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RE: Go North East Strike - morritt89 - 11 Dec 2022
Some apprentices don't hold bus licences either. Yardmen, who I believe come under the engineering department also do allocations so again that is something else someone else is going to have to do.
The union have asked drivers not to shunt buses on the strike days already.
RE: Go North East Strike - Unber43 - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 11:06 am)morritt89 wrote Some apprentices don't hold bus licences either. Yardmen, who I believe come under the engineering department also do allocations so again that is something else someone else is going to have to do.Yardmen can't even allocate the correct buses and they want a pay rise.
The union have asked drivers not to shunt buses on the strike days already.
Also apprentices will need to have drove a car for over a 1, and past their HGV test which I think GNE take on apprentices from 16/17(i think)/18 and not all of them would even have a car license it might be more than some.
RE: Go North East Strike - omnicity4659 - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 3:30 pm)Unber43 wrote Yardmen can't even allocate the correct buses and they want a pay rise.
I can't allocate the correct buses either, but I also want a pay rise.
RE: Go North East Strike - WHEATSHEAF1 - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 3:30 pm)Unber43 wrote Yardmen can't even allocate the correct buses and they want a pay rise.Why would apprentices need to have passed their car test for over a year ? Why would they need a HGV licence to drive a bus anyway. Some maintenance is carried out by semi skilled staff, any safety critical work carried out by apprentices is overseen by a mentor and checked upon completion.
Also apprentices will need to have drove a car for over a 1, and past their HGV test which I think GNE take on apprentices from 16/17(i think)/18 and not all of them would even have a car license it might be more than some.
RE: Go North East Strike - Unber43 - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 8:00 pm)WHEATSHEAF1 wrote Why would apprentices need to have passed their car test for over a year ? Why would they need a HGV licence to drive a bus anyway. Some maintenance is carried out by semi skilled staff, any safety critical work carried out by apprentices is overseen by a mentor and checked upon completion.GNE for drivers need to pass their driving test, then be driving for a year before they can apply, I don't know why it would be different for an engineer.
You need a HGV License to drive a bus, and they need the bus to drive to get it refueled and to get shunted around
RE: Go North East Strike - MurdnunoC - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 8:11 pm)Unber43 wrote GNE for drivers need to pass their driving test, then be driving for a year before they can apply, I don't know why it would be different for an engineer.
You need a HGV License to drive a bus, and they need the bus to drive to get it refueled and to get shunted around
No you don't. You can also drive a bus around on private ground without the need of a PSV licence. Some yardmen/engineers don't have PSV licences, but they're not allowed out on the road (obviously).
Would love to know where you source your information from at times. My guess is this:
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RE: Go North East Strike - Unber43 - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 8:24 pm)MurdnunoC wrote No you don't. You can also drive a bus around on private ground without the need of a PSV licence. Some yardmen/engineers don't have PSV licences, but they're not allowed out on the road (obviously).But do GNE own the land which their depots are at (genuine question)?
Would love to know where you source your information from at times. My guess is this:
RE: Go North East Strike - MurdnunoC - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 8:52 pm)Unber43 wrote But do GNE own the land which their depots are at (genuine question)?
The land is private hence why you can drive vehicles without a licence, however it doesn't have to be owned by the company in question. The Coach Park at the Metrocentre (as well as other locations) has been used in the past for potential new recruits to have a go at driving a bus (and I know of at least one person who managed to do this without any driving licence whatsoever). It was also used for people under the age of 17 to have a go at driving cars before applying for the Drivers Licence. So, as long as the land is private and permission has been granted, it is possible to drive vehicles without the appropriate road licence.
RE: Go North East Strike - Unber43 - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 9:03 pm)MurdnunoC wrote The land is private hence why you can drive vehicles without a licence, however it doesn't have to be owned by the company in question. The Coach Park at the Metrocentre (as well as other locations) has been used in the past for potential new recruits to have a go at driving a bus (and I know of at least one person who managed to do this without any driving licence whatsoever). It was also used for people under the age of 17 to have a go at driving cars before applying for the Drivers Licence. So, as long as the land is private and permission has been granted, it is possible to drive vehicles without the appropriate road licence.Thanks for the info.
Let's say this strike will be interesting, I wonder if there will be any reduction in services.
RE: Go North East Strike - R852 PRG - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 9:03 pm)MurdnunoC wrote The land is private hence why you can drive vehicles without a licence, however it doesn't have to be owned by the company in question. The Coach Park at the Metrocentre (as well as other locations) has been used in the past for potential new recruits to have a go at driving a bus (and I know of at least one person who managed to do this without any driving licence whatsoever). It was also used for people under the age of 17 to have a go at driving cars before applying for the Drivers Licence. So, as long as the land is private and permission has been granted, it is possible to drive vehicles without the appropriate road licence.
Indeed, I took 3966 for a spin when I was 15.
RE: Go North East Strike - Ambassador - 11 Dec 2022
I’m all for the worker…however, I’m not sure if this isn’t just a bored shop steward political power play by Unite with a wider focus at play that advances the prospects and aims of the union…less so their members.
They know surely GNE is not at its strongest and it’s position within a larger group is entirely irrelevant, they know increased costs further erode margins hence the recent cuts and multiple fare rises. We still don’t know the plans of the new owners, passenger number growth (weekends like the railway seem ok but hybrid is killing the commute)
I can’t help but fear the union cannot see beyond their nose at this stage….but with saga of CLS…I can see why management are to be looked at with suspicion, if not in the case of GNEs local management…despair and derision
RE: Go North East Strike - Chris 1 - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 3:30 pm)Unber43 wrote Yardmen can't even allocate the correct buses and they want a pay rise.
Also apprentices will need to have drove a car for over a 1, and past their HGV test which I think GNE take on apprentices from 16/17(i think)/18 and not all of them would even have a car license it might be more than some.
The yard men can only piss in the pot they’re given, allocations wise.
This talk about apprentices or whoever doing what - GNE aren’t going to do anything silly that puts their ops license or anyones repute at risk.
RE: Go North East Strike - itsadam - 11 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 3:30 pm)Unber43 wrote Yardmen can't even allocate the correct buses and they want a pay rise.This again. Stop worrying about what bus is going to be on what route. There's literally bigger things for them to worry about and bigger things in the world to worry about.
Also apprentices will need to have drove a car for over a 1, and past their HGV test which I think GNE take on apprentices from 16/17(i think)/18 and not all of them would even have a car license it might be more than some.
RE: Go North East Strike - Ambassador - 12 Dec 2022
(11 Dec 2022, 11:33 pm)itsadam wrote This again. Stop worrying about what bus is going to be on what route. There's literally bigger things for them to worry about and bigger things in the world to worry about.
You understand why passengers/enthusiasts have this attitude though?
They’ve spent nearly 2 decades telling us how vital Branding is to growth and marketing. They’ve conditioned people to expect a pink then a green bus on the Angel etc etc. When a business goes all out on its brand as it’s usp for 20 years…there’s a reaction, rightly or wrongly. They made the bed.
RE: Go North East Strike - citaro5284 - 12 Dec 2022
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/possible-engineering-strike-action-19-december
Go North East Strike - streetdeckfan - 12 Dec 2022
25%, are they actually having a laugh?
The correct, and only response is to tell the Union to GFY.
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RE: Go North East Strike - Unber43 - 12 Dec 2022
Its £17 an hour, they must be joking. Unite cannot be serious.
I say let the strike go ahead, if the base pay they want is £17, they'll be earning £20/25 an hour overtime some might even be earning more for overtime.
Tho I would like to know was contingency measures are in place.
RE: Go North East Strike - Andreos1 - 12 Dec 2022
(12 Dec 2022, 6:12 pm)streetdeckfan wrote 25%, are they actually having a laugh?
The correct, and only response is to tell the Union to GFY.
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Not much more per hour than a driver. Yet they're arguably far more skilled and qualified.
RE: Go North East Strike - Storx - 12 Dec 2022
Good to see GoAhead have learnt not to go to war with their staff in the public, oh well.
This won't end well for GoNorthEast now as they've pretty much declared war and the staff don't care about the company, they care about their own life instead.
RE: Go North East Strike - wibblejunior - 12 Dec 2022
GNE's O-license is apparently supposed to expire in September next year. https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/156471
If things still haven't improved by then, then it looks like it'll potentially be the end of the road for them...
RE: Go North East Strike - Andreos1 - 12 Dec 2022
(12 Dec 2022, 9:05 pm)wibblejunior wrote GNE's O-license is apparently supposed to expire in September next year. https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/156471
If things still haven't improved by then, then it looks like it'll potentially be the end of the road for them...
Never mind that. What about the transport managers at the bottom of the page? It looks like our very own Daniel has done his CPC!
RE: Go North East Strike - Rapidsnap - 12 Dec 2022
Just because the O-License is expiring next year doesn't mean jack shit. All operator licenses are like that to avoid dorment licenses for companies that are no longer operating vehicles falling off the radar with those discs being used illegally elsewhere. It's a routine thing to make sure an operation is active.
Go North East Strike - Dan - 12 Dec 2022
(12 Dec 2022, 9:16 pm)Andreos1 wrote Never mind that. What about the transport managers at the bottom of the page? It looks like our very own Daniel has done his CPC!
Keep up at the back!
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RE: Go North East Strike - Andreos1 - 12 Dec 2022
(12 Dec 2022, 9:51 pm)Dan wrote Keep up at the back!
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Hope that case study didn't cause too many problems!
Many a well laid plan has gone awry with that module.
Go North East Strike - Dan - 12 Dec 2022
(12 Dec 2022, 9:59 pm)Andreos1 wrote Hope that case study didn't cause too many problems!
Many a well laid plan has gone awry with that module.
I simply thought ‘What would Andreos say?’ throughout and I passed.
No titivation in my answers!
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RE: Go North East Strike - Andreos1 - 12 Dec 2022
(12 Dec 2022, 10:07 pm)Dan wrote I simply thought ‘What would Andreos say?’ throughout and I passed.
No titivation in my answers!
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Well there you go.
There's a moral there somewhere Daniel.
I remember walking in to my first CPC classroom all those years ago and never in all my days did I think my legacy would last.
They only took place 4 times a year then too!
RE: Go North East Strike - itsadam - 13 Dec 2022
Does anyone know what contingency measures they've put in place for this strike?
RE: Go North East Strike - Ambassador - 13 Dec 2022
Nigel and Dan with gaffer tape
RE: Go North East Strike - deanmachine - 13 Dec 2022
(13 Dec 2022, 12:21 pm)itsadam wrote Does anyone know what contingency measures they've put in place for this strike?
Don't think there's much they can do from the engineering side, park up ones that break down until they can get fixed.
RE: Go North East Strike - morritt89 - 16 Dec 2022
Strike has been called off as a new offer has been put to those affected.