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RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Adrian - 01 Jan 2016
(01 Jan 2016, 9:28 pm)citaro5284 wrote The route will not be registered with a route number.
I think Lee has answered, but my point was more so with Skylink for example. Even if the route is registered as 'Skylink', the destination is not static. It flicks between showing the 'Skylink' logo and then destinations served.
e.g. 1) https://www.flickr.com/photos/128497080@N03/23473751793/in/ and 2) https://www.flickr.com/photos/128497080@N03/24074414336/in/
Photos @ Lee Calder
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - DanPicken - 01 Jan 2016
Does the Arriva 49 need changing as it shows Durham & Brandon.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - LeeCalder - 01 Jan 2016
(01 Jan 2016, 9:30 pm)DanPicken wrote With however many buses allocated.
They are allocated the general spares, which are the 'Mango' and 'Really Good' branded fleet (See attached photos). To avoid confusion, when allocated to a branded route, a card is placed in the windscreen.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 01 Jan 2016
(01 Jan 2016, 9:44 pm)LeeCalder wrote They are allocated the general spares, which are the 'Mango' and 'Really Good' branded fleet (See attached photos). To avoid confusion, when allocated to a branded route, a card is placed in the windscreen.
Its not just the unbranded routes, you have the V1/V2 for the Rushcliffe Villager and V1/V2/V3 for the normal Villager (The routes do not meet at any point). There are a few more than that, too.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - LeeCalder - 01 Jan 2016
(01 Jan 2016, 10:17 pm)S813 FVK wrote Its not just the unbranded routes, you have the V1/V2 for the Rushcliffe Villager and V1/V2/V3 for the normal Villager (The routes do not meet at any point). There are a few more than that, too.
Two very different areas though, Rushcliffe is Nottinghamshire and Derby-Burton is in Derbyshire/Staffordshire.
When I lived in Tutbury, which the Villager goes through it was simply known as the Villager until it was expanded.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Jan 2016
(01 Jan 2016, 9:31 pm)DanPicken wrote Does the Arriva 49 need changing as it shows Durham & Brandon.
It doesn't need to be changed - it's just best practice to avoid showing simultaneous destinations, rather than a regulation.
PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 02 Jan 2016
Wonder what the case is with DDA compliant destinations regarding Hunter's MPD's, particularly W363ABD.
https://flic.kr/p/rziWRL
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 11:59 am)Jimmi wrote Wonder what the case is with DDA compliant destinations regarding Hunter's MPD's, particularly W363ABD.
https://flic.kr/p/rziWRL
The legislation can be found here and the Department for Transport's guidance on the regulations here.
That vehicle would not meet PSVAR requirements, as the nearside of a vehicle has to be fitted with a 'route number display and a destination display' - ie a display capable of showing the route number and ultimate destination of a service. The display being used on the nearside of that vehicle is only capable of showing a route number, which is only acceptable on the rear of a vehicle.
As ghastly as the front display is, I would imagine that it would comply with the PSVAR regulations, although wouldn't be 'best practice', as it shows both terminal points on the display at once.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Adrian - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 11:59 am)Jimmi wrote Wonder what the case is with DDA compliant destinations regarding Hunter's MPD's, particularly W363ABD.
https://flic.kr/p/rziWRL
I haven't seen that out for a while. The last few times I've been up Stanley, it's been operated by KU52RXF instead. This is fitted with a flipdot display.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - DanPicken - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 12:05 pm)Adrian wrote I haven't seen that out for a while. The last few times I've been up Stanley, it's been operated by KU52RXF instead. This is fitted with a flipdot display.
Its not its printed out on paper or whatever it is.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 12:08 pm)DanPicken wrote Its not its printed out on paper or whatever it is.
Adrian is correct - KU52RXF does have a flipdot route number and destination display fitted. Although the photograph below doesn't depict the side display, it is indeed a route number and destination display.
![[Image: 14210944954_be237757e3.jpg]](https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5577/14210944954_be237757e3.jpg)
Hunter's of Tantobie: KU52RXF by Daniel Graham, on Flickr
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - DanPicken - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 12:09 pm)Dan wrote Adrian is correct - KU52RXF does have a flipdot route number and destination display fitted. Although the photograph below doesn't depict the side display, it is indeed a route number and destination display.
Oh, I must be thinking of another one its this one I'm thinking that of.
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![[Image: b0c3250c9eb3ce424f12df6e64ab4078.jpg]](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/02/b0c3250c9eb3ce424f12df6e64ab4078.jpg)
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 12:11 pm)DanPicken wrote Oh, I must be thinking of another one its this one I'm thinking that of.
That'll be W363ABD if it has the same display in the bus in Jimmi's photograph on this post.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 12:09 pm)Dan wrote Adrian is correct - KU52RXF does have a flipdot route number and destination display fitted. Although the photograph below doesn't depict the side display, it is indeed a route number and destination display.
Often when I see KU52RXF it is not displaying 'Flint Hill' like in Dan's photograph, it's display is usually shown like it is on W363ABD.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 12:17 pm)Jimmi wrote Often when I see KU52RXF it is not displaying 'Flint Hill' like in Dan's photograph, it's display is usually shown like it is on W363ABD.
That was an older photograph - more recent photographs of the vehicle show both terminal points:
![[Image: 12651129725_4c072aa4ba.jpg]](https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2874/12651129725_4c072aa4ba.jpg)
Hunter's of Tantobie: KU52RXF by Daniel Graham, on Flickr
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 02 Jan 2016
W363 ABD hasnt been on the 713 the last few times i have seen it.
PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 02 Jan 2016
Possibly the biggest offender when it comes to destination screens in the North East is Hodgsons Coaches, where of the four buses that are normally allocated to normal service work, three of them have no working destination equipment whatsoever whilst one MPD has a front LED screen but side number roller destination equipment.
S24 BUS - no working equipment
https://flic.kr/p/w7j3Yn
MUI 6061 - certainly no front destination equipment
https://flic.kr/p/BU1a8M
745 DUY - front screen, side roller
https://flic.kr/p/wG68G7
Believe that the other MPD they have doesn't have working equipment either.
Another concern with them is a lacking of ticketing equipment, pretty sure only the Solo has a ticket machine and according to Alex Garwood on Flickr, it doesn't appear to work. Everytime I've been on one of their buses they appear to have been noting passengers of using their services by writing it down on paper.
PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 02 Jan 2016
Well Scarlet Band certainly haven't made YJ06YRE DDA compliant, number on wrong side on front screen, side roller equipment with n destination blind in.
![[Image: 083e219b04c92bdb00e7aa3a6d855516.jpg]](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160102/083e219b04c92bdb00e7aa3a6d855516.jpg)
EDIT: NX55FFS? Side and rear rollers, no idea about front screen as it was displaying 'Sorry Not In Service'
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 2:46 pm)Jimmi wrote Well Scarlet Band certainly haven't made YJ06YRE DDA compliant, number on wrong side on front screen, side roller equipment with n destination blind in.
EDIT: NX55FFS? Side and rear rollers, no idea about front screen as it was displaying 'Sorry Not In Service'
Remember, the 'number on the right had side of the screen' is only a best if... thing - it does not make the vehicle non-DDA compliant. As for the others, you are quite right.
PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 02 Jan 2016
Weardale has Y6WMS on the 111/115 circuit today displaying 'Weardale' on the screen with pieces of paper in the window alerting passengers it's operating the 111.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 02 Jan 2016
We should make Jimmi the NEB Non-DDA bus reporter
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 3:44 pm)S813 FVK wrote We should make Jimmi the NEB Non-DDA bus reporter [emoji14]I'm already the 'most annoying' poster. Besides, making me the NEB Non-DDA bus reporter would possibly cause repercussions for your job of 'destination inspector'
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 3:56 pm)Jimmi wrote I'm already the 'most annoying' poster. Besides, making me the NEB Non-DDA bus reporter would possibly cause repercussions for your job of 'destination inspector'
That job has been stolen by the cling on corner crew
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 4:50 pm)S813 FVK wrote That job has been stolen by the cling on corner crew
Aye, that's reet enough.. Me head's battered! Haha!
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Davie - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 4:50 pm)S813 FVK wrote That job has been stolen by the cling on corner crew [emoji14]Sorry, we couldn't help stealing it. [emoji14]
(02 Jan 2016, 4:51 pm)Dan wrote Aye, that's reet enough.. Me head's battered! Haha!Just trying to keep you and Citaro busy.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Jan 2016
(02 Jan 2016, 4:53 pm)Davie wrote Just trying to keep you and Citaro busy.
Keep the depot busy - not us! Only takes us a matter of seconds to fire the e-mail off..!
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - tyresmoke - 02 Jan 2016
This might be a good time to plug the photos I've just uploaded...
Un-modified interior of a Wright Cadet - as modelled by 1915 which I took to Thorntons
![[Image: 24024322872_120363ef7d.jpg]](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1498/24024322872_120363ef7d.jpg)
Arriva North East - DAF SB120 Wright Cadet Interior by Scott Cooper, on Flickr
Modified interior of a Wright Cadet - as modelled by 1920 that I returned from Thorntons
![[Image: 24024376662_5c5bcc91b7.jpg]](https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5784/24024376662_5c5bcc91b7.jpg)
Arriva North East - DAF SB120 Wright Cadet Interior by Scott Cooper, on Flickr
The modifications you can see comparing the two pictures are:
- Tip-down seat removed on the nearside
- Wheelchair backrest moved forward using a frame
- Extra hand-rails across the windows on nearside, with upright rail removed
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - omnicity4659 - 03 Jan 2016
No doubt we'll start to see the arguments from spotters about the PSVAR/DDA regulations.
In my opinion, these regulations are the way forward to making all buses accessible for pushchairs, wheelchairs and the elderly. If the entrance to the bus is too tight, it's a struggle to get on and there will be more reasons.
I'd hate to have seen what buses would be like without these regulations to be honest.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 03 Jan 2016
(03 Jan 2016, 11:15 am)GX03 SVC wrote No doubt we'll start to see the arguments from spotters about the PSVAR/DDA regulations.
In my opinion, these regulations are the way forward to making all buses accessible for pushchairs, wheelchairs and the elderly. If the entrance to the bus is too tight, it's a struggle to get on and there will be more reasons.
I'd hate to have seen what buses would be like without these regulations to be honest.
You have done prior to the regulations coming into force?
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - omnicity4659 - 03 Jan 2016
(03 Jan 2016, 11:18 am)S813 FVK wrote You have done prior to the regulations coming into force?
Bitey as usual, Robert?
Never tried putting a pram or wheelchair onto a step-entrance vehicle.......?