(02 Oct 2022, 8:48 pm)Storx wrote I disagree, most punters don't care if the same old bus turns up every day but to get a pile of crap turning up after a nice shiny bus has been in place for the past couple of years is a big difference.

The ALX300's are horrible buses whatever way you want to paint it from a passenger point of view with horrific leg room.

There's a BIG difference between an ALX 400 from 2005 and an Enviro 200 MMC from 2019. This isn't comparing a Versa versus a Streetlite which are similar and are both relatively modern interior wise or a Gemini 1/2 and a Streetdeck.

(02 Oct 2022, 8:48 pm)Storx wrote I disagree, most punters don't care if the same old bus turns up every day but to get a pile of crap turning up after a nice shiny bus has been in place for the past couple of years is a big difference.

The ALX300's are horrible buses whatever way you want to paint it from a passenger point of view with horrific leg room.

There's a BIG difference between an ALX 400 from 2005 and an Enviro 200 MMC from 2019. This isn't comparing a Versa versus a Streetlite which are similar and are both relatively modern interior wise or a Gemini 1/2 and a Streetdeck.

(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 wrote I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's. 

And a drop from Streetlites to Versas is a big aswell, goes from leather seats, wood flooring high capacity to awfully discoloured interior. 

Its like if the 39/40 who are allocated brand new E400 MMC suddenly start being allocated ALX400's, no one is going to like that.

(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 wrote I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's. 

And a drop from Streetlites to Versas is a big aswell, goes from leather seats, wood flooring high capacity to awfully discoloured interior. 

Its like if the 39/40 who are allocated brand new E400 MMC suddenly start being allocated ALX400's, no one is going to like that.

(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)toward6931 wrote 400? not mean 300? the only 400s are the open toppers at Sunderland. as for leg room i dont notice much difference apart the back seats on E300s are abit tighter which the step up compared to ALX300s

(02 Oct 2022, 9:32 pm)toward6931 wrote why would SNE waste money by keeping MMCs in a depot where they were delivered to when another depot is paying fines/tolls for vehicles that aren't CAZ compliant when the simple straightforward solution is to do the swap and whenever newer vehicles do arrive look at the situation and reevaluate the situation

(02 Oct 2022, 9:23 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Tbh, on the 49/49A, the drop from Streetlites to Versas has been an upgrade! They're smoother, more comfortable, and don't have that annoying door rattle. I'd also argue they sound a lot nicer as well! The only downside was the lack of USB ports, but given they can't even charge a phone, that's not really an issue!

(02 Oct 2022, 9:44 pm)Storx wrote I did, my mistake there.


It's more about what these buses are. The right answer is they should've purchased new buses to withdraw the ALX300's. They're beyond their useful life and shouldn't be in frontline service regardless. They can't keep pulling the Covid excuse for not investing. It's becoming a bit of a trend lately and it's not just buses. The point of the LEZ isn't to swap buses around and punish other areas it's to reduce emissions.

I could understand if it was some poor depot which doesn't make money but the North East made £11m before Covid and the Newcastle depots are the ones that make the £££'s.

(02 Oct 2022, 7:45 pm)Storx wrote Personally I think the Enviro 300's should be going to Stockton, whatever this week going to Newcastle and the ALX 300's replacing the MAN Enviro 200's

An Enviro 200 MMC to an ALX 300 is a serious downgrade whatever way you want to paint it. It's literally going from the best bus in the fleet to the worst bus in the fleet from a passenger point of view. If I was a regular passenger on those routes I wouldn't be happy.

(05 Oct 2022, 11:17 pm)toward6931 wrote £50 a day for non compliant vehicles, it also reckons PCV vehicles before 2014 probably wont be compliant. thats alot of the SNE fleet


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/another-cash-cow-for-the-council-fury-as-latest-clean-air-zone-comes-into-action/ar-AA12COkl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=89eecef7f3ba4aeda7e794b9bcd60529

(06 Oct 2022, 6:55 am)54APhotography wrote It isn't. the E400s are complaint. Just the ALX and Man enviros that havent been re-engined. Sunderland won't be able to allocate 28001-17 to X24/34 but that's the only issue for them.

(07 Oct 2022, 5:01 pm)toward6931 wrote 28xxx are the 2013 gas buses arent they? is it because of capacity they cant be allocated?

(07 Oct 2022, 6:27 pm)Dan wrote The 2013 gas buses are Euro 5 whereas the 2014 ones are Euro 6.

So the 2014 gas buses can be allocated to the X24/34.


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(08 Oct 2022, 2:29 pm)F114TML wrote That's hydrogen.

(08 Oct 2022, 7:46 pm)F114TML wrote The gas buses at Sunderland are CNG.

(09 Oct 2022, 6:04 pm)F114TML wrote According to the fleet list, the 10/11 and 23 are meant to be a mix of ADL and MAN E200s. Not that that means much as I often see gas buses on the 23.

(09 Oct 2022, 6:04 pm)F114TML wrote According to the fleet list, the 10/11 and 23 are meant to be a mix of ADL and MAN E200s. Not that that means much as I often see gas buses on the 23.

(10 Oct 2022, 8:11 pm)Lollist wrote 2 more deckers arrived at stockton depot today anyone knowbif they are perm or if we getting more?

(11 Oct 2022, 6:26 am)Lollist wrote Ah ok but 1980/1 are perm though?