(16 Feb 2023, 8:37 pm)DeltaMan wrote Taking even a small profit element out you would be looking at well over £6 per passenger!

So what is an acceptable level of per passenger subsidy irrespective of operating model?

(16 Feb 2023, 9:29 pm)DeltaMan wrote I don't disagree, but we've all seen the article about the W2 in the Chronicle about what happens when a route is at risk!

(16 Feb 2023, 9:16 am)Adrian wrote Me too, but I'm also surprised about the passenger numbers: 

"During September 2022 an average of 6 customers travelled on each of the Monday – Saturday evening trips. An average of 7 customers travelled on each of the Sunday trips."

An average of 6 or 7 per trip could be considered quite good for secured services, and in this example, that's with competition across most of the route!

(16 Feb 2023, 10:15 pm)Drifter60 wrote The other thing is with secured or tendered bus routes, Joe Public don’t have any idea that certain services are only existing because of Council funding. Particularly outside of Nexus TW area. In Durham things like 71, 25, 28/29 are DCC contracts but they operate just like any other commercially ran GNE bus. Really it should be clear where private bus operators are wholly operating services on behalf of Councils/transport executive and also which are part subsidised and the purpose of the subsidy too.

(16 Feb 2023, 10:15 pm)Drifter60 wrote The other thing is with secured or tendered bus routes, Joe Public don’t have any idea that certain services are only existing because of Council funding. Particularly outside of Nexus TW area. In Durham things like 71, 25, 28/29 are DCC contracts but they operate just like any other commercially ran GNE bus. Really it should be clear where private bus operators are wholly operating services on behalf of Councils/transport executive and also which are part subsidised and the purpose of the subsidy too.

(16 Feb 2023, 10:15 pm)Drifter60 wrote The other thing is with secured or tendered bus routes, Joe Public don’t have any idea that certain services are only existing because of Council funding. Particularly outside of Nexus TW area. In Durham things like 71, 25, 28/29 are DCC contracts but they operate just like any other commercially ran GNE bus. Really it should be clear where private bus operators are wholly operating services on behalf of Councils/transport executive and also which are part subsidised and the purpose of the subsidy too. 

(16 Feb 2023, 11:22 pm)Storx wrote See personally I'd prefer the opposite where a bus is a bus, there's one ticket and you can use it on any bus and they're all branded the same. Whether it's Stagecoach, GoNorthEast, Arriva, GCT etc is irrelevant really and complicates things and is one of the massive benefits of London.

Imo the operators would actually benefit long term if they did it aswell as they've carved their own areas up so it's not like 95% of people have any choice who to use anyway and in the places they do it's just a more frequent service like the Coast Road changes.

It's not like someone really cares it's GNE or Arriva in the real world. It would make the council services more popular imo as most of them just don't exist online and if they do they're ran by weird operators without any ticket validity.

(17 Feb 2023, 12:16 am)Andreos1 wrote And those things don't need to be too expensive either.
Whether it be a suffix/prefix ahead of the service number, indications or symbols on timetables or a display by the saloon door - there would clearly be confirmation that it's a subsidised service.

(16 Feb 2023, 10:02 pm)Adrian wrote I don't understand the argument you're making, if I'm honest! Shouldn't we treat public transport as infrastructure, just as we treat energy, water, healthcare, telecoms etc? We all rely on it, but seems to become a dirty word when we talk about spending public money on it.

I've outlined already the reasons why it's important that it exists.

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(17 Feb 2023, 10:12 am)Rob44 wrote Get the rotatable sings back in the front of buese

Go North eat

Transfare bus

Secured Service

Secured Service and transfare bus

Another job for the driver mind!

(17 Feb 2023, 10:12 am)Rob44 wrote Get the rotatable sings back in the front of buese

Go North eat

Transfare bus

Secured Service

Secured Service and transfare bus

Another job for the driver mind!

(17 Feb 2023, 1:22 pm)MurdnunoC wrote Easily an extra 50p an hour for the driver to rotate the thing. Also needs a risk assessment carried out as the driver could easily injure their hand or wrist.

(20 Feb 2023, 11:08 am)Retro Nero wrote These rotacubes signage were also displayed on the bottom blind of a double destination blind on OK buses .(PTE secured service)
They could be programmed on any destination display now ( modern technology )

(21 Feb 2023, 8:44 am)Rob44 wrote dont want them to get a wrist injury. might stop them waving at me when they leave early at Eldon square and im beggin them not to leave me there for an hour till the next one!

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Don't remember them tbh - certainly not on the 44b that i used to get to school. Good idea though can they fit any more information on those screen with bus number on the left ( or right) 69 different destinations rolling across the screen the RIP you majasty and Were hiring also..... might miss the bit about who's paying for the service to run!!!!!

(27 Mar 2023, 5:02 pm)N1cholas wrote Cant be long until the results of this consultation are released, just under 7 weeks until the changes are due to be implemented

(11 Apr 2023, 9:30 am)Michael wrote Anyone know when the results will come out?

(12 Apr 2023, 2:08 am)Dan wrote Operators now know the results and the 10-day cooling off period ends this Friday.


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(17 Apr 2023, 1:31 pm)Unber43 wrote How are TB1/14/22/23/29 saved when they get used by 1-3 people per trip, but 135/136 which is used by 5-7 on average per trip being canned.

Whatrs the new operator of 82? I saw smth interesting say GNE tickets will still be accepted i thought that stopped

(17 Apr 2023, 1:10 pm)Michael wrote Results are now out for May.

https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation

Stagecoach 8 - Changes going ahead

79 - Changes not going ahead + a change of operator
79A - Withdrawn 

81, 83, 84 and 85 - Changes going ahead

82 - Changes going ahead + change of operator

82A - Withdrawn

135/136 - Withdrawn

168 - Changes going ahead

516 - Changes going ahead

520/521 - 521 withdrawn + Increase the frequency on service 520 to improve the number of trips operating between Houghton-le-Spring Health Centre and Fencehouses - Change of operator.

594 - Changes going ahead

TB1, TB14, TB22, TB23, TB29 all saved
TB92, TB933 withdrawn

(17 Apr 2023, 5:24 pm)Aaron21 wrote Hopefully Jh Coaches have took something. Be daft to see gne get the 79/82&520 considering they are giving buses & drivers away

(17 Apr 2023, 5:37 pm)Dan wrote
Go North East clearly has a large surplus of buses and drivers, hence why they are able to loan and/or transfer them to other companies.

If Go North East has a surplus of buses and drivers, I’m sure they would be delighted to find some additional work…


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(17 Apr 2023, 5:24 pm)Aaron21 wrote Hopefully Jh Coaches have took something. Be daft to see gne get the 79/82&520 considering they are giving buses & drivers away

(17 Apr 2023, 5:40 pm)Michael wrote So why are journeys still getting cancelled, if they have a large surplus of drivers?

(17 Apr 2023, 6:04 pm)Dan wrote You can see these are isolated to Riverside only - no other depots have lost mileage for driver availability for some time now.

Every other depot is fully staffed or over-staffed.


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(17 Apr 2023, 5:42 pm)gc802002 wrote personally I hope GNE gain the 82 , it is a hole in their network!

be interesting to see if the 79 and 520 operate as is or built into the network somehow