(16 Sep 2017, 6:09 pm)2bagstew wrote Has the Scarlet Band 58A been scraped as it ran the 24 section Peterlee - Hartlepool Mon-Fri & Sat Evening.
Durham - Peterlee via Wheatley Hill & Coxhoe currently 58A what's happened too the contract.


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(16 Sep 2017, 6:09 pm)2bagstew wrote Has the Scarlet Band 58A been scraped as it ran the 24 section Peterlee - Hartlepool Mon-Fri & Sat Evening.
Durham - Peterlee via Wheatley Hill & Coxhoe currently 58A what's happened too the contract.


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(18 Sep 2017, 7:12 pm)Dan wrote A number of the contracts awarded have now been terminated. Revised contracts have been put out to tender for these services, with a starting date of January 2018.

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(18 Sep 2017, 7:20 pm)Michael wrote Which ones?

(29 Sep 2017, 6:26 pm)Michael wrote Heard from a friend that Arriva will be taking the 22/24 on commercially now, like for the night runs.

(29 Sep 2017, 6:26 pm)Michael wrote Heard from a friend that Arriva will be taking the 22/24 on commercially now, like for the night runs.

(29 Sep 2017, 6:49 pm)cbma06 wrote That's a shame , I was looking forward having GNE indigo solos on the couple journeys each direction , wonder how long Arriva keep it commercially before there announce AGAIN that it's not making profit and want the council to fund it to line there pockets!.


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(29 Sep 2017, 8:40 pm)Jimmi wrote Only confirmation I've heard is Scarlet Band have reportedly won the 7, 52/725, 70/71/72 and 115 but have lost the 104.

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(29 Sep 2017, 8:40 pm)Jimmi wrote Only confirmation I've heard is Scarlet Band have reportedly won the 7, 52/725, 70/71/72 and 115 but have lost the 104.

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(29 Sep 2017, 7:50 pm)Tom wrote What about the other tenders? I can see GNE have registered the 40 and 86 but nothing else?

(29 Sep 2017, 7:39 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote I don't think that operators should be allowed to have to option to run it commercially just because they haven't won the tender. Once they have agreed for it to go out to tender it should be awarded to the wining tender whether or not it is the operator that runs the daytime service.

(29 Sep 2017, 6:49 pm)cbma06 wrote That's a shame , I was looking forward having GNE indigo solos on the couple journeys each direction , wonder how long Arriva keep it commercially before there announce AGAIN that it's not making profit and want the council to fund it to line there pockets!.


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(01 Oct 2017, 9:14 am)Dan wrote Go North East retained most of their existing work in County Durham, so no need for things to be re-registered.

They gained the evening operation of service 14 from Stanley Travel; the daytime Cathedral Bus 40 service; Chester-le-Street local 700 services; and evening operation of the Arriva North East 22/24 and 86 services.

They have lost the contract to operate early morning and evening journeys on service 30 (to Stanley Travel), while the evening-only 704 service has also been cancelled. The 209/210 Peterlee Local Services (also covering some journeys on service 201) were also lost to Scarlet Band.


The small number of contracts which were terminated and put out to tender again included the Chester-le-Street local 700 services, X25 Mon-Sat evening and Peterlee Local Services 209/210. The existing operators (Scarlet Band and Go North East respectively) will continue to run these services until at least January next year.

Arriva North East has since also taken on the evening operation of services 22/24 commercially, meaning that this contract has also been terminated.

(01 Oct 2017, 9:41 am)Michael wrote Will Go North East tickets be accepted on the 30?

(29 Sep 2017, 8:40 pm)Jimmi wrote Only confirmation I've heard is Scarlet Band have reportedly won the 7, 52/725, 70/71/72 and 115 but have lost the 104.

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(01 Oct 2017, 9:14 am)Dan wrote Go North East retained most of their existing work in County Durham, so no need for things to be re-registered.

They gained the evening operation of service 14 from Stanley Travel; the daytime Cathedral Bus 40 service; Chester-le-Street local 700 services; and evening operation of the Arriva North East 22/24 and 86 services.

They have lost the contract to operate early morning and evening journeys on service 30 (to Stanley Travel), while the evening-only 704 service has also been cancelled. The 209/210 Peterlee Local Services (also covering some journeys on service 201) were also lost to Scarlet Band.


The small number of contracts which were terminated and put out to tender again included the Chester-le-Street local 700 services, X25 Mon-Sat evening and Peterlee Local Services 209/210. The existing operators (Scarlet Band and Go North East respectively) will continue to run these services until at least January next year.

Arriva North East has since also taken on the evening operation of services 22/24 commercially, meaning that this contract has also been terminated.

(01 Oct 2017, 1:25 pm)Tom wrote Thanks. Seems Scarlet Band have won a lot.

So I'm guessing the ones that were terminated are because of revisions to the route/timetable?

(01 Oct 2017, 1:27 pm)Dan wrote Not quite - an issue on the council's part, so those affected had to be re-issued.

(01 Oct 2017, 9:14 am)Dan wrote Go North East retained most of their existing work in County Durham, so no need for things to be re-registered.

They gained the evening operation of service 14 from Stanley Travel; the daytime Cathedral Bus 40 service; Chester-le-Street local 700 services; and evening operation of the Arriva North East 22/24 and 86 services.

They have lost the contract to operate early morning and evening journeys on service 30 (to Stanley Travel), while the evening-only 704 service has also been cancelled. The 209/210 Peterlee Local Services (also covering some journeys on service 201) were also lost to Scarlet Band.


The small number of contracts which were terminated and put out to tender again included the Chester-le-Street local 700 services, X25 Mon-Sat evening and Peterlee Local Services 209/210. The existing operators (Scarlet Band and Go North East respectively) will continue to run these services until at least January next year.

Arriva North East has since also taken on the evening operation of services 22/24 commercially, meaning that this contract has also been terminated.




This one is always going to divide opinion.

I don't think Go North East would complain about Arriva taking on the evening operation of services 22/24 commercially as it was a huge commercial risk to Arriva's daytime service by not doing so, and Go North East would have done the same if the shoe was on the other foot. They have done it in the past with the likes of service 29 in Gateshead - it gives them a competitive advantage by maintaining what is almost a monopoly on services in Gateshead.

With the recent introduction of a Sunday service by Go North East between Sunderland, Peterlee and Hartlepool, Go North East would have been providing journeys between these places early until late seven days per week, compared to Arriva whose service would have been lacking on evenings. I have no doubt that it would have resulted in a number of Arriva's customers instead purchasing a Go North East weekly/monthly ticket instead.

Although it makes a mockery of the tender process and the work which goes in from operators during the process, it represents better value to the council/local PTE if they aren't subsidising services, so they aren't going to moan too much either.

(02 Oct 2017, 12:19 pm)2bagstew wrote Has Go North East kept the 239 contract..

(02 Oct 2017, 12:26 pm)Dan wrote Yes.

(02 Oct 2017, 2:49 pm)cbma06 wrote So GNE only lost the 209/210 and some of the 201 to SB in east Durham?, will GNE taking the 209/210 commercially?, I've seen the 209/210 busy during the day.

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(02 Oct 2017, 2:51 pm)Dan wrote Yes, that's correct.

The 209/210 has gone out to tender again - Go North East could put in a cheaper bid and win next time, but unlikely. Doubt the 209/210 carry enough passengers to justify Go North East taking them on commercial. Pity, as it will mean anyone who buys weekly/monthly tickets on these services will lose out.