(02 Jul 2022, 10:36 pm)L469 YVK wrote Only reason X70/X71/X72 got E400MMCs originally intended for the X1 pre-covid was because of the interworking patterns involving the X30/X31 which both go through a low bridge in Dusnton that needs a low height decker. That was GNE's thinking when the StreetDecks & E400MMC allocations before delivery were swapped.

But depending on any evening & Sunday interworking patterns (we should find out soon), there'd potentially only be a true need for 5x low height E400MMC at Consett (3x PVR X30/X31+ 2x spare as contingency). Options would be......

Option 1:
- 6338-45 - X30(X31)/X45 (If these interworked)
- 6346-51 - X70/X71/X72
- 6336 - Consett Spare
- 6337 - X70/X71/X72
- 8x StreetDecks to play with(??)

* Would need replacements for 6336 & 6337 at Riverside
* Would only leave 1x low height spare at Consett

Option 2:
- 6338-40 - X30/X31
- 6341-47 - X70/X71/X72
- 6348-51 - Consett spares
- 5x StreetDeck remain for X45 with 3x transferring to Washington.

* Would provide suitable spare cover at Consett (all low height) but having 4x 'nearly new' buses would be overkill

If interworking patterns (including evenings & Sundays) eliminate the need for a significant 'low height' vehicle type at Consett, I wouldn't be surprised to see a swap, with 6308-14 for the X70/X71/X72 (6334-35 also to Consett as spares) with 6343-50 heading to Riverside (incl 6351 as an X10/X21 spare) for the X21. 5x E400MMC would remain at Consett with 3x for the X30/X31 and 2x spare.

(02 Jul 2022, 10:43 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Would all of 3 transferring in Opt 2 be for the X1? Will the buses removed from the X21 PVR go on the 50?

(07 Jan 2023, 5:31 pm)Unber43 wrote Couldn't find anywhere else, but X20 Branding has been taken off X20 on GNE Website its now just red.

(07 Jan 2023, 5:57 pm)deanmachine wrote Can't see it coming back now unfortunately. Not that I ever thought it was going to.

(07 Jan 2023, 5:31 pm)Unber43 wrote Couldn't find anywhere else, but X20 Branding has been taken off X20 on GNE Website its now just red.

(08 Jan 2023, 4:39 pm)idiot wrote Green xlines on 56 last few days. Better than staff shuttle its been used on before that.

(08 Jan 2023, 5:11 pm)deanmachine wrote There's been 2 on for most of the holidays. But I agree, one of the busiest routes with a high spec new bus, almost like it should be like that.

(08 Jan 2023, 5:36 pm)Unber43 wrote Theres a lot of buses which should be upgraded. Deptford seem like a forgotton depot in recent history.

(08 Jan 2023, 8:05 pm)deanmachine wrote Just look at the 60, especially with how busy a service it is, and the buses haven't even seen paint in the past 9 years, never mind a slight refurbishment inside.

(07 Jan 2023, 5:31 pm)Unber43 wrote Couldn't find anywhere else, but X20 Branding has been taken off X20 on GNE Website its now just red.

(08 Jan 2023, 9:07 pm)Retro Nero wrote X20 now only operated between Park Lane Interchange and Doxford International....
Service 20 is staying as it is.....
Service 20A is going to interwork with service 65 in the upcoming service changes in February

(08 Jan 2023, 9:25 pm)Michael wrote I take it, the 65 brand will be dropped then and the 20A and 65 will be fleet livery.

What other changes are happening?

(08 Jan 2023, 9:25 pm)Michael wrote I take it, the 65 brand will be dropped then and the 20A and 65 will be fleet livery.

What other changes are happening?

(08 Jan 2023, 8:05 pm)deanmachine wrote Just look at the 60, especially with how busy a service it is, and the buses haven't even seen paint in the past 9 years, never mind a slight refurbishment inside.

(08 Jan 2023, 9:25 pm)Michael wrote I take it, the 65 brand will be dropped then and the 20A and 65 will be fleet livery.

What other changes are happening?

(08 Jan 2023, 10:15 pm)Andreos1 wrote All those delays due to high passenger numbers on the 65 is going to cause chaos with the 20a.

(08 Jan 2023, 9:31 pm)cbma06 wrote Service 65 could fall into the prince bishop brand, and having to wait for GNE to make a final decision on what there prepared to do with the brands, as at the moment branding will be at the bottom of the list for things to do.

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(08 Jan 2023, 10:03 pm)Unber43 wrote Tbf just rebrand 5391-5394, however I'd imagine they would still get 15 mins layover in Durham heading to Seaham and coming back heading to Sunderland. 

And 5391-5394 I believe have all had a new engine 5394 came back friday after being off for just over 5 weeks

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56/60/10/10A/10B all need new buses. 60 especially the eCitaro should be going on that. 

60 would probs be the ideal candidate for the first electrification of a Deptford route.

Next Order should be for new buses for the 4/10/10A/10B/56/21/60

Upgrading the 21 can allow those streetdecks to go onto older services e.g 47/57/58/Loops/27

(09 Jan 2023, 12:34 pm)Storx wrote There won't be any new Decker's until at least 2026, the company is dripping money. No way will they be investing in it, there's more chance of the whole thing being divested at this rate unless it turns around fast but it's still a mess with numerous cancellations daily and if my bus didn't turn up more than once I'd be looking for alternatives as I couldn't be chewed with that and nor can most other people.

The whole of GNE is a complete mess even known this was supposed to end the start of Summer 2022, end of Summer 2022, the last cuts, the cuts before that. The temporary timetables which aren't temporary at all which is just taking customers as mugs and so on. If you're going to make long term cuts least have the bottle to be honest rather than hiding behind lies.

(09 Jan 2023, 12:34 pm)Storx wrote There won't be any new Decker's until at least 2026, the company is dripping money. No way will they be investing in it, there's more chance of the whole thing being divested at this rate unless it turns around fast but it's still a mess with numerous cancellations daily and if my bus didn't turn up more than once I'd be looking for alternatives as I couldn't be chewed with that and nor can most other people.

The whole of GNE is a complete mess even known this was supposed to end the start of Summer 2022, end of Summer 2022, the last cuts, the cuts before that. The temporary timetables which aren't temporary at all which is just taking customers as mugs and so on. If you're going to make long term cuts least have the bottle to be honest rather than hiding behind lies.

(09 Jan 2023, 12:34 pm)Storx wrote There won't be any new Decker's until at least 2026, the company is dripping money. No way will they be investing in it, there's more chance of the whole thing being divested at this rate unless it turns around fast but it's still a mess with numerous cancellations daily and if my bus didn't turn up more than once I'd be looking for alternatives as I couldn't be chewed with that and nor can most other people.

The whole of GNE is a complete mess even known this was supposed to end the start of Summer 2022, end of Summer 2022, the last cuts, the cuts before that. The temporary timetables which aren't temporary at all which is just taking customers as mugs and so on. If you're going to make long term cuts least have the bottle to be honest rather than hiding behind lies.

(09 Jan 2023, 4:01 pm)Dan wrote Whenever a temporary change has been made permanent (ie X9, X22), GNE has communicated this to its customers. They aren’t ‘hiding behind lies’.


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(09 Jan 2023, 4:01 pm)Dan wrote Whenever a temporary change has been made permanent (ie X9, X22), GNE has communicated this to its customers. They aren’t ‘hiding behind lies’.


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(09 Jan 2023, 9:02 pm)Michael wrote Hopefully its not long before the 8 is back to half hourly and the 39's are back to 15 mins combined on certain parts of the routes then.


Hopefully those are part of the changes in February.

(09 Jan 2023, 12:34 pm)Storx wrote There won't be any new Decker's until at least 2026, the company is dripping money. No way will they be investing in it, there's more chance of the whole thing being divested at this rate unless it turns around fast but it's still a mess with numerous cancellations daily and if my bus didn't turn up more than once I'd be looking for alternatives as I couldn't be chewed with that and nor can most other people.

The whole of GNE is a complete mess even known this was supposed to end the start of Summer 2022, end of Summer 2022, the last cuts, the cuts before that. The temporary timetables which aren't temporary at all which is just taking customers as mugs and so on. If you're going to make long term cuts least have the bottle to be honest rather than hiding behind lies.

(09 Jan 2023, 9:53 pm)Michael wrote

(09 Jan 2023, 9:22 pm)Unber43 wrote Honestly, they should put the 39 to every 20 mins and start like a new route. 

37/38 or smthing a loop between Doxford - Pennywell - Sunderland - A690 - Thorney - Doxford  at every 20 mins. Would be worth a go, you could also run the Sunderland to Doxford Route Via John Street & Park lane (old 55 stand), and then use Stand A or smth going to Pennywell on the other loop

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Don't think they would risk areas like Thorney
Close, Grindon, Springwell etc, all Stagecoach with good passenger numbers.