(17 Apr 2022, 10:30 am)streetdeckfan wrote Imo, knocking down the upper level would be a stupid idea. At peak times both levels are completely full, where do they expect those cars to go? Especially now they've funneled all traffic down it!
Plus, I just really like the look of it.

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(17 Apr 2022, 10:30 am)streetdeckfan wrote Imo, knocking down the upper level would be a stupid idea. At peak times both levels are completely full, where do they expect those cars to go? Especially now they've funneled all traffic down it!
Plus, I just really like the look of it.

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(17 Apr 2022, 10:44 am)ne14ne1 wrote reduce the number of cars travelling through the central Newcastle & Gateshead areas, especially those making short trips that can be done by active or public transport.

(17 Apr 2022, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan wrote Let's be real, that isn't going to happen any time soon.
It's just going to make traffic worse, unless they manage to reduce traffic by at least half before they even consider knocking it down

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(17 Apr 2022, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan wrote Let's be real, that isn't going to happen any time soon.
It's just going to make traffic worse, unless they manage to reduce traffic by at least half before they even consider knocking it down

(17 Apr 2022, 11:54 am)Andreos1 wrote I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
The blocking of any sort of alternative (Eastern portion of Askew Road for a start), will render Gateshead in to even more gridlock than we see currently!

(17 Apr 2022, 1:28 pm)Adrian wrote It won't change naturally, because what you've said is likely the attitude of most private vehicle owners, but it needs to change. Car ownership isn't going to naturally decrease due to the sheer convenience (and even availability of it), therefore it's the role of policy makers in Central and Local Governments to enact the change that's required. It'll happen, no matter how many people are dragged kicking and screaming into change.


Reopening Hills Street (even temporarily) for buses only and temporarily reopening Askew Road (past the garage) would probably be the sensible option, but no matter how much notice the Council give, you'll still get all the masses of motorists trying to get into Newcastle that way, complaining about being stuck in traffic, without realising the irony that they're part of the problem.

(17 Apr 2022, 1:28 pm)Adrian wrote It won't change naturally, because what you've said is likely the attitude of most private vehicle owners, but it needs to change. Car ownership isn't going to naturally decrease due to the sheer convenience (and even availability of it), therefore it's the role of policy makers in Central and Local Governments to enact the change that's required. It'll happen, no matter how many people are dragged kicking and screaming into change.


Reopening Hills Street (even temporarily) for buses only and temporarily reopening Askew Road (past the garage) would probably be the sensible option , but no matter how much notice the Council give, you'll still get all the masses of motorists trying to get into Newcastle that way, complaining about being stuck in traffic, without realising the irony that they're part of the problem.

(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus wrote I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?

(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus wrote I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?

(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus wrote I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?

(17 Apr 2022, 9:35 pm)Andreos1 wrote I think it's something they've been encouraging for decades to be honest.
The original realignment of the A1 at the Angel in 86 was key. 

Couple the building of the Blaydon Bridge 30 odd years ago to remove the bottle neck at Scotswood and West Denton along with the eventual second tunnel (plus Testos and Silverlink improvements) and they have essentially created an Eastern bypass to go with western bypass. 

Throw in a load of white paint, traffic lights and the removal of pedestrian footbridges in various spots along Durham Road means only the brave and buses venture through that way now.

(17 Apr 2022, 11:54 am)Andreos1 wrote I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
The blocking of any sort of alternative (Eastern portion of Askew Road for a start), will render Gateshead in to even more gridlock than we see currently!

(18 Apr 2022, 10:15 am)Adrian wrote I agree it's been encouraged for decades, but planners must still see it as being vastly underused, when people still opt to short cut over the Tyne Bridge and central motorway for example. I think there was hope that the air quality restrictions would tackle some of this, but omitting private cars has put a bit of a spanner in the works here. Maybe it'll be dealt with when the original scheme is deemed insufficient, or maybe they'll look to tackle it in another way, e.g. congestion charging.

I'm a bit too young to remember the realignment in 86, but certainly there's been constant investment in the A1(M) between J61 at Bowburn and J80 at Seaton Burn for decades now. Then there's the projects on the A19 that you mention, plus the £265m or so that the expansion of the Tyne Tunnel cost into a second tunnel.

(18 Apr 2022, 10:07 am)Ambassador wrote Yeah, that’s my preferred route- occasionally get snarled up at Whitemare Pool but the traffic layout in Gateshead isn’t making me reconsider using my car, I just divert. It has absolutely put me off using a bus through Gateshead or visiting Tesco or the Vue.

(18 Apr 2022, 10:20 am)Storx wrote Imagine it will be just Charles Street / High Street West. The way it's built they should be able to keep it open from the Tyne Bridge to the Felling Bypass roundabout and at the other end I'd imagine they'll just make the roundabout two way round either way and knock it down in sections with the Durham Road traffic pushed along Prince Consort Road.

It'll be busy but won't be that bad. 

(18 Apr 2022, 10:15 am)Adrian wrote I agree it's been encouraged for decades, but planners must still see it as being vastly underused, when people still opt to short cut over the Tyne Bridge and central motorway for example. I think there was hope that the air quality restrictions would tackle some of this, but omitting private cars has put a bit of a spanner in the works here. Maybe it'll be dealt with when the original scheme is deemed insufficient, or maybe they'll look to tackle it in another way, e.g. congestion charging.

I'm a bit too young to remember the realignment in 86, but certainly there's been constant investment in the A1(M) between J61 at Bowburn and J80 at Seaton Burn for decades now. Then there's the projects on the A19 that you mention, plus the £265m or so that the expansion of the Tyne Tunnel cost into a second tunnel.

(18 Apr 2022, 10:23 am)Andreos1 wrote I personally think the Western Bypass was done on the cheap.
Absolutely no future proofing and the inevitable short term fixes, snarl ups and lack of public transport didn't help.
Then throw in the fact that going through Low Fell, was the traditional route and is shorter in distance for the majority of users. 

The works to improve and widen it at various stages between Birtley and Westerhope will hopefully be enough going forward. But I'm not convinced.

The realignment (I say 86 - it may have been a year or so earlier) works fascinated me at the time.
The idea of switching the road direction from basically 180 degrees north/south and moving it to the left a bit (along with the other works) blew my mind.

(18 Apr 2022, 1:18 pm)Adrian wrote There's even less future proofing in towns and cities, as I guess nobody foreseen the rise in popularity of the private car and ease of ownership. You've got severely limited options in town and city centre to expand highways, especially somewhere like Newcastle, which has already seen more than enough demolition for roads. 

I get the argument that the traditional route is usually shorter for most road users, but those in a private vehicle have the option to take alternative routes. Public transport generally can't, and wouldn't serve people if it did.

(18 Apr 2022, 1:43 pm)Andreos1 wrote I'm sure they knew exactly what would happen when the biggest shopping centre in Europe was being built and the numbers of people it would attract though. Ditto with the Garden Festival in 1990 and the supposed investment that was going to bring.
Coupled with the planning for places like Retail World and the growth, improvements and development of links to the airport (metro and A696) in the same time frame. 

To not factor that in, but plan for another bypass of the bypass a few years later (will see if I can find a link for that) maybe shows how limited the plans were.

Edit:

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/building-the-newcastle-western-bypass-during-1987-to-1990.1248441/

Just found this in skyscraper city.

Double edit: reference to the bypass for the western bypass in here https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1856&start=40 West via Dunston and out via Whickham.

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(19 Apr 2022, 1:02 pm)MurdnunoC wrote An opportunity to post some newspaper articles that I found in Newcastle Central Library relating to the realignment of the A167/A1 (then A69) Junction at Eighton Lodge.



And of the proposed  Gateshead Western By-Pass By-Pass which was mooted a lot later than I remember (I thought it was '87ish, before the Newcastle Western By-Pass was constructed).

(19 Apr 2022, 1:07 pm)citaro5284 wrote 27 should start be using the bus link from tomorrow.

(19 Apr 2022, 1:20 pm)Andreos1 wrote Cheers. That old A69 junction at The Angel was a lot different to how I remembered it. Trying to picture its positioning now versus the current road layout. 

And yeah, I remember the bypass for the bypass being mooted in the early 90s. Only a handful of years since the realignment of the A1 was completed.

(27 Apr 2022, 2:03 pm)omnicity4659 wrote No, any buses wishing to use the bus gate would need to drive past the old GNE depot, there's no curvature in the junction to allow turns to/from the A167 underpass.