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Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Jimmi - 17 Jun 2015
Seem as I have never really posted what buses I like and dislike...
Like.
Leyland Olympian*
Volvo Olympian*
Optare Delta
Optare Vectra
Leyland Atlantean
Dennis Dart (especially the step entrance examples Arriva got from the takeover of Stagecoach Darlington)
Scania Omnicity
Wright Pulsar
Volvo B9TL
Leyland Lynx
Dislike.
Plaxton Prestige (sorry Marcus [emoji14] )
Dennis Dart SPD
Mercedes Vario (especially the examples that Arriva had)
Fiat Bluebird (and any other bus like this)
Dennis Dart SLF / Plaxton Pointer 2 (ANE 1301-1315)
* Various bodies apply for Leyland and Volvo Olympian's.
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - PH - BQA - 17 Jun 2015
Never posted here either...
Favourite:
Volvo Olympian
Leyland Olympian (7203/4/5- only ones I can remember)
Scania L113CRL East Lancs European
Volvo B10BLE Wright Renown/ALX 300
Scania OmniCity
ADL Enviro400 (GENERALLY!!)
Dislike:
Wright Streetlite
MPD's
VDL DB300
Optare Metrorider
Mercedes Vario (Beaver 2)
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - R852 PRG - 28 Jul 2015
I just stumbled across this thread when browsing this section of the forum, I'll give my views on the buses used on our network.
Least Favourite Modern Day Buses
- Wright Streetlite DF/Wright Streetlite Micro-Hybrid: even though they are used on my local route, the ''Coast & Country'' 78, I fail to see the appeal in the Wright Streetlite. Despite the luxuries of plug sockets and free WiFi, which is a major attraction to the average customer who is commuting to/from work; from an enthusiast's perspective, they're a bit rubbish. They just feel very much like they're built as cheaply as possible, I could compare a Streetlite to a Renown and tell you the first one is made of the same material as a Barbie Doll, and the second is built using graphene. The noise of the engine decelerating is also incredibly annoying; it also feels like it lacks power. #bringbacktheb10s
- Wright Streetdeck/Wright Gemini 3: again, it's just two Streetlites slapped together and called a double decker. It lacks power, as does the Streetlite; when I had a ride on it from Newcastle to Chester-le-Street last week, it lacked power on some of the toughest stretches of the route. I wasn't keen on it at all, it just felt so cheap. It wouldn't last long on the X21, whereas it's opponent, the Enviro400MMC; stands a chance.
- Mini Pointer Darts: I've explained in the past that I'm not a fan of the MPDs. While I admit the examples in the red corporate livery look extremely smart, and the seating in the refurbished examples is great; the bus itself it's great. I find the engine has an irritating noise that I can't pinpoint, it can also be quite loud on some of them. They rattle dreadfully as well. Some of the ''East Durham'' routes can get busy from what I've seen, and the actual size of the bus isn't fantastic either. I know it is supposed to be a minibus, but it's a peak time crusher. I'd hate to be landed with an MPD for the 85/86 in Washington on the X1 out of Eldon Square during the evening rush hour. The lack of legroom in most areas of the interior is also a downside.
Scania CN230UB/Scania OmniCity: they are just shit.
''Meh'' Buses (not good, not bad)
- Mercedes 0530N/Mercedes Citaro: while I confess that in the past I've voiced my dislike for the Citaros, as I feel they are overrated, in recent weeks when I have been making trips on them, I admit they have started to grow on me. If you sit in the right place, you're in for a comfy ride. I'm quite fond of the seats on the very back row. The engine noise isn't bad either, I have to say. I'm not particularly fond of the 07-plate Citaros on the ''Blaydon Racers'' services, while I'm a huge fan of the examples on the ''Connections4''.
- Optare Versa V1110/Optare: I admit to being quite impressed with the space-like feeling of the Optare Versa body; they look very futuristic and it's always nice to see them. They certainly stand out when compared to some of the other buses you'll find in Gateshead Interchange, for example. Although, having said that, some of them aren't in the best condition now, I'm not 100% clued up on the registrations of the Versas but I think the oldest are NK09-plates?
- VDL SB200/Wright Pulsar 2: I haven't travelled on enough of the Arriva Pulsars, despite the fleet being infested with them, to say I love them; but I've never had a bad journey on one to date. They always offer comfortable rides, and I'd say they're a nice vehicle to have as a standard fleet vehicle. Very smart on the exterior as well, I also think the seating in the ''MAX'' branded examples for the X12 is fantastic.
- MAN 18.220LF/Alexander ALX300: once more, like with the Pulsar 2s, I have always viewed the ALX300s as being the Stagecoach fleet vehicle, since being a youngster. Although for a long time what I saw the main Arriva bus as, was the Plaxton Prestiges. I always saw them in Durham whenever I visited, and they were always found on the X2 (now X12). I've never been disappointed with a journey on one of these ALX300s. I just love the lights at the front, I think they're such a distinctive characteristic of the ALX300 body. Sadly, they seem to be fewer in number these days, with the Enviro300s seemingly becoming the most common Stagecoach vehicle.
Buses that are now withdrawn
- DAF SB200/Optare Delta: I hope I got that vehicle title correct, I know they were on a DAF body and had an SBxxx number afterwards. I imagine there were different variations. I can recall the Deltas very well from when I was a young boy, with my grandad. They used to come through Pelton quite a bit, I think they would have been used on the 739/740 when I first started taking an interest in them. Fondly remember jumping on an Arriva Delta at the Black Horse in Chester-le-Street, for our first trip to Durham together. I can also recall how they sounded, spot on. Just like the ALX300s have the characteristic, when I was a young one, I used to think the front grills were a moustache.
- DAF SB200GS/Plaxton Prestige: another one that I specifically remember from when I was younger, was the Plaxton Prestige. We used to get one back up to Pelton after going to Chester-le-Street, I'm going to guess they were on the 729 (Chester-le-Street to Stanley). I just loved the sound of their engines, the classic ZF gearbox. I always look forward to a ride on a Wright Solar on the ''Loop'' services, because I know the engines in those examples sound so similar. The noise of the engine is just so good. If anything, that is what I enjoyed most about them. My maths teacher, who commutes to work on the 28A from Kibblesworth to Birtley, then the 21 to Chester-le-Street from there, proclaimed that they belonged in Beamish.
- Volvo Olympian/Northern Counties Palatine 1: I've got some great memories of the R-LGH registration Palatine 1s that were used on the scholars services at my school. I recall two in particular; 3916 and 3917. One had the registration R274 LGH, I think it was 3916. Either way, that was the one I had the most. Then there was another with something like R556 LGH. I'm sure Chester-le-Street had three though. Looking back, it's just the memories of the funny times that were had on the 885 and 887 when I first started secondary education back in 2012. They were all withdrawn from Chester-le-Street by November; when 3821, 3822 and 3825 were transferred to replace them. I can't remember for the life of me what the third Palatine 1 was... I recall my last ride on one, I think it was 3917. I'd read on Go North East's Enthusiast Area (before I found the forum!) that they had all been ''delicenced''. That didn't stop a very shabby and scruffy looking 3917 coming out and doing either of those two scholars services the next evening. I'm gutted I didn't manage to ride 3910 or 3915 when they were briefly reinstated at Stanley in January 2013.
Favourite Modern Day Buses
- Scania L94UB/Wright Solar: take this one with a pinch of salt; I only mean certain examples. The Solars on the ''Loop'' 93/94 have a fantastic ZF gearbox that I just can't get enough of. I think those on the ''Highwayman'' services also have this particular sound. I need to have a long ride on the 97 between the MetroCentre and Gateshead soon. Aside from those batches, I think the Wright Solars are a bit like marmite. Some of them are definitely starting to show their age, and some are just worn out. At the risk of inviting people to pass a comment, the Solars on the ''Prince Bishops'' services really are at the end...
- Volvo B9TL/Wright Gemini 2: overall, the B9TLs are just fantastic buses all around. The only examples that are starting to sound rough are those on the ''Tyne Tees Express'' services... Dear god...! I also loved how some of them have been really pimped out by Go North East, with some featuring plug sockets as well as free WiFi, not forgetting head cushions. They can also tackle very hard routes and manage them; Old Durham Road can be quite a nasty climb when heading to Washington or Sunderland from Gateshead on the X1 or 56 respectively. Also, the comfort of them is just great.
- Volvo B5HL/Wright Gemini 2: the Gemini 2s on the ''Angel'' 21 are in fine form still. I've used them all countless times over the past three years, and rarely encountered any problems. They still handle the route well, in my opinion. The Next Stop Announcements don't bother to be honest, they just blend in... My only gripe is when Karen says ''Next Stop; Chester-le-Street Black Horse Public House'', it sounds like ''Next Stop; Chezer-le-Street Black Horse Public House'' - it just irritates me so much.
- Volvo Olympian/Northern Counties Palatine 2: although I am sure many would class these as ''old'' buses now, seeing as Go North East still have 3814, 3818, 3819, 3822, 3830, 3831 and 3832 in their fleet at the moment, I'm going to count them as part of the ''modern'' day fleet. They are still in fine form, with the beastly Olympian engine just always doing the job. Still a pleasure to ride, although 3832 was a bit rough the last time I had it... My personal favourites are 3830 and 3831.
.......and number one.......
- Volvo B10BLE/Wright Renown: you probably saw this coming.
I just love the Renowns so much. Like I've said time and time again, it's always very nostalgic to ride them, obviously as they were on the 775/778 when I was a young boy and going out with my grandad. Not only that; they're still going strong for buses of 15-17 years of age. The only B10BLEs I have a problem with are; 4843, 4904 and 4925. 4843 for just being an awful ride in general, 4904 for being too slow, and 4925 for being too similar to 4843. The engine noise combined with the smoothness is just great. I always look forward to a ride on a Wright Renown. I'd love to drive preserved 4855 one day, just to see what they're like to drive. I know nearly all drivers just love them for how smooth and capable they are. It's a Volvo/Wright combination at it's best.Marcus
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - tyresmoke - 28 Jul 2015
Quite funny that you don't rate the Streetlites. I've found they're better as a passenger than they are as a driver... So imagine what we feel like! I've noticed they have an awful burning smell when pushed a bit though?!
Citaros are good fun when they're being abused, routes like the X7 are good for that.
I can see why you'd like Pulsars, even if they're a bit numerous now... We've got 130 in the NE fleet now I reckon!
It's crazy to think how many types I've driven in my (relatively short) career but I'd rate the B10BLEs highly! Not forgetting Olympians of course!
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Jimmi - 28 Jul 2015
(28 Jul 2015, 8:26 pm)tyresmoke wrote Quite funny that you don't rate the Streetlites. I've found they're better as a passenger than they are as a driver... So imagine what we feel like! I've noticed they have an awful burning smell when pushed a bit though?!
Citaros are good fun when they're being abused, routes like the X7 are good for that.
I can see why you'd like Pulsars, even if they're a bit numerous now... We've got 130 in the NE fleet now I reckon!
It's crazy to think how many types I've driven in my (relatively short) career but I'd rate the B10BLEs highly! Not forgetting Olympians of course!
I actually don't mind some StreetLite's, I rode Dales & District's MX62GUG on service 70 Northallerton - Ripon on my Dales & District outing last week and I thought it performed pretty well on this route and it didn't rattle half as much as some examples I've been on. The only thing that really bugs me is when some examples rattle mainly the emergency exit door such the Red Kite example I rode on the 45 yesterday.
Citaro's are excellent performers especially on the X7, my only gripe with them is the interior as because of the large heaters down by the inside seats mainly on the lower deck is does highly limit the option of inside seats with legroom.
I actually quite like Pulsar's, I was quite pleased to see 1424 turn up on the 56 this morning as when it was at Darlington depot from December 2013 until December 2014 it was frequently allocated to service 7 on a board which with it's second journey of the day being the busy run to Framwellgate Moor which was heavily loaded with New College students (including myself) and if it wasn't on the 7 it was on the 5/5A. Was rather disappointed this example left Darlington as it was probably my personal favourite so it was nice to have a ride on it again this morning
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - tyresmoke - 28 Jul 2015
(28 Jul 2015, 8:42 pm)Jimmi wrote I actually don't mind some StreetLite's, I rode Dales & District's MX62GUG on service 70 Northallerton - Ripon on my Dales & District outing last week and I thought it performed pretty well on this route and it didn't rattle half as much as some examples I've been on. The only thing that really bugs me is when some examples rattle mainly the emergency exit door such the Red Kite example I rode on the 45 yesterday.
Citaro's are excellent performers especially on the X7, my only gripe with them is the interior as because of the large heaters down by the inside seats mainly on the lower deck is does highly limit the option of inside seats with legroom.
I actually quite like Pulsar's, I was quite pleased to see 1424 turn up on the 56 this morning as when it was at Darlington depot from December 2013 until December 2014 it was frequently allocated to service 7 on a board which with it's second journey of the day being the busy run to Framwellgate Moor which was heavily loaded with New College students (including myself) and if it wasn't on the 7 it was on the 5/5A. Was rather disappointed this example left Darlington as it was probably my personal favourite so it was nice to have a ride on it again this morning
1424 is the only example in the fleet (as far as I know) to be fitted with hold gears. Can't wait to have a play with that one!
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Jimmi - 28 Jul 2015
(28 Jul 2015, 8:48 pm)tyresmoke wrote 1424 is the only example in the fleet (as far as I know) to be fitted with hold gears. Can't wait to have a play with that one!
It can be quite lively if you put your foot down, when the Durham Luminaire Festival was on in 2013 I had a ride on it home one night after being on a college trip to Birmingham and it was given an almighty thrashing on this journey [emoji2]
I hear it's the best example at Belmont.
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Malarkey - 28 Jul 2015
(28 Jul 2015, 8:26 pm)tyresmoke wrote Quite funny that you don't rate the Streetlites. I've found they're better as a passenger than they are as a driver... So imagine what we feel like! I've noticed they have an awful burning smell when pushed a bit though?!Think Marcus needs to get himself to Middlesbrough on an Explorer and tryout the Streetlites on the Sapphire Services to Guisborough which be a reasonable distance on the 5/5A, or he could get the X4 all the way down to Whitby, I reckon his opinion may change afterwards, I know mine certainly did.
Citaros are good fun when they're being abused, routes like the X7 are good for that.
I can see why you'd like Pulsars, even if they're a bit numerous now... We've got 130 in the NE fleet now I reckon!
It's crazy to think how many types I've driven in my (relatively short) career but I'd rate the B10BLEs highly! Not forgetting Olympians of course!
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Dan - 29 Jul 2015
(28 Jul 2015, 9:04 pm)Malarkey wrote Think Marcus needs to get himself to Middlesbrough on an Explorer and tryout the Streetlites on the Sapphire Services to Guisborough which be a reasonable distance on the 5/5A, or he could get the X4 all the way down to Whitby, I reckon his opinion may change afterwards, I know mine certainly did.
Haha - Marcus would have a nose bleed venturing that far south by bus!
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - BusLoverMum - 29 Jul 2015
The streetlites seem to be coping OK with the demands of the sapphire 22 route. The rattle gives you a headache, after a while, but it feels like a stable ride on the windy roads and we no longer see buses in need of some TLC after tackling silent bank which used to be a regular bus killer.
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - R852 PRG - 29 Jul 2015
(28 Jul 2015, 8:26 pm)tyresmoke wrote Quite funny that you don't rate the Streetlites. I've found they're better as a passenger than they are as a driver... So imagine what we feel like! I've noticed they have an awful burning smell when pushed a bit though?!
Citaros are good fun when they're being abused, routes like the X7 are good for that.
I can see why you'd like Pulsars, even if they're a bit numerous now... We've got 130 in the NE fleet now I reckon!
It's crazy to think how many types I've driven in my (relatively short) career but I'd rate the B10BLEs highly! Not forgetting Olympians of course!
I've always been quite fond of you.
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Malarkey - 29 Jul 2015
(29 Jul 2015, 5:58 am)Dan wrote Haha - Marcus would have a nose bleed venturing that far south by bus!
He will be fine if he takes some travel sickness pills before the journey south, and of course has someone to hold his hand along the way in case he has a nose bleed
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - tyresmoke - 29 Jul 2015
(29 Jul 2015, 3:21 pm)R852 PRG wrote I've always been quite fond of you.
Says a lot that I've driven Northern Counties, Alexander and Wright bodied examples! They're much fun though how we got away with driving the ALX300s like we did on the 35s without any complaints I don't know... Tight for time is an understatement
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Diamond One - 15 Sep 2015
Plaxton primo
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - NK53 TKT - 15 Sep 2015
MPD like 1799
OmniCity 5247
ALX400 Trident chassis
Plaxton Concept 2000
East Lancs Lowlander like 7438
Least Favourite
OmniCity like 4661
Wright Solars unless 55-Reg
Wright Renowns
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Dan - 15 Sep 2015
Least favourite is a B10... Marcus won't be sending you a Christmas card this year! [emoji14]
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - omnicity4659 - 15 Sep 2015
(15 Sep 2015, 6:17 am)Dan wrote Least favourite is a B10... Marcus won't be sending you a Christmas card this year! [emoji14]
My word, hating B10s is a crime in my book...
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - omnicity4659 - 15 Sep 2015
Favourite...
1: Brilliant - 6: Alright for 'odd' bus routes
- Plaxton Prima / DAF SB3000
- Wright Renown / Volvo B10BLE
- Wright Eclipse Gemini / Volvo B7TL
- Alexander ALX400 / DAF DB250
- East Lancs OmniDekka / Scania
- Scania OmniCity CN94UB
1: OK - 4: Downright Horrible
- Alexander Dennis Enviro400 / ADL Trident 2
- Wright Gemini 2 / Volvo B5LH
- Any type of MPD/SPD
- Fiat Tuscana / Bluebird
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Michael - 15 Sep 2015
Favourite..
Alexander Dennis Enviro 300NG
Alexander ALX300
B10
Wright Solar
B9
Streetlite Hybrid
Citaro
Least Favourite...
Plaxton President B7TL
Streelite Max
MPD
SPD
DAF
Cadet
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Diamond One - 15 Sep 2015
(15 Sep 2015, 9:46 am)Michael wrote Favourite..
Alexander Dennis Enviro 300NG
Alexander ALX300
B10
Wright Solar
B9
Streetlite Hybrid
Citaro
Least Favourite...
Plaxton President B7TL
Streelite Max
MPD
SPD
DAF
Cadet
All streetlites are ok the rest I agree
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - L469 YVK - 15 Sep 2015
Favourite:
- Volvo Olympian / Northern Counties Palatine 2 (D10-245)
- Volvo B9TL / Wright Eclipse Gemini 2
- DAF / VDL DB250 East Lancs / East Lancs Myllennium Lowlander
- Alexander Dennis E40D (Euro 5 onwards)
- Mercedes Benz Citaro
- Volvo B10BLE / Wright Renown
Worst:
- Alexander / Transbus Dennis Trident ALX400
- DAF SB220 / Plaxton Prestige
- Wrightbus (Cummins) / Wright Pulsar Gemini 2
- Dennis Trident / East Lancs Lowlander
- Dennis / Plaxton Super Pointer Dart
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - NK53 TKT - 15 Mar 2016
Favourites
Alexander Dennis MPD
Arriva MAX and GNE omnicities
SPD
Streetlite
All ALX's
Least Favourites
Pulsars
Versas
Solos
Arriva 4660-4664
Renowns
Solars Except 5229-5233
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Davie - 15 Mar 2016
(15 Mar 2016, 8:29 pm)NK53 TKT wrote Favourites
Streetlite
I didn't think you liked Streetlite's?
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - NK53 TKT - 16 Mar 2016
(15 Mar 2016, 8:48 pm)Davie wrote I didn't think you liked Streetlite's?
No, I like some. 5391-5394 are BAD. Arriva ones except 1583 are BAD. All others are great. The engines are like those in terms of sound as an MPD in a way
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Davie - 16 Mar 2016
(16 Mar 2016, 9:25 pm)NK53 TKT wrote No, I like some. 5391-5394 are BAD. Arriva ones except 1583 are BAD. All others are great. The engines are like those in terms of sound as an MPD in a wayApart from Arriva's 1583 and Go North East's 5376, every Streetlite I've been on has been c**p.
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - NK53 TKT - 16 Mar 2016
(16 Mar 2016, 9:31 pm)Davie wrote Apart from Arriva's 1583 and Go North East's 5376, every Streetlite I've been on has been c**p.
Ah but not as as bad as 8295 or 8311 or 8328 though
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Davie - 16 Mar 2016
(16 Mar 2016, 9:35 pm)NK53 TKT wrote Ah but not as as bad as 8295 or 8311 or 8328 though8328 is one Versa I personally like. 8306, 8316, 8318, 8320, 8324, 8329, 8334, 8335 & 8337 are the worst I've been on.
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - NK53 TKT - 16 Mar 2016
(16 Mar 2016, 9:57 pm)Davie wrote 8328 is one Versa I personally like. 8306, 8316, 8318, 8320, 8324, 8329, 8334, 8335 & 8337 are the worst I've been on.
Nope, the best Versa by far though is 5390, the worst is 8311, 8328 and 8295 (which I recently rode) and hated
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - Davie - 16 Mar 2016
(16 Mar 2016, 9:59 pm)NK53 TKT wrote Nope, the best Versa by far though is 5390, the worst is 8311, 8328 and 8295 (which I recently rode) and hatedYeah 5390 is decent. I very rarely use the Q3 (Once when 3859 was on) so I'm not sure what them Versa's are like.
RE: Favourite/least favourite Type of bus - NK53 TKT - 17 Mar 2016
(16 Mar 2016, 10:01 pm)Davie wrote Yeah 5390 is decent. I very rarely use the Q3 (Once when 3859 was on) so I'm not sure what them Versa's are like.
They are very, very bad. Sometimes smoke comes out the back. The ticket bins vibrate. The wheels catch on the body when the bus turns