
21: 21:00 (Durham) 21:39 CLS
X21: 21:15, 21:47 CLS
21: 21:20 (Durham)
21: 22:20 (Durham)
21: 23:20 (Durham)

I personally don't get why they don't just scrap the X21's like in the past in the evening and tag it onto the 20:20, 21:20, 22:20 21 instead, it should be the same PVR (possibly -1). It's stupid running them 5/8 minutes apart from a 21 when it's 30/60 mins atm or at least run the X21 at XX:50 so it's not in tandem with the 21.

(25 Aug 2020, 2:39 pm)busmanT wrote It's a big cut on the 21 as it ran every 20 minutes until 2255 then 2320 under the pre-covid timetable. 
Even worse the other bus to Low Fell (25) runs at 2020, 2120, 2220, 2320 from 5th September so 2 x buses to Low Fell at the same time then none for an hour! That's hardly going to attract the passengers back.
Even headways on common sections of route doesn't appear to be GoNE's strong point at the minute in fact a very weak point!

(25 Aug 2020, 2:39 pm)busmanT wrote It's a big cut on the 21 as it ran every 20 minutes until 2255 then 2320 under the pre-covid timetable. 
Even worse the other bus to Low Fell (25) runs at 2020, 2120, 2220, 2320 from 5th September so 2 x buses to Low Fell at the same time then none for an hour! That's hardly going to attract the passengers back.
Even headways on common sections of route doesn't appear to be GoNE's strong point at the minute in fact a very weak point!

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The 21 & 25 also run together from Low Fell into Newcastle in the late evening - they could at least have planned them on the opposite half hour.

(25 Aug 2020, 5:07 pm)Storx wrote There is the 28B aswell mind but not many people know about it oh and it runs at the opposite end of Gateshead interchange which makes sense. That runs at the opposite half hour. Do agree though that timings on joint corridors have been poor at best.

Amazingly the 56 runs at exactly the same time aswell which is in walking distance and serves the same places ie. Wrekenton and the top end of Sheriff Hill so there's the 21, 25 and 56 all running 5 minutes apart. Some would say it's a co-incidence but it wouldn't surprise me if it's delibrate. 'We tried to run additional services on the 25 in the evening but due to low usage we are now withdrawing them.'

(25 Aug 2020, 11:44 pm)Ambassador wrote There obviously isn’t the demand or confidence in public transport yet for all frequencies to go back to preCovid normal. I don’t think such a thing as post Covid exists.

I still think we’ll see thee increased frequencies pulled back. As much as Boris wants it, offices are not going back, nights out are more likely at your local than into town and even then a taxi is seen as ‘safer’ and private transport is spiking again (who knew if lockdown ended that car journeys would go up ?)

(25 Aug 2020, 5:07 pm)Storx wrote There is the 28B aswell mind but not many people know about it oh and it runs at the opposite end of Gateshead interchange which makes sense. That runs at the opposite half hour. Do agree though that timings on joint corridors have been poor at best.

Amazingly the 56 runs at exactly the same time aswell which is in walking distance and serves the same places ie. Wrekenton and the top end of Sheriff Hill so there's the 21, 25 and 56 all running 5 minutes apart. Some would say it's a co-incidence but it wouldn't surprise me if it's delibrate. 'We tried to run additional services on the 25 in the evening but due to low usage we are now withdrawing them.'

(26 Aug 2020, 5:51 pm)busmanT wrote Even worse!
With the 21, 25 & 28B each hourly they should have scheduled an even 20 minute frequency.
The cynic in me agrees that they will be saying exactly that about the evening 25 after a few weeks.

(26 Aug 2020, 9:07 pm)V514DFT wrote I dont know whats happened to GNE this year,but the whole network has took a mega hit this year alone,nothing but cuts, theyre gonna have to step up their game unless they want to become a company thats got a few profitable routes and nothing else,theyve lost services left,right,and centre this year alone,what the hell happened?

(26 Aug 2020, 9:07 pm)V514DFT wrote I dont know whats happened to GNE this year,but the whole network has took a mega hit this year alone,nothing but cuts, theyre gonna have to step up their game unless they want to become a company thats got a few profitable routes and nothing else,theyve lost services left,right,and centre this year alone,what the hell happened?

(26 Aug 2020, 10:04 pm)Storx wrote It's been happening for years but most people are just blind by loyalty on here - much worse than the other 2 in Tyneside at least anyway which haven't really changed at all in the last 10 years bar a few actual improvements X24 etc.

(26 Aug 2020, 5:57 pm)big mac wrote They should also have the 28b serve the same stand at Gateshead Interchange as the 21 and 25.  It's a bus to Low Fell that passengers probably forget about because it goes from the other side of the station.

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(28 Aug 2020, 1:47 pm)busmanT wrote I agree, the 28B is a "Low Fell" service so should go from the same stand as 21/25. If it doesn't, it can't be counted as part of the headway so we're back to the 21 & 25 running at the same time.