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RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Michael - 03 Jan 2018 (03 Jan 2018, 3:52 pm)Jimmi wrote Here's the info on service changs as I'm sure everyone wants to know them. Thanks Jimmi, i couldn't get it to copy and paste from the email on my phone.... ![]() Wonder if service 73 will move from stand S to R in Park Lane, that leaves stands S-V empty for drop offs. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Panasonic44 - 03 Jan 2018 [Crusader 27 and new Crusader service 26 There will be more journeys to Newcastle, with buses between Newcastle and Jarrow now running up to every 10 minutes on Monday-Saturday daytimes, and every 15 minutes on Sunday daytimes. Journeys will continue to run every 30 minutes on evenings. Between Jarrow and South Shields, journeys will run every 20 minutes as service 27 on the current route via Tyne Dock, and every 20 minutes as service 26 via Primrose, South Leam and South Tyneside Hospital, replacing this section of services 88 and 88A. This offers new direct connections to Newcastle from areas such as York Avenue, Primrose and South Leam. In Jarrow Bus Station, services 26 and 27 will use stand E towards Newcastle. Service 26 towards South Shields will use stand A, with service 27 towards South Shields using stand C.] Jarrow Stand A 26 should be with 27 @ stand C not to confuse people. Anyword about Ticket prices and what services included? because they will need New Day & Weekly Ticket South Tyneside & Crusader? [New Service H1 New service H1 will provide direct connections between Hebburn and South Tyneside Hospital between approximately 9.30am and 2.30pm.] This service will not last for long due to 2:30pm end time esp with Hosptial Visting times in Afternoon 2 to 4pm and 7-8pm would have been better to end it at 8:30pm. It should be 9am to 8:30pm non stop Hourly, serving Shields Town Centre, Hospital, Jarrow Bus Station and Hebburn Town Centre only. That would get more people using it? I think GNE may choose omnicity as stand in for 6 months if not they should use Solo bus. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Andreos1 - 03 Jan 2018 (03 Jan 2018, 3:52 pm)Jimmi wrote Here's the info on service changs as I'm sure everyone wants to know them. I find that H1 service almost laughable. I assume STH visiting times don't extend beyond mid-afternoon? I am curious to see where the vehicle/driver allocated to the 95/64 will end up? Sent home early, or possibly sent to cover the current lilac Versa peak-working from TVTE? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Dan - 03 Jan 2018 (03 Jan 2018, 7:44 pm)Andreos1 wrote I find that H1 service almost laughable. I assume STH visiting times don't extend beyond mid-afternoon? Of course; you'd also be assuming that there's a high demand for a direct service to the hospital from Hebburn, too, if you're suggesting that the current service level is better (or not as 'laughable'), providing a direct link between these two locations all day long. I wonder what Go North East's ticket data would suggest? I would assume it suggests there isn't such a high demand, or they wouldn't be changing the services as they stand? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Michael - 03 Jan 2018 [New Service H1 New service H1 will provide direct connections between Hebburn and South Tyneside Hospital between approximately 9.30am and 2.30pm.] This service will not last for long due to 2:30pm end time esp with Hosptial Visting times in Afternoon 2 to 4pm and 7-8pm would have been better to end it at 8:30pm. It should be 9am to 8:30pm non stop Hourly, serving Shields Town Centre, Hospital, Jarrow Bus Station and Hebburn Town Centre only. That would get more people using it? I think GNE may choose omnicity as stand in for 6 months if not they should use Solo bus. [/quote] H1 is going to be operated by Deptford, probables be a Solo or a Scania. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Northern4555 - 03 Jan 2018 (03 Jan 2018, 7:41 pm)Panasonic44 wrote [Crusader 27 and new Crusader service 26 Sorry but this trial H1 service is deliberately set up to fail after 6 months.just wondering if this service was GNE's attempt at appeasement ,because south Tyneside is going to suffer service cuts,laid out to look like improvement. I.e. the 88/88A they say ,suffer badly to timetable,but the new 26 from jarrow is following the same route to south shields,so how can this service be an improvement on the current one, especially as the 26 has the delays of going to Newcastle added into the equation,where is the timetabled improvements.i think the 88/88A problems were the lindisfarne road expansion over last 15 month or so, and as it is now running better, the 88/88A would more than likely have improved if left alone. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Andreos1 - 03 Jan 2018 (03 Jan 2018, 7:56 pm)Dan wrote Of course; you'd also be assuming that there's a high demand for a direct service to the hospital from Hebburn, too, if you're suggesting that the current service level is better (or not as 'laughable'), providing a direct link between these two locations all day long. When Kickstart was giving support to the new services and Partnerships were launched, https://www.nexus.org.uk/news/item/south-tyneside-better-bus-network-launched it would be easy to assume that improvements would be made and maintained. Particularly with services that provided a social need. Whilst I appreciate the 88 may have suffered with reliability over the last however many months, I wouldn't have guessed it would have caused so much damage that the service was no longer viable. Particularly one which has hundreds of people going in and out of the hospital building it passes on a daily basis - both before and after this H1 starts and finishes for the day. Indeed, the excuses regarding reliability have been trotted out (despite the works at Lindisfarne being completed for a number of months), rather than any references to viability (as seen in the extract Jimmi provided regarding the 64/95). It also looks like the H1 service is designed around scholars contracts (correct me if I am wrong). Changes to suit GNE's agenda or one to accomodate passenger requirements? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Andreos1 - 03 Jan 2018 (03 Jan 2018, 8:59 pm)Andreos1 wrote When Kickstart was giving support and Partnerships were launched, https://www.nexus.org.uk/news/item/south-tyneside-better-bus-network-launched it would be easy to assume that improvements would be made and maintained. Particularly with services that provided a social need. One of the things I was wondering about when reading about the changes to the 88 and introduction to the H1, was the extent GNE went to, to analyse customer demand/trends. What reasons are there for the service to be changed? What have they done to create a positive change to those customers. Stumbled across these links: https://www.nexus.org.uk/news/item/improved-bus-routes-south-tyneside-sunday-31-july So in this article, there seems to be a demand or requirement for a service to the hospital. In this fairly recent article, visitors to the hospital are critical of public transport to the hospital https://www.healthwatchsouthtyneside.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Jarrow__Hebburn_Transport_Experience_to_STDH.pdf This article/review/audit is a few years older. http://www.southtynesideccg.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/South-Tyneside-District-Hospital-Travel-transport-and-accessibility-review-080914.pdf RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - S813 FVK - 04 Jan 2018 Looks like we are finally starting to get somewhere regarding the details of the changes being officially published - the new timetables are being uploaded to the site. The new 9 branding is certainly something... RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Malarkey - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 2:12 pm)S813 FVK wrote Looks like we are finally starting to get somewhere regarding the details of the changes being officially published - the new timetables are being uploaded to the site. Should've went with the brand that they had planned when the former silver mercs (5320-5324) were on the 61 a few years back, sure there was an image of it uploaded somewhere. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - V514DFT - 04 Jan 2018 it'll finially be nice to get a branded route coming back through the tunnel again to since the days of the purple solars branded 'nine' RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - S813 FVK - 04 Jan 2018 Currently finding it weird how all M6/M7/M8s from Metrocentre after the 16:24 M8 appear to terminate at Tanfield Lea. Mistake or done to reduce dead mileage due to not many people travelling to Stanley on those services? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - citaro5284 - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 4:38 pm)S813 FVK wrote Currently finding it weird how all M6/M7/M8s from Metrocentre after the 16:24 M8 appear to terminate at Tanfield Lea. Mistake or done to reduce dead mileage due to not many people travelling to Stanley on those services? I reckon a typo, as they are leaving the Bus Station heading to the Metrocentre. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - S813 FVK - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 4:52 pm)citaro5284 wrote I reckon a typo, as they are leaving the Bus Station heading to the Metrocentre. Thought it was a bit odd, cheers! RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Michael - 04 Jan 2018 Looks like the 9 will interwork with another service on a night? Example arriving from Grangetown ends at 1727, then the next 9 towards Jarrow etc is 1738, unless they'll be 2 separate buses? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Northern4555 - 04 Jan 2018 (03 Jan 2018, 7:37 pm)Michael wrote Thanks Jimmi, i couldn't get it to copy and paste from the email on my phone.... (04 Jan 2018, 3:32 pm)Malarkey wrote Should've went with the brand that they had planned when the former silver mercs (5320-5324) were on the 61 a few years back, sure there was an image of it uploaded somewhere. Still waiting to see the new south Tyneside timetables RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Malarkey - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 7:13 pm)Northern4555 wrote Still waiting to see the new south Tyneside timetables There on the GNE Website, just type the service number in the search bar RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - S813 FVK - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 7:16 pm)Malarkey wrote There on the GNE Website, just type the service number in the search bar Just to add, for anyone looking for the H1 timetable, it is on the 88/88A tabs RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Michael - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 7:32 pm)S813 FVK wrote Just to add, for anyone looking for the H1 timetable, it is on the 88/88A tabs What a pointless timetable........ same as the 64 and 95... RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Ds1197 - 04 Jan 2018 Will Percy Main run the evening and Sunday shorts on the 5 between Jarrow and North Shields RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - S813 FVK - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 8:21 pm)Ds1197 wrote Will Percy Main run the evening and Sunday shorts on the 5 between Jarrow and North Shields Looking like the bus will do South Shields - North Shields - Jarrow - North Shields - South Shields so i'm guessing it will be Washington. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Northern4555 - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 7:16 pm)Malarkey wrote There on the GNE Website, just type the service number in the search bar Thank you RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Northern4555 - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 7:37 pm)Michael wrote What a pointless timetable........ same as the 64 and 95... As well as pointless it is absolutely disgraceful.starts around 9am to 2.30 pm 3 full runs and 2 part runs, is as much use as a bus with square wheels . 1st bus starts blackett st jarrow, also by passes jarrow bus station,what is that about,deliberately keeping this service away from 26/27 routes as much as possible.hospital visiting times go on to 8pm so why curtail a hospital bus in mid afternoon. If ever I saw a bus route set up to fail this is it.Gne want to be ashamed of treating their customers in this way. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Crusader - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 8:50 pm)Northern4555 wrote As well as pointless it is absolutely disgraceful.starts around 9am to 2.30 pm 3 full runs and 2 part runs, is as much use as a bus with square wheels . 1st bus starts blackett st jarrow, also by passes jarrow bus station,what is that about,deliberately keeping this service away from 26/27 routes as much as possible.hospital visiting times go on to 8pm so why curtail a hospital bus in mid afternoon. If ever I saw a bus route set up to fail this is it.Gne want to be ashamed of treating their customers in this way. I’m guessing the service has been put on to keep direct links to the Hospital from parts of the 88 which would lose it with the new 26. So why would it serve Jarrow bus station? If the point of the service is to go to the Hospital then it doesn’t need to serve Jarrow. A 2.30pm finish isn’t any good for visitors. But maybe this bus is for patients? Anyone going to a outpatient appointment might be a bit poorly and needs the direct bus. Visitors are more likely to be able to change buses in jarrow? I’m sure Go North East don’t deliberately aim to annoy their customers...that wouldn’t be very good business! RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Northern4555 - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 9:00 pm)Crusader wrote I’m guessing the service has been put on to keep direct links to the Hospital from parts of the 88 which would lose it with the new 26. So why would it serve Jarrow bus station? If the point of the service is to go to the Hospital then it doesn’t need to serve Jarrow. Going back to approx 2009 and the 88/88a was bus route 16 from lukeslane following 88 route to jarrow.it then went direct to Tyne dock upto hospital,Harmon nook horsey hill marsden inn coast rd tofairground onto market.this route was a reasonable route covering areas in Hebburn jarrow southshields and even the chance for a visit to the sea front without the long walk for many struggling to just get out.this bus stopped running past nook at approx 5-6 pm terminating on the housing estate next to hospital.then from approx 9.30pm it only ran jarrow bus station to Luke's lane for rest of the eveni (04 Jan 2018, 9:27 pm)Northern4555 wrote Going back to approx 2009 and the 88/88a was bus route 16 from lukeslane following 88 route to jarrow.it then went direct to Tyne dock upto hospital,Harmon nook horsey hill marsden inn coast rd tofairground onto market.this route was a reasonable route covering areas in Hebburn jarrow southshields and even the chance for a visit to the sea front without the long walk for many struggling to just get out.this bus stopped running past nook at approx 5-6 pm terminating on the housing estate next to hospital.then from approx 9.30pm it only ran jarrow bus station to Luke's lane for rest of the eveni The old 16 was very popular with passengers,but GNE changed it saying it was again lack of numbers.this route still exists in part as nexus 516 from hospital running old route back to market.surely a link up with that route paid by nexus on tender I agree,to the full 16 route reinstated would be better than this H1 is going to be,and 26 I'm not sure about the delays on this service as we see on 27 now a various times.just saying I think there are better options about. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Ds1197 - 04 Jan 2018 The old 16 was very popular with passengers,but GNE changed it saying it was again lack of numbers.this route still exists in part as nexus 516 from hospital running old route back to market.surely a link up with that route paid by nexus on tender I agree,to the full 16 route reinstated would be better than this H1 is going to be,and 26 I'm not sure about the delays on this service as we see on 27 now a various times.just saying I think there are better options about. Even though I think this is basically the route the 16 took but I think it would of made more sense to extend the 516 to Luke's lane instead of creating the trail service of H1 RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - Northern4555 - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 10:20 pm)Ds1197 wrote The old 16 was very popular with passengers,but GNE changed it saying it was again lack of numbers.this route still exists in part as nexus 516 from hospital running old route back to market.surely a link up with that route paid by nexus on tender I agree,to the full 16 route reinstated would be better than this H1 is going to be,and 26 I'm not sure about the delays on this service as we see on 27 now a various times.just saying I think there are better options about. You should be a GNE route planner,makes perfect sense RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - S813 FVK - 04 Jan 2018 (04 Jan 2018, 10:32 pm)Northern4555 wrote You should be a GNE route planner,makes perfect sense ...until the statistics not publicly available are brought into it. Might not make as much sense then (not that I have seen the stats - just raising the point) RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - L469 YVK - 04 Jan 2018 The 21:23 S/Shields to Jarrow journey on the 26 is missing from the Mon-Fri times but on the Saturday / Sunday timetable. Also, the evening journeys on the 26 seem to connect at Jarrow bus station with the 27. Could GNE not sell through fares for these journeys considering that they get the full link during the day? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes v2 - MrBoyt - 04 Jan 2018 I wonder how many Lukes Lane residents will buy tickets on the 9 all the way to Boldon Asda from the estate and spend an unnecessary 30 minutes riding through Jarrow, rather than taking a 5 minute walk across Monkton Burn and down Roman Road to get on at the bottom of York Avenue... My guess is - Quite a few |