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RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 12 Jun 2018
(12 Jun 2018, 12:03 pm)S813 FVK wrote ScotRail 156s now do a lot more in North East than just the runs along the Tyne Valley Line up to Glasgow, see link to railforums.co.uk below:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/frequently-requested-diagrams-discussion-updates.89697/page-21#post-3472720
Thanks for signposting.
I've copied the text for future reference.
The following Northern services in the North East of England are now operated by ScotRail 156s: (Monday - Friday)
Unit 1:
1S50 06:30 Newcastle - Glasgow Central via Carlisle
Unit 2:
2N16 08:03 Carlisle - Nunthorpe
2W27 11:18 Nunthorpe - Hexham
2W30 13:57 Hexham - Newcastle
2A26 16:19 Newcastle - Morpeth
2N27 16:52 Morpeth - Carlisle
Unit 3:
1E97 16:13 Glasgow Central - Newcastle
Unit stables Heaton, then operates the following day's 1S50 06:30 Newcastle - Glasgow Central.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - pdiddy - 05 Jul 2018
156480 looks well in its new livery
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 05 Jul 2018
(05 Jul 2018, 5:11 pm)pdiddy wrote 156480 looks well in its new livery
https://mobile.twitter.com/northernassist/status/1011191446299430912?lang=en
I havent seen it in the flesh yet.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 18 Jul 2018
I am guessing, although not 100% sure, that the last timetable re-cast has seen the Middlesbrough - Whitby trains run on to and off other services now, rather than seemingly operate as stand-alone services like they often did in the past.
As an example, the ex-Whitby arr Middlesbrough 1330, now appears to form the the 1335 to Hexham.
The arrival in to Middlesbrough at 1355 forms the 1400 to Whitby (appreciate timings may be slightly out, used approximation).
Obviously this helps if you want to get or avoid certain stock.
I've never noticed this before, but happy to stand corrected that it has been like this for a longer period than I thought.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - S830OFT - 06 Feb 2019
Great News from the 16th...
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/northern-rail-strikes-suspended-following-15791382
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Malarkey - 20 Feb 2019
I forgot to mention Northern were mentioned on Look North last week regarding the withdrawal of the pacers and how this may not be done as they have no replacements on order or sourced yet, it was also mentioned it would be illegal per new legislation coming into place for them to operate come 2020.
Having had a bit of think, unsure if they'll be available once the Azumas all enter service for LNER but what about shorter units of Class 43's or have the Class 43's on Cross Country with Voyagers moving over onto Northern Rail Services.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - S830OFT - 20 Feb 2019
(20 Feb 2019, 9:37 pm)Malarkey wrote I forgot to mention Northern were mentioned on Look North last week regarding the withdrawal of the pacers and how this may not be done as they have no replacements on order or sourced yet, it was also mentioned it would be illegal per new legislation coming into place for them to operate come 2020.
Having had a bit of think, unsure if they'll be available once the Azumas all enter service for LNER but what about shorter units of Class 43's or have the Class 43's on Cross Country with Voyagers moving over onto Northern Rail Services.
VTEC could always give the 43s to ScotRail, allowing Class 156s to move North...
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - NewcastleOne - 21 Feb 2019
(20 Feb 2019, 10:42 pm)S830OFT wrote VTEC could always give the 43s to ScotRail, allowing Class 156s to move North...
•Voyagers are for long distance and are unsuitable for any northern service as there is no demand to match the costs.
ScotRail to gain to HSTs to Replace Class 156s.
Nope
The Class 156s are used on rural services and on the Glasgow-Carlisle-Newcastle service.
Once again these are barely full and Would be a waste to stick them on the existing Class 156 Services. My god
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - S813 FVK - 21 Feb 2019
Class 158s have started appearing on Tyne Valley services over the last week or so.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - 8222 - 21 Feb 2019
Have any ventured to Boro?
(21 Feb 2019, 9:12 am)S813 FVK wrote Class 158s have started appearing on Tyne Valley services over the last week or so.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Stephen James Peter Johns - 21 Feb 2019
(21 Feb 2019, 10:26 am)8222 wrote Have any ventured to Boro?Not yet as not all train crew sign them so they only appear on Tyne Valley for the moment
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RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - omnicity4659 - 21 Feb 2019
(20 Feb 2019, 9:37 pm)Malarkey wrote I forgot to mention Northern were mentioned on Look North last week regarding the withdrawal of the pacers and how this may not be done as they have no replacements on order or sourced yet, it was also mentioned it would be illegal per new legislation coming into place for them to operate come 2020.
Having had a bit of think, unsure if they'll be available once the Azumas all enter service for LNER but what about shorter units of Class 43's or have the Class 43's on Cross Country with Voyagers moving over onto Northern Rail Services.
Northern have a large amount of trains on order, with some already in the UK. I don't know where their information is from? There's also a continuing fleet cascade programme which is going to push out the Pacers.
You're being optimistic with the introduction of the Azuma, it'll be long beyond 2020 when the HSTs are freed up.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Ryland - 25 May 2019
Class 158 working between saltburn and darlington today is this going to become regular
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - NewcastleOne - 25 May 2019
(25 May 2019, 5:29 pm)Ryland wrote Class 158 working between saltburn and darlington today is this going to become regular
It’s going to be mainly Class 156s but it may be on the odd time depending on working but they are mainly to be used on D.Coast,ECML&Tyne V routings
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Jimmi - 25 May 2019
(25 May 2019, 5:29 pm)Ryland wrote Class 158 working between saltburn and darlington today is this going to become regular158845 which also saw stations along the Bishop Line including Newton Aycliffe: https://flic.kr/p/2g2jjYP
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - GNE6312 - 27 May 2019
The 9:41 Northern service from newcastle to Nunthorpe was cancelled this morning due to 142091 braking down
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 03 Jun 2019
http://www.durham.gov.uk/horden
More on Horden Station after groundbreaking last week.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 03 Aug 2019
I'd had my suspicions for a few weeks, but having seen it a short while back - can confirm.
There's at least one 158 operating on the Saltburn line.
Next departure from Saltburn.
Didnt get id as saw it from afar, but it has some sort of vinyl wrap.
Edit: it's 158860
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Jimmi - 03 Aug 2019
(03 Aug 2019, 11:43 am)Andreos1 wroteCertainly not unheard of on the Bishop - Saltburn line now, saw it myself heading to Bishop this morning but unable to ID, 156s are very common on there nowI'd had my suspicions for a few weeks, but having seen it a short while back - can confirm.
There's at least one 158 operating on the Saltburn line.
Next departure from Saltburn.
Didnt get id as saw it from afar, but it has some sort of vinyl wrap.
Edit: it's 158860
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 03 Aug 2019
(03 Aug 2019, 12:18 pm)Jimmi wrote Certainly not unheard of on the Bishop - Saltburn line now, saw it myself heading to Bishop this morning but unable to ID, 156s are very common on there now
Heard and seen plenty 156's recently - but first time I've positively id'd a 158 on the line.
A nice change to them Pacer's!
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Jimmi - 03 Aug 2019
(03 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm)Andreos1 wrote142s are better than nowt... speaking of which, various services to/from Bishop Auckland have supposedly been cancelled today due to staff shortages, some services were cancelled on this line last Sunday for same reason, fear this is going to become a trend on weekends between Darlington and Bishop [emoji19]
Heard and seen plenty 156's recently - but first time I've positively id'd a 158 on the line.
A nice change to them Pacer's!
The previously mentioned 158 was 158860
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 20 Aug 2019
All go on Teesside with the rail network.
New 'Parkway' station proposed.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 20 Sep 2019
Reports that Northern Connect won't be using ECML.
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - JM03 - 21 Sep 2019
Clocked a 321 or a 322 sitting at Heaton the other day, are these transferring to here and if so, why?
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - peter - 22 Sep 2019
(21 Sep 2019, 10:01 pm)JM03 wrote Clocked a 321 or a 322 sitting at Heaton the other day, are these transferring to here and if so, why?
They're at Heaton for warm storage because there isn't enough room at Neville Hill, so essentially withdrawn following the arrival of the new 331s in the Leeds area, but can be used in emergency or during the leaf fall timetable
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - JM03 - 09 Dec 2019
With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE and be swapped for 153 units transferred in only to be used in emergency situations
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Ryland - 09 Dec 2019
(09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am)JM03 wrote With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE and be swapped for 153 units transferred in only to be used in emergency situationsHow true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Andreos1 - 09 Dec 2019
(09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm)Ryland wrote How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them
Double 'em up?
Not a big fan of them personally, but the more stock the better imo.
Can't help thinking the 158's are wasted on the stop/start nature of the local routes and stop/start is certainly not what they were designed for.
Maybe the powers that be are anticipating future problems and feel the 153's are a decent option?
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - Michael - 10 Dec 2019
(09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am)JM03 wrote With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE
best news so far this week, about time!
RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North) - JM03 - 11 Dec 2019
(09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm)Ryland wrote How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on themWas told off Northern conductor on my train Sunday night, seems pretty legit, Id not be surprised to be hooked up with 156s and 158s when not being used, they're only going to be operated in single units when no other units are able to operate