(29 Aug 2020, 4:29 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote LIttle Question:
Other than current Newcastle termini used by GNE, where would you have buses in Newcastle terminate.
My Votes are Central Station (Neville Street) and St Thomas Street

(29 Aug 2020, 4:34 pm)Storx wrote The Q1 terminates at Central Station

I wouldn't though really, buses coming over the Tyne Bridge should terminate at the bottom end of Newcastle around Pilgrim Street imo rather than polluting through the centre but I know some disagree with that strongly.

(30 Aug 2020, 3:28 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote The X84 should come off the West Road at Slatyford Lane, follow Slatyford Lane round and go back down Silver Lonnen to re-join the West Road at The Denton, stopping at Slatyford bus depot and The Denton and then normal route to Newcastle. To Hexham, stop opposite The Denton, go up Silver Lonnen and round Slatyford Lane stopping at the depot, then re-join the West Road at the Broadwood Road stop and normal route. I have suggested this before to GNE, but no response! It seems logical. No change in PVR or journey time, minimal change in stops and route to serve passengers in Slatyford and more of Fenham. Could increase revenue at no cost! See no reason why this couldn't/shouldn't be done. Leave X85 as now, and maybe every other X84 change route for a 2-hour frequency...
A response from GNE on this would be good!

(30 Aug 2020, 3:33 pm)Storx wrote I think it's more about territories why they wouldn't do that. The West End is Stagecoach's area and they won't take it too lightly if someone started serving stops there. The X24 and X34 could easily stop at a few stops between Gateshead and Testos for example.

(03 Sep 2020, 7:40 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote I Think GNE need to make a order involving these: 
https://youtu.be/O9Gwlhw75PA

Or maybe a bus thats driveable at both ends

(03 Sep 2020, 8:03 pm)col87 wrote Was Mr Bean driving that ?    Not sure it would work here

(13 Sep 2020, 10:42 pm)Andreos1 wrote Based on my comments earlier relating to the X1, I propose the following:
Changes to stopping arrangements between Easington Lane and Shiney Row. Revisions to route around the Galleries. 

Between Easington Lane and Shiney Row, the service will operate non-stop, apart from a handful of locations which fall in to the key destination category or unique section of route.
These stops are Easington Lane Clock, Hetton Interchange, Houghton Broadway, Kingdom Hall, Grasswell, Herrington Burn and Shiney Row. 
At the Galleries, drivers will have the option of picking from the 3 possible exit routes to the A182.
Southbound trips have the option of picking from one of the two possible exit routes from the A182. Technology, driver knowledge and control can assist with the best option to take. 
It will no longer stop at Wrekenton in either direction. 

Passengers boarding at any of the stops no-longer served by the X1, will be able to use their day/week/monthly tickets or buy an 'X1+1' single/return.
This ticket allows them to board an alternative service (such as the 55, 265 or 35 in the coalfields) between their stop and one of those listed above - for no extra cost.
This will also be on offer for those affected in Wrekenton, in both directions. For example, someone travelling on a relatively short trip between Wrekenton and the Galleries, could board a frequent 56 to Springwell and pick up the X1 from there. 

Other express routes could benefit from similar arrangements. As an example, the X70 will operate non-stop between the top of Lobley Hill and Gateshead.
The X45 will no longer stop at any of the stops between Swalwell and Newcastle bar the Metrocentre.
Similar '+1' tickets will be available for those travelling to/from stops no longer served.

I estimate that these changes will save several minutes from the overall journey time and inconvenience very few people. Those few who are affected, won't be impacted financially by these changes. 

Those travelling the greater distances, will benefit from shorter journey times and a perceived 'faster' journey.

(14 Sep 2020, 9:47 am)ASX_Terranova wrote New service X2 Newcastle - Saltwell Park - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Washington Galleries -  Lambton - Harraton - Rickleton -  Chester-Le-Street - Plasworth - Frawellgate Moor - Whitesmocks  - Durham

New Services X11 & X12 Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - West Boldon - NON STOP - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee, then X11 all stops to Hartlepool & X12 all stops to Sedgefield.

New Services 923 & 924 (Peak Times Only)  Newcastle - Team Valley - Washington Galleries -  Concord (923) - Peel Retail Park (923) - Waterview Park (923) - Castletown (923) - Enterprise Park (923) - Southwick (923) - Sunderland (923) - Lambton (924) - Ayton (924) - Barley Mow (924) - Portobello (924) - Birtley (924) - Chester-Le-Street (924)

Merge 40 and 311.

New Service M1 Newcastle - Metrocentre - Swallwell - Rowlands Gill - Burnopfield - Hobson - Crookgate - Shield Row -  Stanley

(14 Sep 2020, 5:13 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Improved Service 33 Sunderland - Silksworth - Doxford Park - Doxford International

New Service 33A Sunderland - Silksworth - Doxford Park - Doxford International - The Herringtons - Newbottle - Success - Houghton-Le-Spring

New Service 33B Sunderland - Silksworth - Doxford Park - Doxford International - The Herringtons - Shiney Row - Biddick Woods - Washington Galleries.

Every 15 mins between Sunderland, Silksworth & Doxford Park, Every 30 mins between Sunderland and The Herringtons, Hourly to Washington or Houghton

(14 Sep 2020, 3:35 pm)big mac wrote How much time would really be saved by the x1 not stopping on Wrekenton High Street?  I'd say on balance it might as well just keep stopping rather than overcomplicating things for passengers with new tickets to save a couple of minutes at the most.

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(14 Sep 2020, 6:19 pm)Andreos1 wrote I reckon a good few minutes in both directions. 
Heading north, the in, stop and inevitable wait at the lights can be painful. I also think that Wrekenton is covered by more than enough alternatives. 

Heading south, a quick left at the end of the bus lane would save a few minutes too. Versus the stop and the waiting to get out at the far end of the club. That right hand turn is at the whim of a speed bump down the road, a gap in the traffic coming from the lights.

(14 Sep 2020, 6:19 pm)Andreos1 wrote I reckon a good few minutes in both directions. 
Heading north, the in, stop and inevitable wait at the lights can be painful. I also think that Wrekenton is covered by more than enough alternatives. 

Heading south, a quick left at the end of the bus lane would save a few minutes too. Versus the stop and the waiting to get out at the far end of the club. That right hand turn is at the whim of a speed bump down the road, a gap in the traffic coming from the lights.

(14 Sep 2020, 7:41 pm)big mac wrote If they did do that I think they would have to increase the frequency of the 56 at the same time, bearing in mind it's still only every 15 minutes at the moment even though the majority of services have returned to their pre-lockdown daytime frequency.

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(14 Sep 2020, 6:43 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote What about another service that avoids the entire old durham road corridor and gateshead interchange. Like old X92/X93 maybe or my earlier i1 idea.

(14 Sep 2020, 7:54 pm)Andreos1 wrote I didn't look at your i1 idea to be honest. But if there's enough demand, then I can't see why it couldn't work.

The thing about Gateshead is the connection with the likes of the X66. Not all of the punters on Newcastle bound service will be wanting to avoid Gateshead.

(14 Sep 2020, 6:19 pm)Andreos1 wrote I reckon a good few minutes in both directions. 
Heading north, the in, stop and inevitable wait at the lights can be painful. I also think that Wrekenton is covered by more than enough alternatives. 

Heading south, a quick left at the end of the bus lane would save a few minutes too. Versus the stop and the waiting to get out at the far end of the club. That right hand turn is at the whim of a speed bump down the road, a gap in the traffic coming from the lights.

(14 Sep 2020, 10:56 pm)Storx wrote X56 - Current 56 to Springwell then current X1 to Newcastle (Every 20 Minutes) Not sure on usage but if busy, have shorts on Eastern Section.

(14 Sep 2020, 10:56 pm)Storx wrote Surely the purpose of the X1 stopping at Wrekenton is to offer a link between there and Washington and the South end of the route since it's a hub where you could connect to other services to Low Fell or wherever rather than towards Newcastle?

Seriously though I don't mean this nastily but surely people can't complain about a bus service every 12 minutes from Hetton which is 17 mile away from Newcastle when there's places much closer ie. large areas of Washington without any service at all and takes the same amount of time once you've messed around changing buses.

Washington really has a crap service for the size of the place unless you don't mind getting a local bus then changing at the Galleries which to be blunt most commuters wont.

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Personally I'd look at a new loop service such as https://goo.gl/maps/qXmntQq8eBBMxA6u6 which will be a replacement for the 25, 925, 56 (Part), X1 (Part), X1A, 81, 82, 85, 86.

51 - Above Route Clockwise - Every 20 Mins
52 - Above Route Anti Clockwise - Every 20 Mins
-> Combined Every 10 Mins Sheriff Hill

Then do the following changes

X56 - Current 56 to Springwell then current X1 to Newcastle (Every 20 Minutes) Not sure on usage but if busy, have shorts on Eastern Section.
X1 - Current X1 Easington Lane to Washington then A1231, Eighton Banks (Serve Here), Wrekenton, current X1 to Newcastle (Every 15/20 Minutes - Not sure on popularity)
21A - Extend 2 of the 21 shorts 25 Route south of Chester Le Street (Every 30 Minutes)
80 - Current 82 Birtley to Washington, 83 To Concord (Every 30 Minutes Washington to Concord, Hourly to Birtley)
81 - 84 (Every 30 Minutes)

Creates all sorts of new connections from Washington to Newcastle and Gateshead without changing and makes the 56 quicker from Concord and Sunderland at the same time and fixes the stupid 925 issue.

(15 Sep 2020, 8:22 am)big mac wrote There should be a short service serving Old Durham Road as it's much the same issue as the 21 on Durham Road at the moment.
You've got a corridor that is too reliant on a long route subject to potentially loads of different delays along the way.
On Durham Road it's a bit better than before now that more 21s are Newcastle to Chester only, and you've got the X21 supplementing it for people are traveling further.
Old Durham Road and the 56 should follow a similar model, perhaps more like the "old days" when they had a high frequency Newcastle to Springwell Estate route.  Although this seems to be something GNE just do not do nowadays.

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(15 Sep 2020, 9:32 am)Andreos1 wrote I agree about your comments on Washington, however the purpose of the X1 is to provide more than just a bus from Hetton to Newcastle. It's the sort out route which is core to the current GNE operating model in that it crosses through several hubs and sees a significant number of people (I do think it could be more) who do commute towards Tyneside. 

However, I don't think Wrekenton forms one of those hubs. Granted some will use it to change buses, but I reckon others will use a formal interchange facility which provides better facilities and a roof. 

The problem with the X1 as it stands, is that it's used as a local service in the coalfields. If you're in Easington Lane and needing to get to the shops in Hetton, punters will get the X1 or 55. If the 55 isn't reaching its potential financially in this section, then the X1 could be one reason why.
For those commuting further afield from the coalfields, there's very little incentive to use the X1 as it stands due to the cost and journey times. 
Add the fact that it's just as quick to get a metro from Newcastle and a 4 to the Galleries as it is to get an X1 all the way, confirms that the northern portion isn't the fastest either - despite the bus priority measures coming out of Newcastle and up Old Durham Road. 

I like your suggestion about using Eighton Banks. I don't think the residents would though. They complained bitterly when it went that way for a short period in the past.

(15 Sep 2020, 10:26 am)Storx wrote Yeah understand that then makes sense, maybe one way to possibly speed it up is to have the local service ie the 55 try to be pushed a bit more to try and get people who do local journeys on there. Possibly even change the 55 around a bit and have a route Houghton to Peterlee (every 30 mins) extended to Wingate every hour. Then a second service from South Hetton to Sunderland also every 30 minutes with a core service of every 15 minutes through the centre between Hetton and Houghton to try and promote local journeys on the more frequent 55 and 55A (or whatever number) so the X1 can be more express and not stop as much for those wanting to go all the way through to Newcastle or wherever. It's still 7 buses an hour just trying to push people onto the opposite service rather than the X1 being the main local service.

Try and train people to think of the sense of right the 55 is the frequent service to Houghton and also to Sunderland, the X1 is the service for Washington and Newcastle rather than the 55 is the bus to Sunderland and the X1 is the service for everywhere else.

(15 Sep 2020, 10:45 am)deanmachine wrote The 55 is a problem between Houghton and Easington Lane, despite it going the exact same way as the X1 a lot of people don't seem to care and let it go past. You see it quite often, a 55 sitting at Houghton Church heading towards Peterlee, with some people waiting at the stop, the 55 pulls away, and an X1 pulls and the people get on that. Personally seems mad to me, even with the new Streetdecks being introduced, but I see that on multiple routes across the North East, people only ever seem to get on the frequent service, even when a less frequent service goes the same way.

(15 Sep 2020, 10:45 am)deanmachine wrote The 55 is a problem between Houghton and Easington Lane, despite it going the exact same way as the X1 a lot of people don't seem to care and let it go past. You see it quite often, a 55 sitting at Houghton Church heading towards Peterlee, with some people waiting at the stop, the 55 pulls away, and an X1 pulls and the people get on that. Personally seems mad to me, even with the new Streetdecks being introduced, but I see that on multiple routes across the North East, people only ever seem to get on the frequent service, even when a less frequent service goes the same way.